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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/05/24 09:08:50 (permalink)
My current shower head has a fairly narrow pattern, at least downward, but the pumping power  not sure about. It may be ok though since I would be eliminating 6-7 feet of height. A shorter tower would definitely be a plus if it works out.

 
                                                                                                                               




                          
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/05/25 10:40:57 (permalink)
Im really looking into the "fountain" approach (for lack of a better term).

I need to actually conduct a controlled experiment, and that involves removing everything else from the line.  Nothing but the Tower and a CPU, in a temperature controlled room. 
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/05/26 07:42:40 (permalink)
I was thinking maybe putting a cylindrical screen in the middle of the bong, kind of a tower within a tower, to help break up the water that hits the sides and exposing more of it to air. I doubt if the temps would be much different, but my main goal at this point would be to try to maintain current temps with a less intrusive setup. I think you have a good idea here Nate. It would definitely reduce the load on the pumps, hopefully prolonging pump life. I wish I was able to go ahead and try this out but it's probably going to be a couple of weeks. Still got lots of stuff to get in order in my new pad.

 
                                                                                                                               




                          
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/05/26 11:58:35 (permalink)
I REALLY like the screen idea too!!  It will ensure decent distribution of droplets.  Your shower head would have to shower right on to the screen.  It would be interesting to try since I have a bunch of window screen just sitting around the house.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/05/26 13:21:53 (permalink)
The sreen holes need to be large enough to allow easy flow of water through it or it will cause slight back up of water. This will also allow water droplets to stay in air longer allowing for more heat removal.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/06/02 11:11:14 (permalink)
I got some of that weed blocker stuff I could try.  Looks about the same but smaller holes?  More like a fabric.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/06/02 12:11:25 (permalink)
Err, the weed blocker stuff I've used is pretty much solid and water has to soak through it. Unless it has changed over the years. Maybe some kind of chicken wire/fence material. Larger openings but not too large obviously

 
                                                                                                                               




                          
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/06/02 12:17:40 (permalink)
Actually window screen material would work pretty well. Would break the larger drops into smaller so heat would disapate even faster.

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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/06/02 12:37:29 (permalink)
thats why I built it my way, shock is crazy. 
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/06/02 15:40:35 (permalink)
nateman_doo

thats why I built it my way, shock is crazy. 


You don't like the window screen idea? You can find it in different screen hole sizes plus you can get it in plastic type material so no rusting.

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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/06/02 19:01:53 (permalink)
I tried the fiberglass screen awhile back in order to break up the water droplets on the way down, but my work was sloppy and temps weren't fazed. I may have to go back and look at the different size openings and see if I can find something that looks like it would work in a fountain type setup. I would take some actual effort to come up with a design robust and at least semi elegant.... Anyways, I can't believe Nate called someone else "crazy" lmao!!!!!

 
                                                                                                                               




                          
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/06/02 20:02:29 (permalink)
The screen is defiantly on the to-do list, so is inverting the stream.  I would need to pick up a new section of pipe to try it out with first.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/10/25 12:36:22 (permalink)
Hi Nateman & Chris. 1st post here.
 
I know it's been a while since there's been any activity in this thread...
Are you guys still using your 'Evaporative Water Cooling Towers" bongs? If so I have several ideas I'd like to share.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/11/02 05:08:33 (permalink)
WOW?! first post here?!  I am honored.
 
By all means please share any ideas.  Feel free to hijack it as your own with pics or anything too!
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/11/02 05:11:32 (permalink)
btw the term "bong" was frowned upon by EVGA mods so we try not to refer to it as that ;)
 
I haven't turned it on in a while since my computer has been in pieces since the summer.  Such a sad day staring it it every day just sitting there.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/11/02 13:03:53 (permalink)
Hello Anit! Yes I am still using mine. I tried the fountain method back in the summer  but it didn't work. Just not enough force from my pumps to get the water to "shoot" upward from the showerhead. I also cut my bon, uh tower, in half, drilled lots of holes in it, and had the water going down the outside as well as the inside of the tower in an effort to expose more water to more air more rapidly. Didn't change temps much. Right now I have a normally operating, albeit downsized, tower and am satisfied with my temps. I have added a gtx 480 to the loop so overall temps are up a little up from before, but gpu stays in upper 40's to 51 during gaming, and depending on ambient temps. Really though, since settling into my new digs, after a year and a half house hunt, I have become much more interested in women than computer stuff. Eharmony won't drive up computer temps but could possibly drive up other temps lol....that's where my focus has been the last 2 or 3 months which is why I have been extremely scarce around here. That probably won't change any time real soon. Anyways, by all means, feel free to share any ideas you might have. Blue Ribbon for Nate!

 
                                                                                                                               




                          
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2010/11/02 17:49:52 (permalink)
strange- I haven't turned on my bong in months, and it still has liquid in it. 
 
Thanks for the BR request-but some don't think this thread is BR material.
 
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2011/04/10 13:47:23 (permalink)
I know the last post in this is going on like 6 months old now but i thought i should point out in case people are still thinking of this as a cooling method. The reason a closed loop is difficult is not because of the heat of the air. The air shouldn't heat up at all, and in fact should be cold coming out of the top of the pipe. The reason the water temps are below ambient is because of the laws of evaporation which in simplest explanation state that any liquid which is rapidly evaporated into a gas (water turned to water vapor) consumes energy (heat) thus making the air and water in the pipe cold. You could use a closed loop if you had some way of condensing all the water vapor in the air after it left the cooling tower portion. Which is the 7' tall pipe.
 
Essentially the dryer the air, the more dramatic the effects of evaporative cooling as it is easier to convert water to vapor at lower temps with dryer air.
 
If you were going to go for a closed loop i would say you would want to go with what someone suggested which is 8" PVC and you would have to make a condensing coil that would suck the moisture out of the air before it reenters the bottom of the tower. problem there being that a condensing coil would increase the power consumption be some marginal factor depending on design.
 
Anywho, just thought id reply all that in case anyone was still working on this stuff
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2011/04/10 14:14:18 (permalink)
Another first post!! 
 
Welcome to the forms!!   You may have to dumb that down a bit for folks such as myself.  While I caught most of what your saying the condensing coil in the center would probably negate the simplistic nature of this entire cooler.  I like the way you think though.  Its a great performer, that I liken to a V8 engine.  Is gulps gas, which you need to fill up often (distilled water is pretty cheap though).
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2011/04/10 16:04:51 (permalink)
Nate,
Have you considered a nipple mister (don't go there ) ? Here in Arkansas they are used extensively to keep chickens cool in the houses and they produce a very fine mist.
I found this site that sells them and they claim a droplet size of 9 to 50 microns! Would that be fine enough? Oh, and the price is very reasonable. Just an idea
 
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http://www.mistcooling.com/misting_nozzles.htm


 
 
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2011/04/10 16:10:58 (permalink)
Basically there are 2 methods of dehumidifying air. Method one is through a system which would warm the air... so thus not an option. The other is you run a coil from an outside source into the center of a return tube useing some method which would cause the best condensation to form and drain off into a water return. this coil would have to be at about 35f or 1 or 2c. as close to freezing as possible but not freezing as you don't want ice to form on it.
 
However yes... at this point the price goes way up and its no longer a simple solution.
 
The other thought i had was having a float valve in the reservoir at the bottom that will allow a fill tube from a water source to keep the water at a level which is ideal. this would be the most simplistic as long as you have a source close by you can run some 1/4 tubing from.
 
Then you just vent out the excess air to the outside and run a simple pond filter just to make sure that dirt from airborne dust doesn't eventually contaminate this and it should be basically no maintenance.
 
Last thought i had is this... tubing size is something to consider. 2 inch tubing would work but be off a rough head calculation 1/3 the cooling of 4 inch as the evaporation area is way more confined. 6 inch would in theory offer approx 60% better cooling performance. That isn't to say colder temps, but better heat bleed off, or in other words it would dissipate a higher wattage of heat coming from the computer. 8 inch likewise would offer somewhere in the range of 120-140% better dissipation over 4 inch. However 8 inch PVC or ABS isn't going to be a cheep thing in the range of an 8 foot piece, and the fittings will be 20-60 bucks.
 
One final thought is that a 6 or 8 inch tower could even go as far as to cool enough for 2 or 3 pumps and loops, say a cpu/north-bridge loop, and then a loop for a video card or 2.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2011/04/10 16:18:31 (permalink)
Oh another option if you prefer distilled water would be to attach a 5 gallon drum through a 1/4 inch tube to the same float valve. this would give you a large tank that keeps the system topped off, and also you would have a nice clear plastic tank where you could easily see the water reserve level, either or... but if you have a good filter on your house, like a reverse osmosis system followed by yarn filters it shouldn't even be an issue.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2011/04/10 17:21:49 (permalink)
Heres another thought i had, if you want to use misters, the mesh baffles could just be something simple like fiberglass screen and you want to leave an inch or so at the bottom of the tube free and clear for water that builds up to flow.
 
This would work best with 6 inch or 8 inch pipe so theres plenty of flow at low air speed.
 
Oh and the little rectangle at the end of the elbow is a fan.
 

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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2011/04/10 22:19:44 (permalink)
chrisj4040

Nate,
Have you considered a nipple mister (don't go there ) ? Here in Arkansas they are used extensively to keep chickens cool in the houses and they produce a very fine mist.
I found this site that sells them and they claim a droplet size of 9 to 50 microns! Would that be fine enough? Oh, and the price is very reasonable. Just an idea

Linky;
http://www.mistcooling.com/misting_nozzles.htm

Too fine, and the water will simply blow out the top, Also the pump will have to work extra hard pumping the water through those small holes.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2011/04/14 18:28:47 (permalink)

 

   

 
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2011/04/14 19:09:21 (permalink)
that cools the air, not the water.  We have those at work.  Pretty sweet btw.
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2011/04/15 16:56:54 (permalink)
it cools the air by evaporating water wich will also cool the water

 

   

 
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2011/04/15 17:54:22 (permalink)
The warm air travels through, and the water cools the air.  The heat goes into the water
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2011/04/17 06:57:19 (permalink)
i am a plumber and i take out 1 1/2 copper all the time out of old houses to revamp them and three in. vent stacks too.. i got them piled in the shop.geez i was gonna sell it all to the scrap yard..thats why that junk dude comes here with his magnet,,,,he's making coolers,,if he doesn't give me one i am gonna cut him off.gotta love inventive creative people...they make the world go around,nice job bro. if you're stuck for some copper let me know..i got a heap of it i usually pile it up for the scrap dude once a year.have no idea what its worth or don't care just like the scrap magnet dude to come around and clean up my shop,,, might attempt one of these myself ..... 
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Re:My 7' Tall Evaporative Water Cooling Tower 2011/04/17 07:05:06 (permalink)
yeah i got a ton of furnace nozzels as well 60 80 degree angled sprays...time to get creative glad i thought of it..lol man thanks for getting the artistic side of me going again
chrisj4040

Nate,
Have you considered a nipple mister (don't go there ) ? Here in Arkansas they are used extensively to keep chickens cool in the houses and they produce a very fine mist.
I found this site that sells them and they claim a droplet size of 9 to 50 microns! Would that be fine enough? Oh, and the price is very reasonable. Just an idea

Linky;
http://www.mistcooling.com/misting_nozzles.htm



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