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Re: It’s not just Windows 10, Windows 7 and 8 are also tracking you. 2016/03/17 07:34:39 (permalink)
That wouldn't phase me one bit. This PC is staying on Windows 7.


 
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Re: It’s not just Windows 10, Windows 7 and 8 are also tracking you. 2016/03/17 11:21:44 (permalink)
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That wouldn't phase me one bit. This PC is staying on Windows 7.




but why Zuhl, any real reason for it other than microsoft can see what im doing? you know anything you already do online is tracked and sold, anything you look at online is tracked and used to target you unless you use add blockers. Oh and yea you can turn off all tracking features in 10 but why bother. 
 
This is just funny to me, its like a caveman being afraid of fire.


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Re: It’s not just Windows 10, Windows 7 and 8 are also tracking you. 2016/03/17 12:01:43 (permalink)
So candle's advice is just to capitulate to Corporate Big Brother like a good sheep, in this case M$. Eventually (if we're not already there now) your life will be dictated to by corporations only wanting more profit, while all other considerations are ignored.
 
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Re: It’s not just Windows 10, Windows 7 and 8 are also tracking you. 2016/03/17 12:25:27 (permalink)
What!?! Fire?   Run!
 
Baaahhh. I have Windows 10 on my other PC. It's OK but I like this PC better. I can check for updates whenever I want without Windows rescheduling restarts at 3:00 am when I am Folding.


 
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Re: It’s not just Windows 10, Windows 7 and 8 are also tracking you. 2016/03/17 13:37:01 (permalink)
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So candle's advice is just to capitulate to Corporate Big Brother like a good sheep, in this case M$. Eventually (if we're not already there now) your life will be dictated to by corporations only wanting more profit, while all other considerations are ignored.
 
Some of us aren't built that way. TYVM.




It doesn't really matter though thats the point, what are you going to do in 2021 when Windows 7 stops getting any support at all, and by 2025 when nothing has Windows 7 drivers. Maybe Linux will be a viable platform by then, but I doubt it, they've had 25 years to make it viable and they are no closer to that goal, not sure they will make any headway in another 9. The only game in town is Microsoft if you want to run the latest hardware and games its that simple. I simply realize the truth of the matter and decided I can live with it. Eventually everyone else will have to use Apple which also spy's, go to linux and give up 90% of their gaming and 99% of their apps, upgrade to Windows 10, or stay with Windows 7 and try to write custom drivers and fix the security patch's themselves. (that didn't work out real well for Windows 9x)
 
 
On a side note you do realize a bussiness's only goal is to make money right? You getting mad at Microsoft for finding new ways to make money is like getting mad at someone for breathing air. They have no obligation to not make the most money they possibly can, and I'd be real mad if i had stock in a company that didn't care about making every list penny possible.
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Re: It’s not just Windows 10, Windows 7 and 8 are also tracking you. 2016/03/17 14:17:34 (permalink)
Have you forgotten that a business's profit margin is not my or your concern as customers/consumers? In fact the two things are generally opposed to each other. Our interest lies in getting the best product/service for the best price that suits our needs, and demanding that from the companies we patronize or going elsewhere. That's why monopolies like the one M$ has are dangerous and generally bad for the consumer.
 
You've put the cart before the horse. As consumers, why should we be concerned that any company "makes more money" when it is most often not in our best interests as their customers? It is their job to produce better products and to sink or swim in the marketplace. It is not our job to accept inferior products just so they can make more money.
 
While it may be true that any of these OS's will eventually lose support at some point in the future, that does not mean that we should simply capitulate now to their insidious spying and datamining attempts, or that it is an inevitable outcome. We should fight it at every turn; not doing so is just complacent or lazy, something which we'll all no doubt regret.
 
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Re: It’s not just Windows 10, Windows 7 and 8 are also tracking you. 2016/03/17 15:54:06 (permalink)
I know one of the main reasons Windows 10 bothers me is all the tracking, telemetry, advertisements and the access to go through any and all of my personal files, emails ect and send them to Microsoft. I am working on a Law Enforcement degree and am a big supporter of the constitution and the rights of people. To me Windows 10 seriously invades the privacy of its user and puts almost a monopoly on an operating system for personal computers. When you're installing Windows 10 it clearly states that by accepting their terms they can and will access your personal files, emails, passwords, ect, send it to Microsoft and analyze it as well as pass it on to third parties.
 
What gives Microsoft the right to invade my privacy, spy on me and what I do with my computer?
What gives them the right to pass on this information to other parties?
 
And if you don't accept Microsoft's terms then you cannot use the operating system which is used on what, 80% of the world's computers today? The other 20% is Apple and Linux, that my friends is damn close to a monopoly.
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind Microsoft collecting information on the operating system itself to check for its health and to find any bugs or problems and fix them or improve them. But Microsoft has crossed the line with Windows 10. Law enforcement agencies cannot search or seize your phone or computer without a warrant let alone search through your phone calls, messages and emails. Microsoft is not a law enforcement agency. So why do they have the right to bypass these laws and do whatever the heck they want?
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Re: It’s not just Windows 10, Windows 7 and 8 are also tracking you. 2016/03/18 13:29:14 (permalink)
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Have you forgotten that a business's profit margin is not my or your concern as customers/consumers? In fact the two things are generally opposed to each other. Our interest lies in getting the best product/service for the best price that suits our needs, and demanding that from the companies we patronize or going elsewhere. That's why monopolies like the one M$ has are dangerous and generally bad for the consumer.
 
You've put the cart before the horse. As consumers, why should we be concerned that any company "makes more money" when it is most often not in our best interests as their customers? It is their job to produce better products and to sink or swim in the marketplace. It is not our job to accept inferior products just so they can make more money.
 
While it may be true that any of these OS's will eventually lose support at some point in the future, that does not mean that we should simply capitulate now to their insidious spying and datamining attempts, or that it is an inevitable outcome. We should fight it at every turn; not doing so is just complacent or lazy, something which we'll all no doubt regret.
 




no it's not my concern but Microsoft where the final people to implement this besides Linux, so it makes perfect sense to me. I can understand they had to do this, and they'd stop if a law made them just like everyone else. But unless a law happens to prevent this even the bigger Linux distro's will likely get on board to increase their funds.


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Re: It’s not just Windows 10, Windows 7 and 8 are also tracking you. 2016/03/19 07:54:10 (permalink)
I can "understand" why people do certain things. That doesn't mean they're justified to do, or that how they affect me is acceptable.

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Re: It’s not just Windows 10, Windows 7 and 8 are also tracking you. 2016/03/20 10:20:33 (permalink)
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no it's not my concern but Microsoft where the final people to implement this besides Linux, so it makes perfect sense to me. I can understand they had to do this, and they'd stop if a law made them just like everyone else. But unless a law happens to prevent this even the bigger Linux distro's will likely get on board to increase their funds.

Microsoft, just like any Linux/Unix(like) distribution has it's choice: 1) Implement data telemetry and use data to sell to third parties to gather funds, 2) use customer service to generate revenue for corrections and/or specific fixes and implementation of their system OS for support contract customers or 3) remain as a purchasable OS. The Unix(like) distribution major players (Debian/SuSe/RedHat) all implemented customer service contracts for their customers for revenue generation and yet still offer the OS for free with conditions as the GPL states. Even RedHat has a subscription channel for updates/upgrades to their Enterprise OS.  Microsoft had this choice as well when they decided to implement a 'free' upgrade offering during this time frame and did not need to integrate the telemetry and conditions in their EULA which clearly states they will sift through your personal data/email and the like for their gain in order to advertise on your OS. Once this 'free' period has been completed Microsoft plans to continue offering the OS as a 'paid' model but yet won't remove the telemetry for additional advertisement sales based on your personal usage and habits. I find this rather difficult to fathom as they are intentionally do exactly what quite a number of alpha/beta testers told them would be harmful to their standing. Many people these days do not see the need for privacy as they consider anything you do is tracked and aggregated. That is somewhat true but not fully done as of yet. Privacy needs to be addressed before it has been removed entirely. Just throwing your proverbial hands up and giving up your right to personal privacy is not a choice I have decided to make.
post edited by James_L - 2016/03/20 10:23:06

 
  

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