Hmm.  So the Z170 1151 is going to be a short lived dead end it might appear? Skylake will live on in name only as Skylake-E. 
 
Thats about par for the course (as I have parts for a new 6700K system being delivered).  I thought in another year I was going to be able to leapfrog all the X99 Broadwell-E upgrades just announced. 

i myself was looking into skylake z170 platform but at this moment with this release i am going to wait now. i will wait for the holiday season so do my build. see what this new socket is like.unless broadwell-e brings something good to x99

transdogmifier
I'm not paying 1700+ for a CPU...just not happening
 

But just think of the bragging rights. LOL

now seeing haswell-e cost i wonder how much these will run. also how well will they clock.

expect higher core count too if 10 can fit on a square a socket-R then a socket-p is designed for more cores 
cannonlake -EP has 32 cores
sylake -EP has 28 cores
 
Skylake we might see the end of 6-core and 8 might be the bottom end

Well, I gave up on Broadwell-E due to its poor overclocking, so let's see what Skylake-E has to offer.

I agree that 16 PCI-E lanes is a tad limited but the Z170 has a 4x PCI-E controller for the bottom slot where my Z97 does not have that option. I only have x8,x8,0.

skylake -e might be $200 per core lol.

Violence.

Viper453
skylake -e might be $200 per core lol.

 
if it ends up being even a 10 core chip thats a $2000 processor. Thats ludacris pricing

Probably still cheaper then getting a Xeon for the same amount of cores

I've read a rumor (that isn't spreading, doesn't mean it isn't reliable) that enthusiasts won't get the massive LGA3467 socket, which is meant to house giant 28c-56t Xeons.  Rather the "X190" chipset will end up with an LGA2011 v4 instead, since we're only going up to 10 or 12-cores.  It is almost like a Nehalem redux in the sense they had two separate server sockets, LGA1366 and LGA1547.

That being said, plans can change and it is easier to change the microcode of a particular platform to make it usable as an enthusiast platform that redesigning a whole new silicon.

Even with Sandy Bridge, there was an LGA1356 socket with its own Xeon series up to 8c-16-thread in triple-channel DDR3, but Intel went for the higher-end socket with LGA2011 v1 and quad-channel DDR3.  I don't know why they felt they had to, it isn't like the Nehalem/Westmere X58 w/triple-channel was a hindrance against their dual-channel DDR3 counterpart in Z68/Z77.  My best guess is someone in Intel overestimated the Bulldozer threat and felt a greater distance from the last gen was better for X79, it ended up being overkill.

Let's say it isn't this time, that the Zen poses a sales threat for Broadwell-E, then hypothetically, Intel wouldn't bring back another quad-channel LGA2011 v4 for Skylake-E as if an AMD 8c-16-t with DDR4 scaling way out to 4000MHz in dual-channel would get too close, so the 6-channel bigger socket would suffice with enough distance.  

I don't know what Intel is thinking, but as long as they stay a step ahead, they win; does it really matter how far they are ahead of AMD?  People buy their stuff even when the gain is minimal, they have customers by the balls.

RandyRick
Hmm.  So the Z170 1151 is going to be a short lived dead end it might appear? Skylake will live on in name only as Skylake-E.

No, the LGA115x socket is CLIENT, it is the mainstream socket, the platform for everyone else.  The upper-end are all W/S sockets, workstation & server-- it just so happens that W/S users share the same demands as high-end gamers and enthusiasts, so Intel rebrands and unlocked a few Xeons and calls them "i7".  Intel has been doing this for the last 6 years, all the X-chipsets were on the different socket than all the P- and then Z-chipsets. Both platforms run in parallel, one doesn't succeed the other.  


FYI, Intel has some 6-7 different sockets for a multitude of platforms, and each their own succession schedule, none of them replace each other.

Violence.
See now i wish they had better motherboards for AMD stuff i would gladly run a AMD chip. Problem being all the board with the features are for Intel chips. Which i think really holds AMD back. Me personally i think Intel is insane with there prices these days. They are on pluto with some of there pricing. 

The 6950X and 6900K sold out within minutes on Newegg, despite the extremely high prices.  Intel knows what they're doing.  We should be blaming the fact that there isn't adequate competition for Intel.  We've been saying "just wait until Zen!" since last year, and still no details, let alone a release date.

Violence.
My only hope is AMD found out its amazing and tested fully and they dont want to let the cat out of the bag until release. 

Unfortunately, AMD releases are often late and purely based on hype.  We're left disappointed after a long wait, which really hurts them.  If Zen truly can compete with the likes of Skylake or even Broadwell-E, then they need to release ASAP.  Although, Intel could respond strongly with Skylake-E and Cannonlake.  Intel also has plenty of room to lower prices since they're much higher than usual at the moment.  

DarthYodi

gridironcpj
 
 
The 6950X and 6900K sold out within minutes on Newegg, despite the extremely high prices.  Intel knows what they're doing.  We should be blaming the fact that there isn't adequate competition for Intel.  We've been saying "just wait until Zen!" since last year, and still no details, let alone a release date.

Wait they were actually in stock at one point? I thought they just weren't listed yet and sold out was a placeholder until they had some stock of them. :(

I never actually saw any of them in stock, except the 6850k and 6800k.  The 6900k had "auto notify me" as an option, but then it was changed to "sold out."  It's possible they were just placeholders.  I figured they just sold out really quickly.  It wouldn't be a stretch since people threw $700 at the 1080 right away rather than waiting for a cheaper and better version (such as the FTW).

The new socket news just stopped me from buying a new system. Hopefully Intel does nvme support correctly on the new platform and we can either run nvme in raid or whatever the other solution they are working on is...optane?

Really looking forward to this. I just know zen wont be more than marginally impressive and it will take ages to get any decent am4 motherboards on the market.

EVGATech_MDecker
I wonder if enthusiasts will purchase this platform. I mean, obviously some will but I dont think it will be as popular as LGA 2011-3

 
i HIGHLY doubt this will even come close to 2011-3 socket. Unless this chip overclocks like a god and runs cool i doubt it will ever compete even with 2011 socket at the price point it sits at now. Bot everyone is a millionaire and Intel needs to realize this.