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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/23 13:24:33 (permalink)
Hit the button in the upper right hand corner and select "full version"


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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/23 14:54:20 (permalink)
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Hit the button in the upper right hand corner and select "full version"


Jacob, as said a couple times previously, it would be really nice if the full version had the ability to detect if you are using a mobile device and give an easy way to go back to mobile.  As it is now, once you switch from mobile to full on a mobile device, it is hard to go back to mobile.
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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/23 15:46:40 (permalink)
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Jacob, as said a couple times previously, it would be really nice if the full version had the ability to detect if you are using a mobile device and give an easy way to go back to mobile.  As it is now, once you switch from mobile to full on a mobile device, it is hard to go back to mobile.



The forum uses user agent detection. In the long run, it's the most efficient way of doing mobile/desktop detection. It has the downside of being difficult to switch back and forth by design, and of course it's trivial to spoof user agent so it's not full-proof. That's actually how you switch back and forth, the forum itself spoofs your user agent to the forum. Of course, if the forum thinks you're in full desktop mode, you have no reason to see mobile, otherwise everyone would have the mobile button in desktop mode.
 
If you set it up this way, you should make it so a mobile user really won't have the desire to switch back and forth. Hopefully with future updates.
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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/23 15:57:24 (permalink)
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Jacob, as said a couple times previously, it would be really nice if the full version had the ability to detect if you are using a mobile device and give an easy way to go back to mobile.  As it is now, once you switch from mobile to full on a mobile device, it is hard to go back to mobile.



The forum uses user agent detection. In the long run, it's the most efficient way of doing mobile/desktop detection. It has the downside of being difficult to switch back and forth by design, and of course it's trivial to spoof user agent so it's not full-proof.

 
I know.
 

That's actually how you switch back and forth, the forum itself spoofs your user agent to the forum.

 
That's not correct.  The forum still knows your proper user agent even when you chose the full version on the mobile device.  It uses cookies to remember that you did not want to see the mobile version.   It does not spoof your user agent at all.
 

Of course, if the forum thinks you're in full desktop mode, you have no reason to see mobile, otherwise everyone would have the mobile button in desktop mode.

 
That's not correct.  The full version still knows if you are or are not using a mobile device and can be programmed to only show the mobile link if you are using a mobile device.
 

If you set it up this way, you should make it so a mobile user really won't have the desire to switch back and forth. Hopefully with future updates.



This is a matter of opinion.  Not every mobile user will be happy with the mobile version no matter how perfect the mobile version is.
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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/23 16:16:54 (permalink)
I saw somewhere some mention of some folk not liking the OP Avatar showing in front of a thread title in each section. I found it useful actually I was looking for a thread but couldn't recall the title so wasn't finding it that way, so I skipped to pages with dates around when the thread was made then scrolled watching for the avatar and found the thread quite fast. I know there's online and offline avatars but the mind generally takes in the recognises images associating avatars with names instead of faces.
 
So perhaps I'm one of the few that don't mind that feature to the new look forum. I also don't find the classic V2 skin too bright.

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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/23 18:35:41 (permalink)
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That's not correct.  The forum still knows your proper user agent even when you chose the full version on the mobile device.  It uses cookies to remember that you did not want to see the mobile version.   It does not spoof your user agent at all.
 



Yes it is, I've seen the source... This version of the forums was under development during my tenure.

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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/23 19:16:32 (permalink)
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That's not correct.  The forum still knows your proper user agent even when you chose the full version on the mobile device.  It uses cookies to remember that you did not want to see the mobile version.   It does not spoof your user agent at all.
 



Yes it is, I've seen the source... This version of the forums was under development during my tenure.



Pardon my bluntness to follow...
EDIT:  And pardon me for being rude and saying you were wrong when I assumed that EVGA wouldn't possibly allow such a poor decision to be made.
 
That is the stupidest design decision I have ever heard.  It appears I put far too much faith in EVGA's ability to make good decisions on such matters.  Every other website on the planet uses cookies, query strings, or session data to remember the users' choices.  They don't cripple their ability to detect a users' devices.  That is just completely retarded.  You should never purposely introduce false data into your design.  If you have to introduce false data to accomplish a task, you are obviously doing it wrong.  EVGA should bang on ASPplayground's door and ask them what kind of stunt they are trying to pull.
 
I would like to also ask again why EVGA decided to stay with ASP.NET instead of using a different platform not woefully dependent on Microsoft and licensing costs.  Linux based servers are arguably the best and 80,000,000 websites can't be wrong in choosing PHP compared to ASP.NET's 180,000 websites.
 
All this aside, I am very proud of EVGA for choosing a board so heavily focused on asynchronous data transactions.  It really was an excellent choice for a board so popular to limit bandwidth usage by relying heavily on efficiently using asynchronous data transactions.  It's real neat to see that so many queries can be limited to an as-needed basis depending on what information the user wants to explore further rather than just throwing it all out on the page automatically when not necessarily needed.
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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/24 07:05:09 (permalink)
What Happen to the Date and Time of a Post, all I see now is "hours ago"
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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/24 07:26:20 (permalink)
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What Happen to the Data and Time of a Post, all I see now is "hours ago"


Yeah, that is an interesting issue, isn't it? Old threads with no recent activity display date and time of posts but any thread which has received activity since the board transition has updated all of its' posts' dates to the vague approximate time. I don't see the option in the user control panel to change this behavior either.

I would think '15 minutes ago' or 'about an hour ago' would be fine for new posts, but I think it is not fine that some posts show '3 weeks ago' because that doesn't narrow it down at all to a particular day or time of day. Maybe the board could only show vague times up to 12 hours maximum and then switch over to converting the Unix Timestamp into an actual date and time instead of interpreting it as a vague approximated time.

I am worried that I see some posts from 3 weeks ago displayed as '3 weeks ago' and others say '9-3-2013'. This is a bad sign which indicates that the timestamp of the post might be somehow being converted in the database to a vague calculation method which isn't good. Either that, or the database stores the timestamp and displayed/calculated time separately which doesn't make much sense to me.
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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/24 07:33:15 (permalink)
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That is the stupidest design decision I have ever heard. 



Well... As I said it has its limitations, but it also has many benefits. Typically speaking, your average user doesn't switch back and forth. In fact, analytics suggest it's normally a statistical anomaly. Many websites use this trick, heck even Google and Apple do...
 
As for ASP.NET, I would only have a problem if I noticed a performance issue... which I don't. Any slow connections are mostly due to the fact that EVGA only has a single server location in SoCal. If they had CDN hosting, I doubt anyone would even care that they used ASP.NET other than M$ haters.

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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/24 07:56:20 (permalink)
Would you not agree that Linux servers are better than Microsoft servers? Would you not agree that PHP is at least as good as ASP.NET? I am not a MS hater, but I just don't understand these decisions because it ends up costing EVGA more money to operate a website in an inferior server environment.

Regarding introducing fake user agents into the code to accomplish this sort of task, I have a real hard time believing that either Google or Apple use this same method. I think they are far smarter. Can you give me some proof or explain why it is better to fake a user agent and cripple your user agent detection methodology rather than simply referring to cookies, query strings, or session data?

EDIT: Full working explaination and demonstration created by me: http://open-web-community.com/index.php?source=mobile_detection.php&table=projects
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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/24 14:39:06 (permalink)
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Hit the button in the upper right hand corner and select "full version"


I'm in Full Version on my iPad but still don't see any of the user stats or sigs.
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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/24 17:28:54 (permalink)
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Would you not agree that Linux servers are better than Microsoft servers? Would you not agree that PHP is at least as good as ASP.NET? I am not a MS hater, but I just don't understand these decisions because it ends up costing EVGA more money to operate a website in an inferior server environment.

Regarding introducing fake user agents into the code to accomplish this sort of task, I have a real hard time believing that either Google or Apple use this same method. I think they are far smarter. Can you give me some proof or explain why it is better to fake a user agent and cripple your user agent detection methodology rather than simply referring to cookies, query strings, or session data?

In PHP:
<?php

// initialize user agent to null value
$session['this_agent'] = '';
// then find user agent
if(isset($_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT']))
{
$session['this_agent'] = $_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'];
}
else
{
$session['this_agent'] = 'unknown';
}

session_start();
$_SESSION['agent'] = $session['this_agent'];

// list out mobile user agents you want to behave as mobile devices here
$mobile_devices = 'SOME_LIST';

// check if this agent is in list of mobile agents
If (strpos($mobile_devices,$_SESSION['agent']) !== false)
{
$_SESSION['mobile'] = 1;
}

// initialize default to mobile if mobile device found
If (($_SESSION['mobile'] == 1) AND ($_SESSION['nomobile'] != 1))
{
$_SESSION['nomobile'] = 0;
}
// look for nomobile selection
If ($_GET['nomobile'])
{
$_SESSION['nomobile'] = 1;
}
?>

...

Then, as long as the agent is not NULL or 'unknown' you process the agent to determine which style to deliver to the user. A GET operation looks for nomobile in the URL query string to determine mobile display behavior and save the user's preference in a session variable. If mobile equals 1 and nomobile equals 0, display mobile. If mobile equals 0, display full version by default. If mobile equals 1 and nomobile equals 1, you know that it is a mobile device wishing to display full version.

Edit: of course my code above is an imperfect quick and dirty example. But if you don't understand, the point is that the actual user agent should be stored as a separate variable from the variable which decides whether or not the mobile view is displayed. You shouldn't alter the original correct user agent variable. This way, even when viewing the full version, the server knows whether or not the user is using a mobile device and can display a link back to the mobile version if a mobile device is detected.



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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/24 18:06:42 (permalink)
Huh?

All I am saying is the full version should be able to have a link back to the mobile version if you use a mobile device. If the correct user agent is being spoofed, I am sure you can appreciate when I say that is not a good method. Why would you want to purposely insert false data into your system?

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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/24 18:38:53 (permalink)
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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/24 19:36:04 (permalink)
Have not looked to see if anyone else has reported this, but at times I will click the button for smilies and they don't open up. Using Firefox web browser.
 

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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/24 22:20:59 (permalink)
Hopefully a full to mobile view will be added soon.  Looking at the full version on my smart phone is tedious with so much forum real estate being put into such a small space.  Zoom-in, zoom-out, etc.  Everything else is great.
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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/25 05:09:16 (permalink)
There is a mobile view already available. It's just hard to find if you are using a mobile device and viewing the full version.

http://forums.evga.com/m/forums.aspx
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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/25 05:20:58 (permalink)
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Hit the button in the upper right hand corner and select "full version"


I'm in Full Version on my iPad but still don't see any of the user stats or sigs.


From what I have experienced, the full version on a mobile device is the compact version (or whatever EVGA calls it) on a desktop computer. There does not seem to be an option to turn on signatures in the full version on a mobile device.
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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/25 05:24:16 (permalink)
To EVGA Re Mobile

I would not switch back and forth between mobile and full if mobile had a couple more features. I like typing in mobile, but I like navigating in full. The mobile version needs the ability to see if a thrad is read or unread, who posted last, and the ability to see the number of pages from the forum list view and select which page of the thread you want to jump to from the forum list view.
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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/26 07:29:43 (permalink)
I looked but may have missed it in this Thread.
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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/26 08:45:37 (permalink)
What was wrong with the old forum that needed an upgrade?
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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/26 09:04:23 (permalink)
It kept giving errots, timing out, and wasn't designed to handle as much load as this many concurrent users can cause to the database.
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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/26 09:50:30 (permalink)
I'm not sure if its been mentioned but I've seen this a few times now. In single page threads (mobile) it sometimes shows a second page that don't actually exist. Using chrome on a galaxy s2

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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/27 09:26:55 (permalink)
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Hello,
 
This seems to be working fine.  Can you check to make sure?  I cannot reproduce this issue.
 
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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/27 09:30:12 (permalink)
Rob,
Have you been able to recreate this issue?  I know BB isnt as big of a priority as IOS or Android, but I have not been able to confirm if it happens in IOS or Android yet.
 
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I don't know if this is a BB OS7 issue, but when I open a thread from an email, the link is supposed to take me to the specific post.  It works on the computer, but not on my BB.  I dont have another phone to test on and my Android tablet runs the forums in PC mode.





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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/27 09:41:06 (permalink)
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Rob,
Have you been able to recreate this issue?  I know BB isnt as big of a priority as IOS or Android, but I have not been able to confirm if it happens in IOS or Android yet.
 
pcmaster00
I don't know if this is a BB OS7 issue, but when I open a thread from an email, the link is supposed to take me to the specific post.  It works on the computer, but not on my BB.  I dont have another phone to test on and my Android tablet runs the forums in PC mode.








Hi,
 
I tried this on both Android and iOS, however both of these work.  Unfortunately, I don't know of a BB to test with here.  Are you on the latest BB OS?
 
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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/27 09:45:02 (permalink)
I am on BB OS 7, which happens to be the latest for my model.  Its not a huge deal, just annoying.  I can confirm another post though related to the mobile version of the forums.  This thread shows has having 7 pages on the PC version of the forums, but on the mobile version it says there are 8 pages.

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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/27 10:16:45 (permalink)
guys, how do you change the setting so posts in threads appear in chronological order??? it's annoying as hell to start reading from last (often unrelated) post reply and need to go to the last page to see the OP/initial one ...
 
can't find that setting in new forums ... don't like the default ...

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Re: New Forum Issues 2013/09/27 10:22:46 (permalink)
Mine always has defaulted to the normal order. Maybe something in your user control panel got changed.
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