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2011/09/07 13:48:00 (permalink)
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I have a 73 inch Mitsubishi DLP television which has a native 1920x1080 resolution. I am currently using a GTX 295 graphic's card, which does an ok job at rendering at that resolution, but isn't DX11 capable, and is rapidly showing it's age.

I'm looking at getting a card (or cards) which can handle playing at this resolution at pretty much max settings for any game out now, or coming out in the near future. I have an i7-920, an ASUS mobo capable of SLI, and 12 gigs of DDR3 Corsair Dominator ram, and a Corsair HX1000w power supply for reference. More detailed specs can be provided if needed.

The two card setups i'm currently considering are running 2 GTX 560 Ti's in SLI, or 1 580. Cost is a factor, but not too much a concern. 2 580's, however, are out of the question. I'm trying to keep my choice at/under 600 dollars. I was considering all of the major brands (EVGA, GIGABYTE, ASUS, MSI, ETC) for both cards, but for the SLI option, I definitely want to go with 2 cards that wont dump hot air into one another.

I'm perfectly willing to consider other options, but one of those two seems to be the best way to go. I'm also willing to try to overclock the GPUs and/or CPU, but I have no experience in doing so, and the guides I read never seem to match up to the options presented to me by my BIOS.

Any help, suggestions, recommendations, etc would be greatly appreciated.
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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/07 14:08:23 (permalink)
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I would go with one 580 now and another 580 latter. One card will perty much anything at or nere max seting's. two 580's is OMG.
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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/07 14:08:58 (permalink)
either choice will accomplish what you need. 
 
stick with a reference design such as the gtx 580 sc which pushes most of the hot air back out.
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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/07 14:13:57 (permalink)
As this is the EVGA boards, what is the best option of 580 card from EVGA? Is sc a type of card? I'm not too up on the specifics of 580 brands. I was spending a lot of time looking at the different 560 Ti's. Last time I made the mistake of getting a Gigabyte card. Their support is terrible. I'm definitely leaning towards EVGA as I only hear good things.
 
Which specs in particular would you like to know? I have an Antec skeleton case, which is the only thing I think I left out.
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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/07 14:19:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Folks the SIZE of the screen is irrelevant. It's 1920x1080. So the frame rates would be the same as on any 1920x1080 screen. Personally I'm a fan of using a single top end card...however, for your resolution most of the time the 560 Ti EE will give you superior performance. If you get an external exhaust model, you won't be dumping a significant amount of heat into the case. So, in your case unless you might go SLI 580's in the future, I'd go with SLI 560 Ti SC.
 
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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/07 14:23:25 (permalink)
Thanks a lot for the reply, HH. Do EVGA cards come with the needed components to run SLI, or would I need to buy that seperately? I glanced at your link and didn't see anything in particular that stood out, but I may have missed it.
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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/07 14:26:37 (permalink)
295NoWorkie

Thanks a lot for the reply, HH. Do EVGA cards come with the needed components to run SLI, or would I need to buy that separately? I glanced at your link and didn't see anything in particular that stood out, but I may have missed it.

Normally, if your board is capable of SLI, the SLI bridge comes with the motherboard it does not come with the card.  If you don't have one, you can get one here...
http://www.evga.com/produ...0-%20Hardware&sw=4
 
 

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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/07 14:33:08 (permalink)
I think I do infact have the ASUS model SLI cord. Does it make a difference if it is not EVGA specific?
 
Lastly, is there any advantage to buying from the EVGA site directly, versus somewhere like Newegg? Additional software, support, warranties, etc?
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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/07 14:36:13 (permalink)
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Welcome to the board's
I would go with one 580 now and another 580 latter. One card will perty much anything at or nere max seting's. two 580's is OMG.
btw what are all of your system spec?



           
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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/07 14:39:35 (permalink)
My only concern with buying 1 card with the option to upgrade with a second later is my last buying experience. I purchased a top of the line GTX 295 right when it first came out. I figured when I needed the boost, I could simply purchase a second and catch back up on the top-of-the-line rigs at a lesser cost ... well, what good would that do me now? the GTS 295 is still a beast, but it lacks the newer bells and whistles like DX11 and other new hardware features that doubling up simply won't add.
 
My point is if I get 1 580 now, by the time I need to upgrade again, do you think the new 600's..or hell, 700 cards would have features that would make such a purchase pointless?
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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/07 14:49:02 (permalink)
when i upgrade to gtx680s (or w/e they're gonna be called) you can buy mine :D


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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/07 14:52:28 (permalink)
If you can fork it out, a 590. Otherwise, a 580 will do great


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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/07 14:53:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
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I think I do infact have the ASUS model SLI cord. Does it make a difference if it is not EVGA specific?

Lastly, is there any advantage to buying from the EVGA site directly, versus somewhere like Newegg? Additional software, support, warranties, etc?

It doesn't matter the brand of SLI bridge they are all electrically the same. As long as you buy from an authorized vendor such as Newegg, Amazon, Tiger Direct etc etc...the support, warranty, and software are the same. Just remember to register your card within 30 days. And lastly, part numbers ending in -AR are the limited lifetime warranty.

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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/07 15:05:38 (permalink)
Meh.
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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/07 15:09:15 (permalink)
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My only concern with buying 1 card with the option to upgrade with a second later is my last buying experience. I purchased a top of the line GTX 295 right when it first came out. I figured when I needed the boost, I could simply purchase a second and catch back up on the top-of-the-line rigs at a lesser cost ... well, what good would that do me now? the GTS 295 is still a beast, but it lacks the newer bells and whistles like DX11 and other new hardware features that doubling up simply won't add.

My point is if I get 1 580 now, by the time I need to upgrade again, do you think the new 600's..or hell, 700 cards would have features that would make such a purchase pointless?

Who said you nesseceraly need to upgrade to a second 580 for SLI?
If you buy 2 card at this specific time, and you need a upgrade in let's say another 5 months, your possibillities are seriously limited because of the 2 present cards. Most motherboards do not support tri-SLI or do not support it well (in terms of PCI-e lanes available). And even if your mobo does support something like x16 x16 x8 the scaling isn't all that good with three cards.
 
If you would buy 1 580 now, you will allways have the option to go with a complete new model, or to 'simply' stick in a second one. Also single cards have beter support. No matter how many games are SLI compatible, there are allways a few that do not support it, or support it well. (seems a bit contradictory to first advise a future SLI set-up and then saying it isn't the best option . But there you have it)
 
And last I wouldn't advice a SC edition, since practicly every card can be OC'ed to the same settings with ease (sorry EVGA).
I'd rather go for a 2,5 or 3 Gb version, depending on the type they offer on the card you choose.
this is because I have found out myself (and is also well know) that some games run up to 2 gigs when playing in the highest settings. And so even my tri-SLI 580 is lagging from time to time when I play Metro2033 flat out, quite frustrating.
And my hunch is more and more major game titles will be filled up with textures and VRAM crunching contents.


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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/07 15:13:01 (permalink)
So you're saying it would be better to OC two 2 gig 560's myself? I will have to check out the pricing and see how that works out. As I mentioned, despite everyone telling me how easy it is, I always end up swearing at my monitor whenever I attempt to overclock my CPU. I can't imagine the GPU is any easier.
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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/07 15:17:56 (permalink)
So you would recommend  this card: Err...Can't post links, but two 2 gig EVGA cards at standard speeds over 2 Superclocked models, and would further recommend 1 580 over that. It's a tough call, that's for sure.
 

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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/07 15:25:13 (permalink)
GPU overclocking is significantly easier then CPU overclocking (though it depends on your experience and purposes offcourse).
Use programs like MSI Afterburner of EVGA Precision (The brand names have nothing to do with the brand of the GPU).
You'll see a couple gauges that can be moved left or right, move the bar to adjust the clock, hit apply. Check the "apply at windows startup" button and your overclock will always be present.
As I said before nearly any card can be OC'ed to SuperClocked settings, since this is a very mild OC for GPU's. Voltage increase would propably not be nessecary.
I that light I would invest my money in a version with more VRAM.
 
And yeah this is how I see it:
GTX 580 3gb > GTX 580 > GTX 560 2,5Gb SLI > GTX 560 SC SLI


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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/07 15:34:41 (permalink)
I suspect that GTX560s would overclock better than 580s, but why not consider a GTX570? It would run great.


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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/07 16:36:24 (permalink)
I went with a 3gb EVGA GTX 580. I figure by the time I need to upgrade I will be rebuilding the whole rig anyway.
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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/07 17:58:48 (permalink)
Good choice.  The 560 is very capable for sure, but the 580 with 3 gigs should keep you going for come time.

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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/07 18:16:14 (permalink)
Looks like you are running 2 580's. If I don't plan on 3d gaming or multiple screens, do you think there would be a point in upgrading any time soon? What price break should I look for? Perhaps when the next gen cards are released?
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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/07 18:43:20 (permalink)
That depends.
Wether you're a realist or a hardware junkie
 
The last type never buys what they need, but only what the want. Even with one or two of the best cards in their system they will run to the store the minute a new series comes out.
 
Realists go up to a point where they cant maintain a reasonable framerate on their desired settings and buy a cost/performance wise upgrade.
 
If you're one of the realists, you can keep that 580 for 2 years, maybe even three.


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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/08 22:30:42 (permalink)
The 580 is running great. Have it OCed at 950 and i havn't had a problem yet.
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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/08 22:34:43 (permalink)
buy 2 GTX480s, they cost about $230-280 now each

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Re:Matching a new GPU With 73 Inch DLP TV Television 2011/09/09 06:55:35 (permalink)
I run 2 580s at 1080p with a 120hz refresh rate.

I have run a single card a couple times just to see the performance difference and honestly it's not a huge issue.  For instance in Bad Company 2 I was seeing a drop to about 90FPS.  I personally like to stay over 120FPS due to the refresh rate but I have no problems with the play-ability of 90FPS.  A lot of games out right now will have zero issues staying over 120FPS with a single card.
 
Now, when I use the 2nd card, I tend to average about 140FPS in the game with spikes as high as 200.    Clearly overkill for the current state of 1080p gaming.  A couple games would push it harder but not really to a point of being unplayable.
 
I don't see DX12 coming out for quite some time now so I doubt you will be losing out on features so much as just better performance per card generation.  I also expect the highest end single GPU 600 series card to only be 20-30% faster than the current GTX 580.  I don't see a huge difference in performance coming this generation.  I would expect the 700 series to be the big upgrade over the 500 series.
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