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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase 2016/11/01 08:43:22 (permalink)
It will be my second pc build, but I don't have personally any experience on it. Some of my friends have this card and they really like it so I give it a chance.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase 2016/11/01 08:44:29 (permalink)
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase 2016/11/01 08:47:22 (permalink)
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It will be my second pc build, but I don't have personally any experience on it. Some of my friends have this card and they really like it so I give it a chance.
I think I might join you. I've been on the fence for the last 24 hours between going through the hassle of returning my 1070 ftw, and reordering once the thermal pads are installed, or just returning and getting a different manufacturer. EVGA customer support is great, but I can't justify keeping my card which I paid $450 for, and being shipped prior to 8/30. It comes with a hefty price...and a big risk Im not willing to take.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase 2016/11/01 08:51:18 (permalink)
I think it's a solid choice, get the Asus version! In the other hand, I really like EVGA for its costumer support and previous graphics cards, but with the 10 series I some kind of lost my faith in them. Unfortunately.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase 2016/11/01 09:06:48 (permalink)
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It will be my second pc build, but I don't have personally any experience on it. Some of my friends have this card and they really like it so I give it a chance.
I think I might join you. I've been on the fence for the last 24 hours between going through the hassle of returning my 1070 ftw, and reordering once the thermal pads are installed, or just returning and getting a different manufacturer. EVGA customer support is great, but I can't justify keeping my card which I paid $450 for, and being shipped prior to 8/30. It comes with a hefty price...and a big risk Im not willing to take.

I totally get you. I can't return mine because it's been about a month since I bought it, but even then I don't know if I would.
Fact of the matter is you can count on your fingers how many 1070 FTWs failed. These are drops in the ocean. It's not like we're experiencing some kind of S7 Note disaster.
Mine has been working fine ever since I bought it. 
 
If you really think about it, you have to agree with EVGA when they say any card from any vendor can fail. It just happens we're aware about this VRM heat thing. And there's no proof both things are correlated. Because if they were, the majority of the cards would be failing right now.
 
EVGA said there were faulty VRMs on the 1080 FTW, and that issue that affected 3-4% was corrected.
Maybe those 1070 FTWs that allegedly blew up were just faulty and nothing else. 

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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase 2016/11/01 09:22:34 (permalink)
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It will be my second pc build, but I don't have personally any experience on it. Some of my friends have this card and they really like it so I give it a chance.
I think I might join you. I've been on the fence for the last 24 hours between going through the hassle of returning my 1070 ftw, and reordering once the thermal pads are installed, or just returning and getting a different manufacturer. EVGA customer support is great, but I can't justify keeping my card which I paid $450 for, and being shipped prior to 8/30. It comes with a hefty price...and a big risk Im not willing to take.

I totally get you. I can't return mine because it's been about a month since I bought it, but even then I don't know if I would.
Fact of the matter is you can count on your fingers how many 1070 FTWs failed. These are drops in the ocean. It's not like we're experiencing some kind of S7 Note disaster.
Mine has been working fine ever since I bought it. 
 
If you really think about it, you have to agree with EVGA when they say any card from any vendor can fail. It just happens we're aware about this VRM heat thing. And there's no proof both things are correlated. Because if they were, the majority of the cards would be failing right now.
 
EVGA said there were faulty VRMs on the 1080 FTW, and that issue that affected 3-4% was corrected.
Maybe those 1070 FTWs that allegedly blew up were just faulty and nothing else. 
That's exactly why I've been on the fence. I have been thinking "well, If I adjust my fan speed, then I might be okay" or similar to what you said "it probably won't happen to me since the number reported have been so few." I've been going back and forth with this, but it will ALWAYS be I the back of my head if I keep it. I've also been thinking "heck, even if I go with another brand, there will still be some sort of issue." Haha right now I feel almost a lose lose, but I'm trying to think of the path of least resistance - what will be a better choice right now, and a choice that will not make me have anxiety about possibly overheating and damaging other components, even if it's not a large % of cards. Just knowing mine was shipped on 8/03/16 to my retailer makes me uneasy. I guess in the end, it's all psychological. Funny how that works...
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase 2016/11/01 09:27:25 (permalink)
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It will be my second pc build, but I don't have personally any experience on it. Some of my friends have this card and they really like it so I give it a chance.
I think I might join you. I've been on the fence for the last 24 hours between going through the hassle of returning my 1070 ftw, and reordering once the thermal pads are installed, or just returning and getting a different manufacturer. EVGA customer support is great, but I can't justify keeping my card which I paid $450 for, and being shipped prior to 8/30. It comes with a hefty price...and a big risk Im not willing to take.

I totally get you. I can't return mine because it's been about a month since I bought it, but even then I don't know if I would.
Fact of the matter is you can count on your fingers how many 1070 FTWs failed. These are drops in the ocean. It's not like we're experiencing some kind of S7 Note disaster.
Mine has been working fine ever since I bought it. 
 
If you really think about it, you have to agree with EVGA when they say any card from any vendor can fail. It just happens we're aware about this VRM heat thing. And there's no proof both things are correlated. Because if they were, the majority of the cards would be failing right now.
 
EVGA said there were faulty VRMs on the 1080 FTW, and that issue that affected 3-4% was corrected.
Maybe those 1070 FTWs that allegedly blew up were just faulty and nothing else. 
One more thing. Let me ask you. If you were in my situation, would you return to retailer, and then wait for thr new batch of cards pre-installed with thermal pads? I'm debating this or just returning and getting a new brand. I really really want to like this model. Mind you, I am not over clocking the gpu.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase 2016/11/01 09:49:06 (permalink)
If you still like it, you should return it to EVGA and claim a thermal padded version, or if you want a fresh start reclaim the price, return the card and buy it from another vendor.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase 2016/11/01 10:14:52 (permalink)
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 That's exactly why I've been on the fence. I have been thinking "well, If I adjust my fan speed, then I might be okay" or similar to what you said "it probably won't happen to me since the number reported have been so few." I've been going back and forth with this, but it will ALWAYS be I the back of my head if I keep it. I've also been thinking "heck, even if I go with another brand, there will still be some sort of issue." Haha right now I feel almost a lose lose, but I'm trying to think of the path of least resistance - what will be a better choice right now, and a choice that will not make me have anxiety about possibly overheating and damaging other components, even if it's not a large % of cards. Just knowing mine was shipped on 8/03/16 to my retailer makes me uneasy. I guess in the end, it's all psychological. Funny how that works...

I understand it perfectly where you're coming from. And honestly, I share your uneasiness.
Even though everything points to the cards working fine even with the 0db preset, you automatically feel you should make a custom preset or select the aggressive preset just to keep them cooler, after seeing those tests.
Even though they work fine in theory it just feels like you have to tweak whatever to have peace of mind.
 
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One more thing. Let me ask you. If you were in my situation, would you return to retailer, and then wait for thr new batch of cards pre-installed with thermal pads? I'm debating this or just returning and getting a new brand. I really really want to like this model. Mind you, I am not over clocking the gpu.



If you have the option to return it, I would if I were you.
Then I'd probably buy EVGA again just because I know the support is good. I've had ASUS cards and their support was beyond bad.
Gigabyte is good quality but their support isn't so good, too.
Can't tell you anything about MSI's support, but at least from a MOBO point of a view they build great products. And their cards seem to be on par. 
Gainward and Palit make pretty good cards too, but no idea how their support is.
So yeah, I guess it's just a matter of preference. If you don't want to buy EVGA again just go with the one who has a better cooling solution. That's what I would do.
 
But hey, at the end of the day, fact of the matter is our cards are working fine, and even some people who have overclocked them have them running without hiccups.
I'll install the pads just for peace of mind, because from what I've seen and from my usage I'll probably never have any issues with my card, knock on wood.
 

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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase 2016/11/01 10:18:19 (permalink)
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That's exactly why I've been on the fence. I have been thinking "well, If I adjust my fan speed, then I might be okay" or similar to what you said "it probably won't happen to me since the number reported have been so few." I've been going back and forth with this, but it will ALWAYS be I the back of my head if I keep it. I've also been thinking "heck, even if I go with another brand, there will still be some sort of issue." Haha right now I feel almost a lose lose, but I'm trying to think of the path of least resistance - what will be a better choice right now, and a choice that will not make me have anxiety about possibly overheating and damaging other components, even if it's not a large % of cards. Just knowing mine was shipped on 8/03/16 to my retailer makes me uneasy. I guess in the end, it's all psychological. Funny how that works...

I understand it perfectly where you're coming from. And honestly, I share your uneasiness.
Even though everything points to the cards working fine even with the 0db preset, you automatically feel you should make a custom preset or select the aggressive preset just to keep them cooler, after seeing those tests.
Even though they work fine in theory it just feels like you have to tweak whatever to have peace of mind.
 
Eurodancer
One more thing. Let me ask you. If you were in my situation, would you return to retailer, and then wait for thr new batch of cards pre-installed with thermal pads? I'm debating this or just returning and getting a new brand. I really really want to like this model. Mind you, I am not over clocking the gpu.



If you have the option to return it, I would if I were you.
Then I'd probably buy EVGA again just because I know the support is good. I've had ASUS cards and their support was beyond bad.
Gigabyte is good quality but their support isn't so good, too.
Can't tell you anything about MSI's support, but at least from a MOBO point of a view they build great products. And their cards seem to be on par. 
Gainward and Palit make pretty good cards too, but no idea how their support is.
So yeah, I guess it's just a matter of preference. If you don't want to buy EVGA again just go with the one who has a better cooling solution. That's what I would do.
 
But hey, at the end of the day, fact of the matter is our cards are working fine, and even some people who have overclocked them have them running without hiccups.
I'll install the pads just for peace of mind, because from what I've seen and from my usage I'll probably never have any issues with my card, knock on wood.
 
I'm think I've made up my kind. I'll use this card for another week or two, then return to my retailer. I'll then order directly through EVGA. I wonder if there is any way to request a card with a pre-installed thermal pad right now. Or if you just have to wait for 2 weeks and hope it's installed.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase 2016/11/01 10:21:53 (permalink)
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There are no issues. You don't need to do anything.




Everytime I read this lately, this is all I can think of:
 





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whitezero
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There are no issues. You don't need to do anything.




Everytime I read this lately, this is all I can think of:
 

lol so true

Guess you guys missed post #19 where Scarlet-Tech said his 1070 ftw ran at the same temps with or without pads. 


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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase 2016/11/01 10:25:25 (permalink)
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There are no issues. You don't need to do anything.




Everytime I read this lately, this is all I can think of:
 





Eurodancer
whitezero
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There are no issues. You don't need to do anything.




Everytime I read this lately, this is all I can think of:


lol so true

Guess you guys missed post #19 where Scarlet-Tech said his 1070 ftw ran at the same temps with or without pads. 
I saw it, but thats one card. Still doesn't put my kind at ease. They missed this padding in all the cards, which also doesn't put my mind at ease. Ide rather have a card with padding than without. To me, that's getting my $450 money's worth.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase 2016/11/01 10:38:27 (permalink)
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Guess you guys missed post #19 where Scarlet-Tech said his 1070 ftw ran at the same temps with or without pads. 



No, it's just I find it funny, the complete disregard for what's been going on, to just make the blanket statement of "there are no issues." When we have an increasing number of reports of cards bursting into flame. Perhaps related to component failure due to heat damage, perhaps not, perhaps due to faulty components. I mean, I haven't seen any reports from any other AIBs having this happen. Have you? 
 
Are most cards going to be just fine? Sure.
Is EVGA trying trying to make it right? Of course.
Could EVGA have done a bit better on the cooling design, especially compared to what seems to be every other AIB cooling the VRM? Absolutely.
 
But posting "no issues" when we can see them all around, just comes off as terribly disingenuous. 
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase 2016/11/01 10:43:07 (permalink)
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I wonder if there is any way to request a card with a pre-installed thermal pad right now. Or if you just have to wait for 2 weeks and hope it's installed.

I think a mod already said you can't. But maybe I'm just a bit confused. You can always try to message the support and see what they say.

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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase 2016/11/01 10:46:34 (permalink)
At this point, it's beyond the benchmarks and heat tests trying to prove this or that. At this point, as a consumer, I want my product to be "whole" meaning, I want my product to have not even simply the best components, but ALL components to ensure that my product is not (even a low chance) a ticking time bomb. If it's not "whole" to me, and especially for the price I paid, then something needs to be done to put the consumers mind at ease.

I just got off the phone a rep again. He suggests the following:

1. Order the thermal pads and install myself, or RMA my product and they will install.
OR
2. Reorder again in about 3 weeks and call to make sure they are shipping all products with thermal pads.

They are not sending them out right now. All orders cannot be guaranteed to be sent with thermal pads, until after their announcement/notice. Most likely he said 2-3 weeks.

#1 seem like more back and forth. I will return my product to my retailer in 2.5 weeks, still under the 30 day return.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase 2016/11/01 10:59:20 (permalink)
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Guess you guys missed post #19 where Scarlet-Tech said his 1070 ftw ran at the same temps with or without pads. 



No, it's just I find it funny, the complete disregard for what's been going on, to just make the blanket statement of "there are no issues." When we have an increasing number of reports of cards bursting into flame. Perhaps related to component failure due to heat damage, perhaps not, perhaps due to faulty components. I mean, I haven't seen any reports from any other AIBs having this happen. Have you? 

EVGA cards are the most purchased video cards on newegg. You're gonna see some failures here and there just because of that reason alone. Just because you get a few failures here and there doesn't mean the whole line is faulty.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase 2016/11/01 11:34:35 (permalink)
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Guess you guys missed post #19 where Scarlet-Tech said his 1070 ftw ran at the same temps with or without pads. 



No, it's just I find it funny, the complete disregard for what's been going on, to just make the blanket statement of "there are no issues." When we have an increasing number of reports of cards bursting into flame. Perhaps related to component failure due to heat damage, perhaps not, perhaps due to faulty components. I mean, I haven't seen any reports from any other AIBs having this happen. Have you? 

EVGA cards are the most purchased video cards on newegg. You're gonna see some failures here and there just because of that reason alone. Just because you get a few failures here and there doesn't mean the whole line is faulty.




And I really want to believe that is all that is going on here. And of course a few instances does not mean the whole is having an issue. But the lack of mass failure (a la the Samsung Note 7) does not equal "no issues" either, lets me honest. 
 
If we're just talking number of units out there, EVGA is definitely on top, but there are plenty of other cards out there as well. Heres just a quick sample I took from NewEgg based on the number of reviews per vendor for all the 1070's on the site currently for sale:
 
EVGA = 577
MSI = 373
Gigabyte = 302
Asus = 148
ZOTAC = 100
 
So we've got lots of other cards out there. And naturally, the sum total of all the other brands eclipses that of EVGA. But again, we're only seeing reports from EVGA owners having such catastrophic failures. We don't know if the failures are actually related to runaway thermals in the power delivery area, but the issues do coincide, so it must be considered. 
 
I just think it's best for EVGA to be candid with their customers.

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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase 2016/11/01 15:15:11 (permalink)
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My fans run at 50% (slave bios, 1070 ftw) and my vrm do not go above 50c according to the IR heat gun I own. (it's cheap, but has been very accurate on other items I have used it to check.)

I added extra thermal pads right where evga suggested, and notice no change on backplate temp, core temp, or VRM section. It all still runs relatively cool under a normal load, fan set to automatic and running at 50%.

If people stop running fans at 30% and hoping for a silent system, the air may move through the fins of the cooler and cool the heatspreader as well.



Thats not really a fair criticism of people is it. If they bought the better model hoping the bigger fans would mean it was quieter they shouldnt have to turn up the fans.
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Re: New 1070 FTW purchase 2016/11/01 16:47:32 (permalink)
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Thats not really a fair criticism of people is it. If they bought the better model hoping the bigger fans would mean it was quieter they shouldnt have to turn up the fans.



 
yes.. it 100% is fair criticism.  Air movement is required to move heat away from components.  If you refuse to turn the fans up then you refuse to move the heat away.  
 
The 700 series and 900 series cards had higher fan speeds, and they never overheated. They even utilized the same style heat spreader on the FTW and Classified cards.  Everyone wanted quiet systems, so the fan speed was lowered and suddenly the heat became a problem.  I see a common link. 

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