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2011/04/28 10:24:32 (permalink)
Hi everyone,
After 3 years with EVGA hardware, I'm ready to upgrade.
 
My planned build:
 
EVGA P67 FTW Edition (Maybe the one with the sensors).
x2 EVGA 460 GTX in SLI (01G-P3-1371-AR)
i7 2600K
8GB Ram (Need suggestions for this)
750-850 PSU (Need suggestions for this too)
Water cooling (I'm new to this, so, recommendations would be appreciated)
 
Ok...so...I need help with some of the above parts.
 
I need to know which RAM is best compatible with the Mobo (granted, this might not be available until a bit later). I'm looking for best performance-to-value ratio. Also, if the RAM had red colouring on it, that would be a bonus. 
 
Also, need to know how much power I need with the liquid cooling. As far as that goes, I'm thinking of putting in ThermalTake's BigWater 760is (if anyone has experience with it, please let me know). Also, I'm not sure if the CPU bracket will fit the SB processor.
 
As for the water cooling portion, in addition to what i said above, is there a relatively cheap solution to water cooling the 460s? I found blocks for around $100 a piece (http://www.frozencpu.com/cat/l3/g30/c311/s1285/list/p1/Liquid_Cooling-Water_Blocks_VGA_-_Card_-_nVidia-GeForce_GTX_460_Water_Blocks-Page1.html), but I think that's a bit expensive and I might as well stick to the stock fans.
 
I think that's all the info I need for now. If I think of anything else, I'll post it here.
 
Thank you very much everyone!!!
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/28 15:48:41 (permalink)
Ok, so after reading a ton of other posts, I don't think I need any more advice regarding liquid cooling.
 
My main questions right now would be about the RAM and PSU.
 
What would be the minimum wattage I would need for the system?
I think 850W should be enough and still let me add additional HDDs in the future (I'm currently running 2 SATA drives)
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 07:33:20 (permalink)
Erm...anyone?
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 08:05:35 (permalink)
850w is plenty. Antec, Corsair, ThermalTake are my choices.
As for RAM seems like everyone is going for the Corsair Vengeance kits. Just make sure it is Dual Channel or Quad Channel and is 1.5v

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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 08:08:08 (permalink)
Awesome, thanks!
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 08:23:34 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
I don't know what you concluded about the 760is.  If you still plan to use it, please change your mind.  I used a very similar BigWater kit years ago; no single part of the system is very good which makes the whole system not very good.
 
As far as kits go, the XSPC Rasa kit is way better.  It has better components and is also a better base to upgrade off of.  You can add other blocks and radiators to the loop and the pump will do much better at keeping up.
 
But, if you are going to throw your video cards in the loop as well, you are going to have to do some serious upgrading on the radiator.  You will want either a 4x120mm or two 2x120mm radiators as a minimum if you are going to cool both your CPU and two video cards.  A single 3x120mm radiator would probably cut it in a pinch, but your CPU and video card temperatures probably wouldn't be nearly as low as you would want for the money spent and the overclocking headroom wouldn't be as high.
 
As far as memory goes, I am using this kit and I would recommend it (4GB):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231444
 
It has nice tight timings, low voltage requirement, and pretty low cost.  G.Skill also has a good track record.
 
If you want 8GB, they sell a similar kit here for only a little more money:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231440
 
As far as PSUs go, I would recommend to go big.  You don't need a 1200W PSU now, but you will probably need it sooner or later when you decide to upgrade your GTX 460s.  I just figure that it is cheaper to buy a high output PSU now instead of adding up the cost of buying a lower output PSU now and then buying a higher output PSU later.  But that total depends on your personal upgrade cycle.
 
These two 1200W units are both highly rated and feature excellent performance and overall efficiency:
 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371043
 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139014
 
Otherwise, at a more sane price and power output for your present video card setup, I would recommend this PSU:
 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139016
 
Still has similar great efficiency and modular cable system but in a lower wattage and lower priced package.
 
I would also recommend one of their TX series PSUs such as a TX850.  With the TX series, you are sacrificing efficiency and the modular cable system in favor of lower cost.  On the other hand, you can get a higher output TX PSU for roughly the same cost as a lower output AX PSU.  It all depends on whether cost is a big factor.
post edited by ty_ger07 - 2011/04/30 08:34:56
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 08:30:00 (permalink)
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I don't know what you concluded about the 760is.  If you still plan to use it, please change your mind.  I used a very similar BigWater kit years ago; they aren't very good.

As far as kits go, the XSPC Rasa kit is so much better.  But, if you are going to throw your video cards in the loop as well, you are going to have to do some serious upgrading on the radiator.  You will want either a 4x120mm or two 2x120mm radiators as a minimum if you are going to cool both your CPU and two video cards.  A single 3x120mm radiator would probably cut it in a pinch, but your CPU and video card temperatures probably wouldn't be nearly as low as you would want for the money spent and the overclocking headroom wouldn't be as high.


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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 08:35:50 (permalink)
Thank you for the comprehensive reply.
 
For RAM, I was actually looking into these sticks.
 
For PSU, probably this one.
 
As for the water cooling, with each post I read, I'm inching away from the BigWater kit.
 
I will likely be building the LC system myself, I'm just looking for parts right now. Maybe you can point me to the part I'm thinking of, but there is a Rad that has the input and output on opposite sides...that would be fantastic for my case. (TT Armor+)
 
EDIT: Found it. Black Ice XFlow Pro III. How many of these will I need? I'm honeslty still not too sure about what all the number represent, but I would assume that this is a 3x120mm?
post edited by Happydude - 2011/04/30 08:40:11
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 08:51:28 (permalink)
Happydude

For RAM, I was actually looking into these sticks.

 
Those are alright; the only negative aspect is their relatively high timings for their rated frequency.  But on the other hand, it's hard to argue with their cost.  Like I said, G.Skill has a good reputation, so it is hard to go wrong. 
 
I noticed in my previous post that I accidentally linked to their 1333MHz 8GB kit, instead of their 1600MHz 8GB kit.  The 1600MHz 8GB kit comes with four sticks (4 x 2 x 2) and their timings are 7-8-7-24-2T if I remember correctly.
 
Basically, the black and blue Ripjaws X series are higher performance than the red series; but the red series have a better price.
 

For PSU, probably this one.

 
Real nice.    Over 90% efficiency at 50% load is impressive.  The modular cable system and and double ball bearing fan are also nice additions.
 
I'm honeslty still not too sure about what all the number represent, but I would assume that this is a 3x120mm?

 
Well, it is sort of short-hand.  A standard PC fan is 120mm x 120mm in area.  We just call them 120mm fans.  So, a 3x120mm radiator means that it has room for three 120mm fans.  Its radiator surface area is actually approximately 120mm x 360mm.
 
So, yes, that is an example of a 3x120mm radiator.
post edited by ty_ger07 - 2011/04/30 08:56:32
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 08:56:11 (permalink)
So far, this is what I have:
 
Pump - Swiftech MCP655
 
Rad - Black Ice XFlow Pro III
 
Res - Not sure yet. I would like to find one that fits in my front 5.25" drive bays (dual would probably be better, but single is fine too) and has a temperature reader on it.
 
Tubing - I would want to match the motherboard with red overtones, so I would want clear tubing with red coolant and UV lighting in my case, but I believe yellow_fever posted that this isn't a good idea and instead colored tubing should be used. Opinions?
 
CPU block - This kind of depends on the above. If I'm running red coolant, then I would like the EK-Supreme. If I'm running red tubes, I would likely go for The SwiftTech Apogee-XT.
 
GPU block - I can't find any other ones that ones in the original post. Are there any other sources which supply water block for the GTX 460s?
 
 
Opinions? suggestions?
 
post edited by Happydude - 2011/04/30 09:00:03
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 09:02:48 (permalink)
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Tubing - I would want to match the motherboard with red overtones, so I would want clear tubing with red coolant and UV lighting in my case, but I believe yellow_fever poster that this isn't a good idea and instead colored tubing should be used. Opinions?

I could't agree more with Yellow_fever on that topic.  If you want color, get colored tubing.  Dyed coolant is nothing but a nightmare in most situations as it tends to attach itself and build up (residue) on all your tubing, blocks, radiator(s), and pump(s).
 
I personally like the EK Nickel series with the plexiglass tops.  I am biased though because those are the blocks I am using (except that I am using the GTX 580 blocks).  I personally like the look of nickel and I like the plexi top so I can see how healthy the internals are (look for buildup, corrosion, or trapped air).
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 09:12:11 (permalink)
Ok, got a few more questions. Thank you for all the help by the way.
 
The EK GTX 460 blocks, in particular, this one, do they fit the EVGA cards?
 
Secondly, is there a USA/Canadian retailer that would sell these products?
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 09:12:50 (permalink)
Not to rush you, but they are running out of  GTX 460 blocks fast.
 
The EK block with the Acetal top only has one in stock.  
 
The EK block with the plexi top only has two in stock.

 
And there are only three of the Koolance blocks.  (I personally like the EK ones better)
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 09:14:21 (permalink)
Where are you seeing this stock?
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 09:19:09 (permalink)
Happydude

The EK GTX 460 blocks, in particular, this one, do they fit the EVGA cards?

I never bought into the 400 series and never really did much research on them either.  I was a bit turned off by the original Fermi launch.
 
Which specific GTX 460 do you have?  What is the model number?
 
That being said, I don't know too much about the 460 cards.  Someone will have to correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I know, all the EVGA GTX 460s use "reference" circuit boards which means they should fit a standard GTX 460 block.  The only EVGA GTX 460 which isn't reference -- as far as I am aware -- is the GTX 460 2Win.  I believe all the other EVGA GTX 460s use reference circuit boards with slightly different heatsink configurations or performance ("clocks").
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 09:20:25 (permalink)
Happydude

Where are you seeing this stock?

That is the stock status of the blocks you linked to in your original post.
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 09:20:30 (permalink)
I have two of the 01G-P3-1371-AR. Which looks better than other other design with the fan in the center, IMO.
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 09:24:01 (permalink)
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I have two of the 01G-P3-1371-AR. Which looks better than other other design with the fan in the center, IMO.

According to the link on EK's website, the block fits that card.
 
http://www.coolingconfigurator.com/waterblock/3831109830161
 
I thought it would.
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 09:51:10 (permalink)
Awesome.
 
Ok, so updated list:
 
Pump - Swiftech MCP655

Rad - XSPC RX360
 
Res - XSPC Dual-bay res - although I'm still looking for one with a temp monitor.
 
Tubing - Feser Red UV tubing
 
CPU block - EK-Supreme HF - Plexi Rev 2.0
 
GPU block - EK-FC460 GTX - Plexi+Nickel
 
Coolant - Feser Aqua - Bi-Distilled Uber Pure Water
 
Unfortunately $500 is a little over my budget, but that's only thanks to the GPU blocks. We'll see how it goes and I'll later decide if I will want to go ahead with them.
 
Now I need to figure out how everything will fit into my case.....
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 10:14:01 (permalink)
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 10:53:12 (permalink)
Happydude

Awesome.

Ok, so updated list:

Pump - Swiftech MCP655

Rad - XSPC RX360

Res - XSPC Dual-bay res - although I'm still looking for one with a temp monitor.

Tubing - Feser Red UV tubing

CPU block - EK-Supreme HF - Plexi Rev 2.0

GPU block - EK-FC460 GTX - Plexi+Nickel

Coolant - Feser Aqua - Bi-Distilled Uber Pure Water

Unfortunately $500 is a little over my budget, but that's only thanks to the GPU blocks. We'll see how it goes and I'll later decide if I will want to go ahead with them.

Now I need to figure out how everything will fit into my case.....

Drop the coolant. It is a waste of money. Get a galon of distilled water and a Silver Coil/Biocide. Most things come with fittings but I would double check, if they do come with fittings do they come with Hose Clamps.
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 11:07:54 (permalink)
Can I get distilled water from any grocery store? And where would I get a silver coil/biocide?
 
Furthermore, how much liquid will I need to put into the system?
 
I plan on running 3/8" tubing as 1/2" is too think and I don't like how it looks. So I'll look for new tubing. I would like to stay away from clamps and instead use compression fittings. I read somewhere that if you have compression fittings you don't need clamps. True or false?
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 11:28:45 (permalink)
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Can I get distilled water from any grocery store? And where would I get a silver coil/biocide? <-- Yes you can. http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=28871

Furthermore, how much liquid will I need to put into the system? <-- typically about a half gallon.

I plan on running 3/8" tubing as 1/2" is too think and I don't like how it looks. So I'll look for new tubing. I would like to stay away from clamps and instead use compression fittings. I read somewhere that if you have compression fittings you don't need clamps. True or false? <-- That's true yes. You also might take a look at 7/16" tubing, that's what I use.



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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 11:43:54 (permalink)
Why 7/16" as opposed to 3/8"? I would have thought that 3/8" would give me more flexibility because it's thinner. Also, I don't really want tubes covering all the components.
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 11:56:36 (permalink)
Regarding the reservoir;
http://www.dazmode.com/st...o&products_id=755,
is that not for a DDC pump whereas you specified the 655 (D5)?
 
For the 655, I believe you need this:
http://www.dazmode.com/st...3&products_id=756,
that is what I am using for my D5 (655).
 
 

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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 11:59:10 (permalink)
Thank you for catching that Arctucas.
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 12:02:15 (permalink)
Happydude

Thank you for catching that Arctucas.

 
No problem.
 
 

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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/04/30 17:37:50 (permalink)
Anybody have any link or instructions on how to install the MCP655 pump into the XSPC 5.25" bay res?
 
It seems I might need additional parts. The intake and output pipes don't seem to line up.
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/05/02 09:48:35 (permalink)
Alright. So...after several days of research...this is what I plan to get for my build:
 
Pump - Swiftech MCP 655-B Water Pump ( MCP655 D5) 
Res - XSPC Dual 5.25" Reservoir for One Laing D5 Single Loop 
Rad - Performance Triple 120mm Radiator XSPC RX360 
Rad Fans - (3x) GELID Silent12 1000RPM 120MM Quiet Fan 37CFM (might upgrade to the 1500RPM GELID PWM fans, or the TC fans...not sure yet, need to see which ones would work better with my case.)
CPU Block - EK-Supreme HF - Acetal-Nickel Rev 2.0 - CPU WaterBlock
GPU Block - (2x) EK-FC460 GTX - Plexi+Nickel 
GPU Link - (2x) EK-FC Link R48X0/58X0/68X0/69X0/GTX460 SLI/Cross-Fire Op.
GPU Bridge - EK-FC Bridge Dual 3-Slot GPU Serial SLI/Crossfire Option (The EVGA P67 FTW edition would require a slot gap between cards in SLI, right?)
GPU hole covers - Stop Plug Fitting w/ Slot Head (Pack of 4) (for the side of the GPU block I won't be using.)
Fittings - (11x) 3/8"ID - 1/2"OD Straight Compression Fitting - Black 
Drain plug - Fill/Drain Port Sealing Plug w/ 3/8"ID Tubing Barb - Matt Black
T Splitter - 3-way Splitter, T Block Crossconnect Adapter - Matt Black (for draining)
 
Still waiting for tubing to arrive at this store, they said about 1-2 weeks...which is fine seeing as the motherboard won't be out for a while. (hope I'm wrong about that though)
 
So...anything I've missed? Opinions, suggestions?
 
Much appreciated.
 
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Re:Looking for P67 Liquid Cooling & Build Suggestions 2011/05/05 14:57:12 (permalink)
Sorry to have to bump this, but since I'll be putting about $700 into this system, I would like an opinion from some of the more experienced people here about it.
 
Anything I'm missing?
 
See my post above for my other questions.
 
Thanks.
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