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2016/09/29 12:24:42 (permalink)
(CAUTION: RESULTS MAY VARY, USE AT YOUR OWN RISK)

Regarding windows 7/8/10.
Ok, for a long time, months even.. I scoured the internet to find any and all services that could be disabled but still allow for gaming/internet/music/streaming(netflix, etc) to get the most out of my 750 ti (and now 1080)

And it took me a LONG time to learn which services can and cannot be disabled.
After much work, I finally know what every single service does (some more than others) and which can and should not be disabled by memory.  Every single one, and I use Windows 10 Pro (which has more services than reg win 10)

I have noticed there is a severe lack of information regarding this on the internet, as.. there are a few websites here and there which tell you a "few" services you can disable, but not even close to all.

Now, I understand Black Viper may be the most complete of all of these... However, I do not understand how black viper's chart works.  I could never understand where the suggestion regarding which can be turned on or turned off appeared.  I think, possibly, Black Viper's chart is just a total explanation of each service.  I don't think it has a total reccomendation chart geared toward Gaming.

Now, I'm not going to waste my time on this if nobody wants it, becuase I have it all in memory, so there's no need for me to write/keep a notepad of it anymore.  The notepad (which is probably worth gold :)) that had all of this on it was formatted with my old computer.  DIdn't mean to do that, but I since learned that I personally don't need that chart.  I've messed with the services for so long that I have them all memorized now lol.

This and a few other windows tweaks can seriously get you over 50% more power on your computer, maybe even doubled.


Now, I'm only charging 500 dollars for my services.  HAHAHAHA just kidding.
It's free.
But, you gotta let me know if you want to do this, just reply here.  And I'll help you through disabling all the unnecessary crap without harming your computer even a single bit.




To note:  You know task scheduler?  Well, since my Windows 10 installs so fast (SSD)... I tried something, guys...
The last time I installed Windows 10... I went and I deleted EVERY single task in task scheduler.  EVERY single one, and every single folder I could.

And guess what!  No problems!  I ended up keeping that version of Windows and that's what I'm on now.  Runs much smoother without those hiccups, I hate to say but you don't need a SINGLE one of those tasks.  Well, I didn't at least.
Now, some might say you can disable Task Scheduler, but I don't think that's possible in Win 10 actually.


Well, let me know if anyone wants some free info that took a lot of hard work!





 








post edited by samnew2288 - 2016/09/29 18:50:14
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Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 12:44:44 (permalink)
I have Win 10 pro and I'd really like to know what is safe to disable. I could def use the extra 50% power!
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Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 13:03:34 (permalink)
I'd be really curious to have a look at what you have. Big question though: did you actually see a gain in gaming performance? As in, benchmarks or gaming benchmarks showing improved framerates or improved minimum framerates, frame times, or some other metric showing a real gain by doing this?

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Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 13:49:40 (permalink)
sethleigh, YES.  Because the slowest thing in my computer is the processor (i5 6400)  So, now my 6400 runs like a i&6700K would on someone who didn't mess with all the services or tweak, maybe even better.
I can tell you that I get better benchmark results with people with same GPU and much better processors, but.. I also don't have a lot of info for you there.. 

Heck yes there's an improvement, now... on ACTUAL FPS and stuff... PROBABLY, but I never compare any more.  And it's been a long time since I compared.  Because, now I just fix it all up right when I install windows, so I have nothing to compare it to.

Let's put it this way, on one website it said you could experience over 50% improvement in gaming FPS from disabling certain services.  And my method disables WAAAYYY more than that, so... yes, it probably does.

But, let me see if I can explain the difference.  You know back in the day (or maybe for you still) when computers would take time to load stuff up?  Like, internet explorer would have the load symbol then a few seconds later it would load up?
I started doing this back then, and I made a lot of computers much quicker (things would open right away when you opened them now)

Now, my computer, even though it probably wouldn't anyway... never has any loading time.  Ever.  I'm talking about in windows.
I can have 50 internet explorer browsers open, spotify, watching a movie, editing a sound project, smile game builder.. etc.. and it still runs as though it's the only program running.
So I imagine it is effecting games very much and FPS.  Yes.  But, regardless... it still is nice having a completely functional blazingly fast/instant computer.  And, i'm sure *every* member on this forum has the PC power potential to do that.

If you are waiting EVER for anything to load, and you have an SSD and pretty high end computer like mine.. then you should definitely do this.. AND other things.
I don't use windows 10 apps, so I removed them all and disabled the store as much as possible.
I removed Cortana, because I can type faster than she can search.
I edited registry items which will actually set video game priority higher, making them run faster.
I use process hacker and leave it open constantly and it has the option to not only set each processor at Highest (or real time, but dont do that.) but it also has an ability that Task Manager doesn't have, a couple actually, you can set I/O priority too!!!!!
And here's the best part about process hacker, is you can SAVE IT.  so, it remembers every program (if you click save) that you have changed the priority of and it will boot it up that way each time, just make sure you leave process hacker open.
(You can even replace the task manager with process hacker, but I don't recommend that, as the task manager is useful in other situations.  Just leave it in your tray.)
And many, many more tweaks... it took me a long time of ripping Google apart trying to find all the best ones...

Some involve Registry, some involve Group Policy, etc... But just be very careful, or back up your system before even starting any of this.
I've only made Windows unrecoverable maybe two times after 5+ years of doing this.  So, just as long as you're careful.
 
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Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 13:54:19 (permalink)
Arios, I'm trying to figure out how to do this.
I have it made as a BMP scrolling image that shows all the services,
but I don't think I can upload that much on here.
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Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 13:56:19 (permalink)
samenew2288 this is very interesting, I already backed up my OS to a storage drive so I am ready to apply your suggested tweaks. How will you go about telling us what we need to do as in will you make a simple txt file with all the instructions we can download? Or will  you type everything out here in this thread? I really want to get the most out of my systems performance so this has me jazzed about this.
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Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 13:59:32 (permalink)
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Arios, I'm trying to figure out how to do this.
I have it made as a BMP scrolling image that shows all the services,
but I don't think I can upload that much on here.


hmm if you use gmail you could upload it to dropbox or some other site you could upload it and link us to download it from?
 
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Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 13:59:36 (permalink)
Ok, Arios!  But you need to be cautious.  I will tell you that the screenshot(s) (i compiled it all as one really long screenshot)
I will tell you that I am talking to you right now with all these services disabled on this computer, internet running, music playing, can play a game at high speed if i want... all messengers work... can play movies...
Everything I can think of that *I do* I can do.  But, that may not be the same for you.

Can you tell me how to paste the image here?  it says it's too big.
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Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 14:06:11 (permalink)
Ok let me try that right now.


DOES THIS WORK?  https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7QqUgtu3bH6dTdVaDdMUlFjN2M/view
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Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 14:08:00 (permalink)
I will be cautious, I have already backed up my entire OS files on a SSD and I have a USB bootable Win 10 Pro installation. So if anything happens I will not blame you, and I will just simply reinstall my OS if need be.
 
About the image, if you have an image hosting account (I use Imgur) you can upload it there and send a HTML link here in the thread where it will direct us to your image and then we can download it or take screen shots and save them as files. Any site that let's you upload files will be fine. You can enable google drop box for Gmail here
I think going with dropbox is the best choice as we will be able to download your image file directly instead of having to take screenshots and save them as img files.
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Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 14:09:21 (permalink)
I clicked your link and it says I need permission to download it. You will have to check in your email and allow me access to download it. But it seems to be working, just need approved access.
 
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Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 14:11:24 (permalink)
meh... call me skeptical. these kind of tweaks might have made a difference 10 years ago but, with the amount of performance in today's gaming rigs, i don't see it making a dent.
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Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 14:12:36 (permalink)
 Sounds like a good read man do it
 

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Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 14:25:42 (permalink)
Hmmm...considering that at idle my CPU usage is between 0 and 1%...and that 1% is MSI Afterburner. No offense but, unless you've got something wrong with your system at most you might see a few percent increase. There is no way you're going to see 50%  to 200% increase. That just ludicrous.

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Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 14:26:38 (permalink)
Simple and SAFE way to open Windows 7, 8, 8.1 or 10 with minimal processes Microsoft Clean boot LINK
 
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/929135
 
excerpt:
A clean boot is performed to start Windows by using a minimal set of drivers and startup programs. This helps eliminate software conflicts that occur when you install a program or an update or when you run a program in Windows 10, Windows 8.1, Windows 8, Windows 7, or Windows Vista. You may also troubleshoot or determine what conflict is causing the problem by performing a clean boot.
Why software conflicts occur?
When you start Windows by using a normal startup operation, several applications and services start automatically, and then run in the background. These programs include basic system processes, antivirus software, system utility applications, and other software that has been previously installed. These applications and services can cause software conflicts.
 
How to perform a clean boot
Notes
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  • Your computer may temporarily lose some functionality when you perform a clean boot. When you start the computer normally, the functionality returns. However, you may receive the original error message, or experience the original behavior if the problem still exists.
  • If the computer is connected to a network, network policy settings may prevent you from following these steps. We strongly recommend that you do not use the System Configuration utility to change the advanced boot options on the computer unless a Microsoft support engineer directs you to do this. Doing this may make the computer unusable.Use the following steps to perform a clean boot:

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    Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 14:27:38 (permalink)
    Hmm. How can I be polite about this and not sound like a jerk? I will be blunt. DO NOT do this. This is pure snake oil and reads like those ad's on tv that promises 50-100% increase in performance. I have seen so many people in the past mess with services and completely bork their pc. Or even worse. Not boot up after. That "Black Viper" service guide is the plague and I cringe every time someone tells people to use it. You have been warned. Anyone posting to contact them directly for "tweaks" like this. Is highly suspect and a RED flag.  
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    Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 14:27:48 (permalink)
    I'm willing to give it a try. I'll run some benchmarks and gaming benchmarks before and after, with a system recovery point set before I touch a thing, of course.

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    Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 14:29:56 (permalink)
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    I'm willing to give it a try. I'll run some benchmarks and gaming benchmarks before and after, with a system recovery point set before I touch a thing, of course.


    If you check in Windows Task Manager, you'll see virtually every unused service is already stopped.

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    Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 14:32:06 (permalink)
    Arios and everyone try this link again!  I think I got it working!


    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7QqUgtu3bH6dTdVaDdMUlFjN2M/view?usp=sharing



    And yes, it's true that computers are more powerful (much more) nowadays, but... then again they have also added a bunch of new services, and the complexity of the services is greater than ever as well.
    If you had any idea how much *crap* windows was doing in the background from a fresh install, you would be disgusted.
    And you can't always seem them in task manager, because they're often scheduled or something else.

    So let's say computers are two times as fast as they were 5 years ago (this is just an example, not sure on the numbers)  well, they have also doubled the complexity and number of services in that amount of time, too.  Well, sort of.
    I donno.  But it works for me! and I have a pretty fast computer.
    And, it can also be for people with older computers.  Or people who have fast computers and also have an older computer or laptop they'd like to speed up.
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    Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 14:33:59 (permalink)
    HeavyHemi, yea, but it has to store that info somewhere, and then it will pop up and do what it wants to when it's time, possibly interrupting your game in some manner.

    I actually agree with you, HeavyHemi, in concept anyhow.  But, after having done this tweak and quite a few others... i definitely got more than 50% power boost out of my computer.  My computer never hangs on anything.
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    Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 14:37:19 (permalink)
    I got the file, your new link works. I will begin looking through it and testing. I already have my current settings and benchmarks noted. It will be interesting to see if these tweaks will help. Thanks for the upload.
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    Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 14:37:38 (permalink)
    I would be very cautious about this.
     
    It just doesn't make sense.
     
    My PC idles at 1% processor usage (OC Precision X, Corsair Link, Hardware Monitor)...I really doubt you get a 50% power boost from your computer.
     
    I agree with FattysGoneWild...this sounds like a sham...a virus opportunity...a Trojan horse key recorder opportunity...
     
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    Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 14:37:46 (permalink)
    Now, for some reason.  I have this program "Advanced System Care"  that I like pretty alright, and it often turns some of my services back on.

    Like, i think it's always turning Windows Update back on... so it may be on in that list, but I'd definitely turn Windows Update off, until you hear about a necessary windows update.  That's just me, though.

    Then, Virtual Drive is not really necessary either, but I leave that manual because I do a lot of memoization analysis with primocache and other stuff on another computer.. so i leave it on on this one for some reason.


    Also, I don't think you can disable windows defender in services, but I do have it disabled (and firewall) through registry or gpedit.msc just look up how to do it
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    Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 14:40:16 (permalink)
    Alright, alright.

    You could very well be right...

    But, this is something I adopted from when computers weren't so fast.  So, I'm just still doing it.

    But, as far as me trying to give someone a virus... no...

    Now, would it enable people to possibly have easier access to your computer?
    Maybe, but I never cared about any of that.  If someone wants to spy on what I'm doing I really don't care.  I have nothing to hide.
    I manage my finances off my personal computer entirely.  Plus, I run virus scanners, many of them.. fairly frequently.
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    Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 14:40:39 (permalink)
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    Arios and everyone try this link again!  I think I got it working!


    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7QqUgtu3bH6dTdVaDdMUlFjN2M/view?usp=sharing



    And yes, it's true that computers are more powerful (much more) nowadays, but... then again they have also added a bunch of new services, and the complexity of the services is greater than ever as well.
    If you had any idea how much *crap* windows was doing in the background from a fresh install, you would be disgusted.
    And you can't always seem them in task manager, because they're often scheduled or something else.

    So let's say computers are two times as fast as they were 5 years ago (this is just an example, not sure on the numbers)  well, they have also doubled the complexity and number of services in that amount of time, too.  Well, sort of.
    I donno.  But it works for me! and I have a pretty fast computer.
    And, it can also be for people with older computers.  Or people who have fast computers and also have an older computer or laptop they'd like to speed up.




    How about we just say that at best you might gain a percent or two, at worst you're disabling functions that quite a few need, depending upon their particular configuration. That's why these lists are basically no good.

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    Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 14:43:08 (permalink)
    It's interesting you say "these lists" , because I could never find one that even came close to completely defining what could be taken off for the things that I do on a computer.
    I never found much of a list at all that contained more than about 20 at max suggestions.



    Who knows, I may be the only person alive who would benefit from having such a barebones computer =/
    But, I don't want to hoard the info if anyone else can benefit.  I DO urge caution, though.

    I don't use any of that smart tablet, camera, bluetooth stuff etc with my gaming computer.
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    Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 14:44:33 (permalink)
    Well, you know, it's not just speed HeavyHemi... some of these services (and tasks which I did not list) will start things up and cause spikes right when you're running games.  Whether they take up actual resources or not, they can cause an interrupt in a very crucial moment upon trying to headshot someone :D
    There are other benefits, but in fact, I mostly agree with you.  It's mostly done out of past habit, and I just like keeping everything clean and manageable, and I like to know what is running on my computer.
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    Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 14:45:52 (permalink)
    Actually, it is very true that you can get 50%+ performance boost.   But, probably not on our computers.. our main rigs anyway.

    But damn, apply this list to a slow laptop or even slightly older PC (4-5 years older), then run advanced system care once or twice and you will see a huge performance boost.


    Edit:  I know this for fact from having done it so many times and people saying "OH MY GOSH what did you do the computer?? I didn't know it could run so fast!"  Lol.  But, no, these were people who did not have fast or up to date computers.


    Don't forget to look into your task scheduler as well, I found I needed *nothing* from that.  and there's some 100 tasks in there you may not have even known about that your computer is routinely running.

    For people trying to get every single frame they can, this would also be valuable.  There are some gurus like that.




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    Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 14:53:07 (permalink)
    no, this is not snake oil or whatever.
    I may have got some of this info from some snake oil int he pasts, but me? no.. im not trying to sell anything or trick anyone.
    no offense taken, since i know what im trying to do by my actions.
    BUT, isn't even a few percent of an increase worth it?  Plus, cleaning up yoru computer from things you don't use anyway?
    Regardless of resources, why would you want something running that you never use?

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    Well, it's whatever.  Everyone do this stuff at your own risk, of course.  Be very cautious.  Just take from the list what would benefit you.

    Just trying to help.   AGAIN.  USE THE LIST AT YOUR OWN RISK.  BACK UP BACK UP BACK UP IF YOU CAN.
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    Re: I'd like to offer fellow EVGA fans something. (Getting the most out of your 1080) 2016/09/29 14:55:04 (permalink)
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    I'm willing to give it a try. I'll run some benchmarks and gaming benchmarks before and after, with a system recovery point set before I touch a thing, of course.


    If you check in Windows Task Manager, you'll see virtually every unused service is already stopped.

    That's a good point. I'll check it out. Windows services is something I know very little about. I won't try anything without some research first, but I'm feeling more cautious as this thread develops.

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