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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/01 16:26:21
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I'm curious to know how long has evga known or expected this to happen?
My feeling is they've known for sometime and have just been waiting to sell off stock of cards with evebot connector.
Now that those cards are gone I suspect classy hydros without evebot connector will be up for sale any day, coincidence?
Yea I'm mad, just got my classy from evga on Friday got it along with the nexxus 1500 for the $100 discount and it does have the connector, unfortunately for me I'm sitting on 2 water blocks and backplates and I'm sure the odds of me coming across the second classy card with a evebot connector will be slim to none.
Thanx for that evga.
Hit ebay and craigslist before anybody realizes and makes the price super high.
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/01 16:28:08
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I am very disappointed. I have been waiting to get a 680 classified HC card, now this...
I am extremely upset by how this turn of events seems to be getting pushed under the table by EVGA. This is a HUGE change. I almost bought an EVbot a little while back in anticipation. GLAD I DIDN'T! This is worthy news that should just be spread around the forums and just removed from the product pages. (FYI...It is still listed in the articles page.) Make a release, make it known! I know it isn't EVGA's choice to do this, but they are our suppliers with a community that has very strong brand loyalty.
Thank you to member loveha for posting this in another thread! This is something everyone should know about.
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/01 16:29:28
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I think Nvidia should of left the decision of over volting to the AIBs and/or user. I would gladly check that box (if given the chance) that says you willfully terminate your warranty with (insert AIB partner here) if you over volt this card. Which in turn sends the serial number of the card back to whoever the manufacture is. So when something does happen, you're SOL.
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/01 16:36:46
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We aren't trying to hide the change. We talked about it in the thread, changed the PDF, and spec sheet. Did forget about the article but that's being changed as we speak. In terms of the HC model we never advertised it as having EVBot.
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/01 16:42:39
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We aren't trying to hide the change. We talked about it in the thread, changed the PDF, and spec sheet. Did forget about the article but that's being changed as we speak. In terms of the HC model we never advertised it as having EVBot.
Eh, what can you do. I highly doubt you guys at EVGA wanted to take EVbot away. Hell, you guys are losing money now yourselves. Reading this thread, I like how mature this forum is. Instead of attacking EVGA and immediatly blaming them for it, you guys were like "Why nvidia why!". On most other sites people will blame the host for what the manufacturer does, it's out of their control, and there is absolutely nothing they can do about it, hell, I bet if they could, they would.
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/01 16:48:46
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I'm sometimes looking at people who have the 6x0 series that complain about the OC's and ask myself where would you guys be satisfied? 1350, 1400, 1430, 1800Mhz on the Gpu?
Well that is entirely up to the GPU and what its architecture will allow. It is not and has never been about absolute numbers, at least for me anyways. It is simply about the enjoyment and hobby of overclocking a part. Whether that yields 3 Mhz, 300 Mhz, or 3000 MHz is irrelevant in anything other than relative terms. By that line of thinking, people would have been totally fine with Intel somehow limiting its Sandy Bridge parts to 4.5 GHz. That was pretty unheard of with Nehalem, and people would have been praising the new Intel chips. That was before they knew that Sandy Bridge was capable of 5.0 GHz on air with a good chip. I just don't understand why nVidia doesn't take a similar approach to overclocking that Intel does. If you are an idiot and burn up an Intel CPU, guess what? You just ate that chip. I don't understand why it should be any different with nVidia. Let your AIB partners develop cards that can handle the added voltage, and people that are not idiots/aren't trying to break world records will overclock them and be happy as can be while cooling them properly for the use they're asking of it. Those who are trying to push to the limits or do stupid things like push it way too far on air and burn their cards up, tough luck. Intel has it figured out with overclocking. If nVidia has to come out with a "K" line of GPU's because there is added value in overclocking, then so be it. I've long thought Intel is way undervaluing their K chips. In my opinion, the K is worth at least an 80-100$ premium depending on the chip, but thankfully for us consumers they choose to charge a much smaller premium. Overclocking is simply a hobby for a lot of people, and I don't want to see it taken away. If nVidia is butt hurt that they aren't making additional money off of it, then put a price on it, but don't take it away from us completely.
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/01 16:57:54
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I would actually pay for that. If having no warranty means I have free reign over my graphics card, then so be it. If I blow it up, i'll just buy another one.
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/01 16:59:53
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We aren't trying to hide the change. We talked about it in the thread, changed the PDF, and spec sheet. Did forget about the article but that's being changed as we speak. In terms of the HC model we never advertised it as having EVBot.
This is true, for the HC model. Not only myself, other included, assumed it was merely a mistake that it wasn't posted as such. Why isn't this posted very clearly at least on the product page then? AND/OR even on the EVBot page? That would make this change very VERY clear to all who viewed it. Not merely taking the information that was there away. Something to the effect of: ATTENTION: EVGA GTX 680 Classified no longer supported by EVBot voltage control. That stands out, and is very clear. Just a suggestion. I am just glad I stumbled upon this thread before making a purchase or either. I will still be purchasing a 680 from you guys. LOVE THE COMPANY! Just think it should be very clearly stated. Certainly not your fault for the change in policy, I am sure. EVGA seems very careful to follow agreements and such. Stinky situation all the way around.
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/01 17:16:29
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I would actually pay for that. If having no warranty means I have free reign over my graphics card, then so be it. If I blow it up, i'll just buy another one.
You, me, and a whole slew of other people would pay for it. A boat load of K Intel processors are sold. It would be quite simple. Reference cards only get partially unlocked chips (unlocked clock, but locked voltage). Beefed up AIB cards could sell, for example, X chips that are fully unlocked. EVGA GTX 680X Classified ... has a nice ring to it. It still gives nVidia the control they apparently need in that they can lock cards that aren't made for additional voltage. They could also have certain specifications for modified PCB's to be able to house an X chip. All the control in the world, they make more money, and consumers are happy. Probably makes too much sense to be reality. We'll see what they do with the 700's. I just hope this isn't the direction they plan on going permanently.
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/01 17:43:24
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Are you trying to hide it now no, but my feeling is evga has known this was happening or going to happen. If I could be bothered I could piece together many comments by evga employes who have commented to the fact of nvidias policy on overvolting and why overclocking is so poor on keplar. And yet here we are with a product that's sole purpose for existing other than making evga money was its overclocking ability through the evebot connector. You know I used to get evga and bfg tech confused as the same company but now I see your one in the same. Why is it when evga received there first shipment of waterblocks they didn't use them at that time to make full waterblocked classy's? I don't get it you sold the blocks by themselves and other retailers sold them but for some reason you didn't hold back any blocks to assemble full waterblocked classy's? And now here we are no more classy's with evebot connector but we finally have waterblocked classy's without connector ready to roll. What will happen to those of us who have the connectors and have to rma a card? Will we get one back with or without a connector? I feel sorry for those who purchased extended warranty's. EVGA_MatthewH
We aren't trying to hide the change. We talked about it in the thread, changed the PDF, and spec sheet. Did forget about the article but that's being changed as we speak. In terms of the HC model we never advertised it as having EVBot.
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/01 19:01:25
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What will happen to those of us who have the connectors and have to rma a card? Will we get one back with or without a connector?
I feel sorry for those who purchased extended warranty's.
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/01 19:07:32
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This is sad... Maybe the 700 series will be so fast that not even the newest AMD GPU's will be able to keep up with them even when overclocked. 
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/01 20:21:39
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Ripp Tyde
What will happen to those of us who have the connectors and have to rma a card? Will we get one back with or without a connector?
I feel sorry for those who purchased extended warranty's.
I hope they just put EVBot plug back for RMA's or will offer 780 Classy 
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/01 23:03:57
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Luckily got the classies that have the port. But my question is, for those who have classies with the port and use evbot. Are we still going to be receiving tech help and stay under warranty?
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/01 23:26:06
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Luckily got the classies that have the port.
But my question is, for those who have classies with the port and use evbot. Are we still going to be receiving tech help and stay under warranty?
I doubt it...
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/01 23:31:01
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Cloudz00x
Luckily got the classies that have the port.
But my question is, for those who have classies with the port and use evbot. Are we still going to be receiving tech help and stay under warranty?
I doubt it...
I hope they do. Now I have a fear... If I ever have to RMA these cards. I better get the exact same card back or a new card with the port installed.... I didn't pay for my cards to get a different set of the card.
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/01 23:37:52
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Baltothewolf
Cloudz00x
Luckily got the classies that have the port.
But my question is, for those who have classies with the port and use evbot. Are we still going to be receiving tech help and stay under warranty?
I doubt it...
I hope they do. Now I have a fear... If I ever have to RMA these cards. I better get the exact same card back or a new card with the port installed.... I didn't pay for my cards to get a different set of the card.
I can't imagine they have them even in stock anymore tbh.
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/01 23:48:26
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Can we get a EVGA REP to hit all the edges on this subject? Instead of answering this question and that question. Elaborate on the entire thing.... How it affects, current users with legacy cards, current users with new cards. If RMA'ing the card, will it change the card completely or will you guys honor and keep the port available. It would've help your community a lot before it got slapped in the face. I also purchased an extended warranty for these cards. An Extended warranty for my exact card, If RMA process differs and I have the possibility to get a different card. I want my money back from my extended warranty purchases.
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/02 01:46:42
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well i have always gone for Nvidia.. u know, their extra features kinda always made me buy their products..
and since 600 series launch i've been watching this "trend" very closely and for me overclock has always been guaranteed fun and i will not give upon this "right" just because of greed!
if 700 series commit this fail again i will not buy it no way. This is very stupid, it's one of those moves that companies feel they have the power in their hands and they can do everything they want and people will obey. Just like Apple is doing with their costumers obligating them to use that horrible suckass maps navigation app.
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/02 02:05:04
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No evbot? OUCH!! Did evga announce this anywhere else or in the forums? Hopefully NiBiTor gets here soon in the mean time I guess bios flashing will have to do...
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/02 02:41:25
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Don't understand why people would level blame at EVGA at this. Ultimately it will only hurt sales, it wouldn't ever help so it's counter-intuitive to assume they had any culpability in the decision.
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/02 02:53:33
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Don't understand why people would level blame at EVGA at this. Ultimately it will only hurt sales, it wouldn't ever help so it's counter-intuitive to assume they had any culpability in the decision.
No it's not Evga's fault nor do I blame them... but since the port was offered and fabricated by EVGA, it is in-turn there product and with the recent change leaves there customers up in the air. Again questions need to be answered on Evga's part. 1. For individuals who purchased Legacy Classifieds GTX 680 with the Evbot, will technical and Customer Support still be available? 2. For individuals who purchased Legacy Classifieds GTX 680 and send the card in the future for an RMA, will they get the exact card back or will there be the probability of getting one of these new cards. 3. For individuals who purchased Extended Warranties for Legacy Classifieds GTX 680 will it be covered? Basically same question as #2. If not, a refund is in order, since the warranty is unique to that particular card not the new ones with the ports removed. 4. If overclocking the voltage since that is still applicable to the Legacy Classified GTX 680, will it void the warranty or no? These things need to be answered, so that way the community who did purchase this card can have some information, plan accordingly and/or have a peace of mind. Paying that much money just to be told, there's no more support/technical help, rma, or warranty on these cards would be horrible to hear. Hope Evga does the right thing.
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/02 03:27:26
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Soooo....will EVGA start carrying AMD GPU's soon :)
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/02 03:56:49
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Don't understand why people would level blame at EVGA at this. Ultimately it will only hurt sales, it wouldn't ever help so it's counter-intuitive to assume they had any culpability in the decision.
They have to shoulder some of the blame as they have sold Classifieds without informing the purchaser that EvBot has been removed. Also as above- where does it leave ppl who already own them?
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/02 04:30:45
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Durzel
Don't understand why people would level blame at EVGA at this. Ultimately it will only hurt sales, it wouldn't ever help so it's counter-intuitive to assume they had any culpability in the decision.
No it's not Evga's fault nor do I blame them... but since the port was offered and fabricated by EVGA, it is in-turn there product and with the recent change leaves there customers up in the air. Again questions need to be answered on Evga's part.
1. For individuals who purchased Legacy Classifieds GTX 680 with the Evbot, will technical and Customer Support still be available?
2. For individuals who purchased Legacy Classifieds GTX 680 and send the card in the future for an RMA, will they get the exact card back or will there be the probability of getting one of these new cards.
3. For individuals who purchased Extended Warranties for Legacy Classifieds GTX 680 will it be covered? Basically same question as #2. If not, a refund is in order, since the warranty is unique to that particular card not the new ones with the ports removed.
4. If overclocking the voltage since that is still applicable to the Legacy Classified GTX 680, will it void the warranty or no?
These things need to be answered, so that way the community who did purchase this card can have some information, plan accordingly and/or have a peace of mind. Paying that much money just to be told, there's no more support/technical help, rma, or warranty on these cards would be horrible to hear. Hope Evga does the right thing.
Sorry but that's a bit over dramatized holy cow 1. Yes 2. Performance is the RMA key word ,since they can not make more chances are high you would get a non-port Classy that performs as well as the Specs advertised (overclocking ability is not or has it ever been a factor in RMA) 3. Warranties just dont go away of course its covered,and the warranty is NO different then any other card not sure wth your talking about . 4.Jacob already covered this ,yes the card warranty is covered same as #3 you just asked Yes it sucks but guess what EVGA has to do what Nvidia wants in this particular case .
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/02 05:28:29
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Evga classified cards are very expensive (i spent 1220 pounds on the card's and evbots) so it was by no means a small investment.
Am i really now being told that if they both break tommorow? i will get two card's which are more expensive then the ftw edtion by 50 euro's each (a grand total of 220 euro's difference if i include the evbots) yet do the exact same thing? (give or take the 30mhz ), that is completely crazy!
I personally have no idea why you are still selling them!!, dont get me wrong i understand this is a nvidia issue and i think it is by far the most stupid one for along time.
Also i cannot understand how they have told you what they will allow and then doubled back and changed there mind's or is it that evga and msi (i believe the only two who have been offering the voltage tweaks) have actually done something nvidia never actually allowed? and this was just a couple of month's plan to rake in more money?
To put it simply i think there is gonna need to be some proper information on every aspect of what has just happened and what evga or nvidia are going to do to fix it, as the blame depending on what has actually happened is defiantly going to rest on someones shoulder's.
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/02 06:25:04
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I bought four Classifieds and two EVBots and I'm delighted with them. Using a modest overvolt (NVDD 1.26250v/FBVDD 1.65v) via the EVBots I'm running these cards *perfectly at Core Clock 1163 MHz/Boost Clock 1355 MHz/Memory Clock 3564 MHz.
*Runs all three EVGA OC Scanner X stress tests for 30 mins each without crashing and more importantly runs Rise of Flight for hours on end without crashing.
I'm already annoyed with nVidia for insisting EVGA only allow me to run the fans at 55% of their rated speed in order to comply with their noise limits (surely it's up to me how loud my system is).
This latest edict form nVidia to remove the EVBot connection to prevent overvolting (although it doesn't effect me) will really hamstring the potential of the 680 Classified and I feel for EVGA having their non-reference board interfered with in this way.
My main question is why have nVidia done this?
RMA issues? (surely too many cards being RMAed is a risk for EVGA not nVidia)
Marketing? (to prevent the overclocked cards competing with nVidia's next generation)
Safety? (have nVidia identified a genuine safety concern with the 680 chips)
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/02 06:46:01
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So will EvBot be made available to those of us in Europe who are waiting for them ?
It is at the moment, bought two EVBots from the European store a few weeks ago.
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/02 07:12:53
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Why are they even still selling these things?
Why are they still so damn expensive?
Oh! cuz they have more power phases and a bigger cooler?
Well what's the point of all those phases and bigger cooler when you can't overvolt? The 8 phases and vapor chamber is already overkill on the FTW.
I could understand if you were guaranteed a higher clocker with the classy, but you're not. Still the silicone lottery.
This series is such disappointment.... makes me sick. Going AMD for sure next time around.
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Re:New 680 Classified has no EVbot plug??
2012/10/02 07:18:04
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I don't know how you guys can still consider the EVGA GTX 680 FTW 4GB as a viable replacement for the Classified. The FTW has heat issues and the cooler on the Classified is WAY better. This EVBot news is very disappointing - but don't forget that the Classified cards are the top binned GPUs and they have the best air cooler around. May be worth that extra $30 (over the FTW) to you. I recommend it. I got rid of 4x FTW 4GB cards due to heat.
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