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I'm so demoralized with all the talk of VRM issues. I just built my first PC after a long process of researching each component. I went with the 1070 FTW a few days ago - picked it up from my local Fry's Electronics. I came to the forums and read all this terrible stuff about the VRM overheating issue as of recent. It's really disappointing...
I'm not planning on OC'ing my card, but I am using a 1440p 60hz monitor, and only plan to OC my 6700k processor. I do not feel comfortable with putting a thermal pad on my own AND my specific model shipped from Manufacturer to retailer on 8/3/2016, which made me even more uneasy. Would the best thing be to return it to my local retailer, and purchase a different 1070 model, or RMA this and request a new 1070 with preinstalled thermal pads, or just keep it since I'm not over clocking. I do have a very spacious case with good airflow. I can't wait 2-3 weeks again! I've been out of a pc for 3 months.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/10/31 17:39:17
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Your retailer might offer a 14 day no-questions-asked refund option.
That would be the quickest and easiest solution....bsides keeping the card.
If you've got good airflow, and do a custom fan curve, it should stay cool.
My FTW was running 80+ deg C under load, and when i read about these issues (sorry, non-issues) i was a bit freaked out. But I changed the fan setting to custom with a more aggressive profile and now it sits around 65 deg C.
Of course, i have no idea what the VRM temps are, but I'm hoping the general improved cooling is having an effect there too.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/10/31 18:12:19
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There are no issues. You don't need to do anything.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/10/31 18:28:10
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There are no issues. You don't need to do anything.
Yes, EVGA are offering thermal pads for your card, because there is no issue. You can pull it out, dismantle your brand new card and apply the EVGA supplied pads, because there is no issue.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/10/31 18:32:50
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Sajin
There are no issues. You don't need to do anything.
Yes, EVGA are offering thermal pads for your card, because there is no issue.
You can pull it out, dismantle your brand new card and apply the EVGA supplied pads, because there is no issue.
The cards perform within spec without the pads. Installing the pads just makes temps lower.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/10/31 18:36:36
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The cards perform within spec without the pads. Installing the pads just makes temps lower.
But why did EVGA just skip on those VRM thermal pads when literally every other vendor installed them? Especially on cards that are supposed to be overclocked such as the FTW line. It just boggles the mind.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/10/31 18:40:26
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Sajin
The cards perform within spec without the pads. Installing the pads just makes temps lower.
But why did EVGA just skip on those VRM thermal pads when literally every other vendor installed them? Especially on cards that are supposed to be overclocked such as the FTW line. It just boggles the mind.
Most likely they thought it was ok the way it was. Within spec is within spec.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/10/31 18:44:15
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The cards perform within spec without the pads. Installing the pads just makes temps lower.
But why did EVGA just skip on those VRM thermal pads when literally every other vendor installed them? Especially on cards that are supposed to be overclocked such as the FTW line. It just boggles the mind.
Most likely they thought it was ok the way it was. Within spec is within spec.
That's what I figured. But EVGA should know better. Just because it runs within spec, doesn't mean the components will last as long, being subject to higher temps.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/10/31 18:51:22
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Sajin
There are no issues. You don't need to do anything.
Yes, EVGA are offering thermal pads for your card, because there is no issue.
You can pull it out, dismantle your brand new card and apply the EVGA supplied pads, because there is no issue.
The cards perform within spec without the pads. Installing the pads just makes temps lower.
That seems to be true, but................ isn't the full story. The tests that raised these concerns showed that EVGAs ACR 3.0 cooling implementation is far inferior to the other major brand cards. Not just a bit, but by 20-30 deg C on that testing (as un-real world as it is). That's what has people concerned, and it is an issue. And EVGA have responded to that issue with the thermal pads offer. And well done for that. Insisting their is "no issue' is misleading and, ultimately, counter-productive. If by "no-issue" you mean ' no evidence that this will be a problem', I'd agree. But if you mean ' evidence that there is no problem', then no, this is completely wrong. We don't know yet. Elevated temps compared to other cards may have an effect on the longevity of your card. They may not, if temps indeed stay 'within spec'.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/10/31 18:54:15
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Putting customers through this experience and even the anxiety of having to think about this disaster is a big no no. I think I'm going to see how my card reacts over the next month. If I notice ANYTHING...then I'll RMA it faster than you can say FTW.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/10/31 18:55:53
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I think I'm going to see how my card reacts over the next month. If I notice ANYTHING...then I'll RMA it faster than you can say FTW.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/10/31 19:04:37
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Do not use inappropriate language on the evga forums. Thanks.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/10/31 19:18:41
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Yes, EVGA are offering thermal pads for your card, because there is no issue.
That seems to be true, but................
isn't the full story. The tests that raised these concerns showed that EVGAs ACR 3.0 cooling implementation is far inferior to the other major brand cards. Not just a bit, but by 20-30 deg C on that testing (as un-real world as it is).
That's what has people concerned, and it is an issue.
And EVGA have responded to that issue with the thermal pads offer. And well done for that.
Insisting their is "no issue' is misleading and, ultimately, counter-productive.
If by "no-issue" you mean ' no evidence that this will be a problem', I'd agree.
But if you mean ' evidence that there is no problem', then no, this is completely wrong.
We don't know yet. Elevated temps compared to other cards may have an effect on the longevity of your card. They may not, if temps indeed stay 'within spec'.
Exactly. It really isn't the full story. Essentially because EVGA has officially stated every card runs within spec and yet they've also stated the next batches will include the thermal pads, which means the ones we got are missing them. This is just logical thinking. They won't be optional for the people who get them in the future, as they are for us. Plus, why would EVGA go through the trouble of spending money on adding thermal pads to the new batches if they've already stated they aren't needed? It doesn't add up.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/10/31 19:20:42
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Did they say when the new batch of cards will be sent out? I'm curious, if I bought a new card directly from EVGA in 1 week, will they have thermal pads? Anyways I just emailed EVGA presale/sales asking them that if I bought a new card from their website tomorrow, will they come with the needed pad for the fix. Curious what they say.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/10/31 19:28:08
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Plus, why would EVGA go through the trouble of spending money on adding thermal pads to the new batches if they've already stated they aren't needed?
Most likely because the internet has blown up about missing pads.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/10/31 19:28:49
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People keep saying "why didn't evga put thermal pads on the vrm?" where are people getting this? Why are they saying there isn't thermal pads on the vrm? There very clearly is. The thermal pad is going between the mosfets and the heatspreader. The pad that EVGA is sending will go from the heatspreader to the cooler. There is thermal pads on the vrm, so please stop spreading that false statement.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/10/31 19:42:01
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People keep saying "why didn't evga put thermal pads on the vrm?" where are people getting this? Why are they saying there isn't thermal pads on the vrm? There very clearly is. The thermal pad is going between the mosfets and the heatspreader. The pad that EVGA is sending will go from the heatspreader to the cooler. There is thermal pads on the vrm, so please stop spreading that false statement.
I do think everyone knows there are thermal pads between the VRMs and the mid plate. Except there's literally nothing conducting the heat from the mid plate to the heatsink. Sajin
brokencross
Plus, why would EVGA go through the trouble of spending money on adding thermal pads to the new batches if they've already stated they aren't needed?
Most likely because the internet has blown up about missing pads.
Honestly, it sounds like really bad PR, even though EVGA thought this was a good idea. If everything is running within spec, EVGA shouldn't even offer optional thermal pads, much less say they'll have them installed on future batches. This may sound counterintuitive but think about it. All this "damage" control just makes EVGA QC look shoddy and in turn cause the people, who already bought their cards, feel like second fiddle.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/10/31 19:45:55
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My fans run at 50% (slave bios, 1070 ftw) and my vrm do not go above 50c according to the IR heat gun I own. (it's cheap, but has been very accurate on other items I have used it to check.)
I added extra thermal pads right where evga suggested, and notice no change on backplate temp, core temp, or VRM section. It all still runs relatively cool under a normal load, fan set to automatic and running at 50%.
If people stop running fans at 30% and hoping for a silent system, the air may move through the fins of the cooler and cool the heatspreader as well.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/10/31 20:14:47
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Honestly, it sounds like really bad PR, even though EVGA thought this was a good idea.
If everything is running within spec, EVGA shouldn't even offer optional thermal pads, much less say they'll have them installed on future batches.
This may sound counterintuitive but think about it. All this "damage" control just makes EVGA QC look shoddy and in turn cause the people, who already bought their cards, feel like second fiddle.
They've tried to walk on both sides of the street with this - say it's optional and "not an issue", but then implement the change on all new cards. The result - confusion and unhappiness. Maybe what they should have done is to state clearly that all cards are ok (and demonstrate that with their own published full test results, Tom's Hardware style), but acknowledge that the ACX 3.0 cooling is out-performed by competitors and undetake to implement a new/tweaked design for future lines. Might not be the best PR for the brand, but would have the advantage of being accurate and fully transparent....and probably better in the long term.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/10/31 21:16:07
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Most of the competitors for the 1070/1080 versions offer a triple fan style instead of a dual like on my 1070 FTW. I own a Gigabyte 970 G1 Gaming and it operates supremely cool as in with fans on auto it never reached past 68*C under full load and it did not throttle down at all. My EVGA 1070 FTW on the other hand with fans on auto will reach 80+ C relatively quickly under full load and will start to down clock when it passes 50* C...which is to me way too early to start throttling. I know it's because of the new Pascal and their concerns with OC problems, but atleast start to throttle at 60* as 50*C is relatively cool. Now I personally like the dual fan wider design rather than the longer triple fan style, but I am definitely noticing that this ACX 3.0 dual fan cooler is not performing as well as the other brands triple fan coolers, which would obviously make sense because the lack of a 3rd fan. Even though my 970 doesn't use as much power it still stayed more consistent than my new 1070. I ordered the pack of thermal pads and will install them just in case. But something seems fishy about this whole ordeal with the optional VRM pads as well as the latest EVGA cards being sold having them installed. I think this is a lack of awareness on EVGA's part and when the tests revealed the heat problem they all of a sudden said OK we will release VRM pads to help with that which appears as them trying to cover their butt's. I'm not hating on EVGA I just think it's a right to be suspicious about potential thermal issues later down the road without the new thermal pads installed, especially is the newer cards will have them installed unlike the early models. I didn't post this to argue about it, just simply stating my opinion. I still like EVGA and will most likely get a new generation card from them later on, but this whole situation will be in the back of my mind when I consider upgrading later down the road. Anyways that's my 2cents.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/11/01 07:27:37
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Called EVGA presales and spoke to a rep. I basically asked them "If I purchase a 1070 FTW directly from your website over this next weekend, can I be guaranteed that I will have a thermal pad pre-installed in the GPU?"
Response "Well the 3.0 acxs are running according to spec, and the furmark software used for the testing is what caused the burnout in the card. You may request a thermal pad along with your purchase for installation"
My response "Okay, but I'm a new PC builder, and don't want to open up my $450 GPU that I just purchased, so what your saying is that they will not come pre-installed when I purchase it directly from your website?"
Rep Response "All the cards should come pre-installed with the thermal pads within the next 1-2 weeks."
Anyways...this was the conversation. My plan and anyone that's in my same situation who have just bought a 10 series in the last week or two and just now started learning about the issue. The retailer I purchased from has a 30 day gpu return policy. I'm going to hold on to it for another 2 1/2 weeks and call EVGA back and see if they are ALL shipping with thermal pads. If so, I'll return my product to the retailer and purchase directly from EVGA. That is, if I don't decide to go with the Asus strix within the next 2 weeks. Last night, I was about to return my EVGA 1070 and just purchade the strix. For being a first time of builder, and wantibg quality parts from a dependable manufacturer, and not getting it is just demoralizing. I know things happen, but come on...they are $400+ GPUs.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/11/01 07:30:17
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Called EVGA presales and spoke to a rep. I basically asked them "If I purchase a 1070 FTW directly from your website over this next weekend, can I be guaranteed that I will have a thermal pad pre-installed in the GPU?"
Response "Well the 3.0 acxs are running according to spec, and the furmark software used for the testing is what caused the burnout in the card. You may request a thermal pad along with your purchase for installation"
My response "Okay, but I'm a new PC builder, and don't want to open up my $450 GPU that I just purchased, so what your saying is that they will not come pre-installed when I purchase it directly from your website?"
Rep Response "All the cards should come pre-installed with the thermal pads within the next 1-2 weeks."
Anyways...this was the conversation. My plan and anyone that's in my same situation who have just bought a 10 series in the last week or two and just now started learning about the issue. The retailer I purchased from has a 30 day gpu return policy. I'm going to hold on to it for another 2 1/2 weeks and call EVGA back and see if they are ALL shipping with thermal pads. If so, I'll return my product to the retailer and purchase directly from EVGA. That is, if I don't decide to go with the Asus strix within the next 2 weeks. Last night, I was about to return my EVGA 1070 and just purchade the strix. For being a first time of builder, and wantibg quality parts from a dependable manufacturer, and not getting it is just demoralizing. I know things happen, but come on...they are $400+ GPUs.
Asus isn't dependable in any form or shape, tbh. If you have an issue you're in a world of pain.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/11/01 07:32:35
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Yea I know...I guess it's desperation lol. But Im just not impressed with any manufacturer 10 series. I'm thinking of just skipping this series altogether and waiting for the next EVGA series.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/11/01 07:34:18
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I've ordered my 1070 FTW Gaming, but after reading through all these issues I have to cancel the purchase. Too bad.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/11/01 07:36:15
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I've ordered my 1070 FTW Gaming, but after reading through all these issues I have to cancel the purchase. Too bad.
if you do order again, I would wait until mid November when EVGA advised the thermal pads should be pre-installed.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/11/01 07:51:26
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No, I won't. Especially after seeing they saved money on some kind of VRM heatspreader. It's a risk not worth taking.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/11/01 08:37:28
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No, I won't. Especially after seeing they saved money on some kind of VRM heatspreader. It's a risk not worth taking.
If I were you I'd check out Gigabyte's 10xx series. I have a Gigabyte 970 G1 Gaming and it is a race horse, has the fastest boost clocks of any other card competitor and it stays very cool under 100% load. Auto fan speed never exceeded 68*C nor have I had any temperature or artifact problem. Gigabyte may not have the customer service of EVGA, but they do use high quality components on their video cards and usually have the fastest boost speeds with the best cooling. Their triple fan style is very large though if you have a mid or mini case.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/11/01 08:38:42
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Actually, I chose Asus's Strix version.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/11/01 08:39:29
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Actually, I chose Asus's Strix version.
do you like it? How has it performed for you? That was my next option.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase
2016/11/01 08:41:10
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There are no issues. You don't need to do anything.
Everytime I read this lately, this is all I can think of: 
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