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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 10:55:08
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Look at this chart http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=1355&game=Tomb%20Raider Game Specifications Each place you go will show something different so now it is all about who writes the better web page review. I will say that 3GB for most games is a minimal amount of VRam for good gamming @1920x1080 2GB will work fine in most games at the lowest settings for most games that are 2 or 3 years old. Now 4GB is the mean as no one sales 3GB cards that I know of.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 10:59:03
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himmatsj Guys, I am NOT speaking about performance gains. I know there are literally no performance gains 4GB vs 2GB.
And old benchmarks are not suitable, especially Crysis 3, to show importance of high VRAM.
What I want to know is, if I am hitting my VRAM limits in an open world game like Rise of the Tomb Raider at 1080p for 2Gb version which inevitably results in stutter due to lack of VRAM, will a 4GB model make a difference in this case?
Yes, a 4gb will make a difference, but the card would pretty much tank after 2gb.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 11:17:54
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Guys, watch this video. See how much more apparent the stutters are in 2GB version, hardly visible on 4GB. The future has more games like Rise of the Tomb Raider coming. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iA-vOSAsOhs
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 11:22:56
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himmatsj Guys, watch this video. See how much more apparent the stutters are in 2GB version, hardly visible on 4GB. The future has more games like Rise of the Tomb Raider coming. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iA-vOSAsOhs
As I have stated above go with 4GB. I would never buy a new Graphics Card with less then 4GB of VRAM if that card was going to be used to play computer games. If you are building an Office Computer running MS Office Products then a 1GB or 2GB card would work fine.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 11:26:49
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himmatsj Guys, watch this video. See how much more apparent the stutters are in 2GB version, hardly visible on 4GB. The future has more games like Rise of the Tomb Raider coming. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iA-vOSAsOhs
you're missing the point. You will be capable of achieving 4gb. Stutter is one thing (which is not apparent on the 4gb card) performance is another. you will start losing FPS (by a lot) once you go over 2gb due to the 128bit bus.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 11:33:39
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himmatsj Guys, watch this video. See how much more apparent the stutters are in 2GB version, hardly visible on 4GB. The future has more games like Rise of the Tomb Raider coming. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iA-vOSAsOhs
you're missing the point. You will be capable of achieving 4gb. Stutter is one thing (which is not apparent on the 4gb card) performance is another. you will start losing FPS (by a lot) once you go over 2gb due to the 128bit bus.
That's not true. According to the video, the 4GB also has a higher average non-stutter framerate.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 11:33:57
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I would recommend for your Current Computer (Inspiron 660) that that you have. They will vent the heat out the rear of the case. Low End P/N: 04G-P4-3960-KR EVGA GeForce GTX 960 4GB GAMING - 1127MHz Base Clock
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Warranty: 3 Years Mid Range P/N: 04G-P4-1972-KR EVGA GeForce GTX 970 SC GAMING- 1140MHz Base Clock
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 11:35:32
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himmatsj Guys, watch this video. See how much more apparent the stutters are in 2GB version, hardly visible on 4GB. The future has more games like Rise of the Tomb Raider coming. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iA-vOSAsOhs
you're missing the point. You will be capable of achieving 4gb. Stutter is one thing (which is not apparent on the 4gb card) performance is another. you will start losing FPS (by a lot) once you go over 2gb due to the 128bit bus.
That's not true. According to the video, the 4GB also has a higher average non-stutter framerate.
Ok. Good luck to you sir.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 12:05:44
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I am confused. I moved this thread over to the power supply forum for a power supply topic, but 99% of the topic seems to be a back and forth about the 960, and nothing about power supplies anymore.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 12:13:21
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It originally started out about PSUs, then it moved over to questions regarding the 960 and 2gb vs 4gb. He's looking into getting a 960.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 12:16:35
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More of a General Hardware topic now. LOL We don't care. You ask, we answer no matter where you decide to put it.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 19:56:37
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Ok guys, I just want to ask again, between the single-fan GTX 960 SC and dual-fan GTX 960 SSC, which releases more heat? Is the difference small, or large? Will it pose any danger to other components in my PC? I have a single-fan GTX 750 SC that has an aggressive factory over clock, can I expect similar heat release, or far greater for the GTX 960? Linking the picture of the inside of my case again so you can see its size and cooling. http://i42.tinypic.com/2144k5i.jpgThanks!
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/25 23:08:57
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And guys, another question about the PSU. If I buy the new PSU, like EVGA 500B or 500W or 430W, will this cause more heat inside my PC case? Based on the linked image of the PC inside of the casing, do you think it will pose a problem? How can I tell if the size of the 500B or 500W will fit in my casing? Is it same size as my current PSU?
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/26 04:56:37
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himmatsj And guys, another question about the PSU. If I buy the new PSU, like EVGA 500B or 500W or 430W, will this cause more heat inside my PC case? Based on the linked image of the PC inside of the casing, do you think it will pose a problem? How can I tell if the size of the 500B or 500W will fit in my casing? Is it same size as my current PSU?
You'll need to measure your old PSU and compare the measurements to the EVGA PSU you are going to use to replace it. Even if it is a little longer it looks like you have plenty of room in your case. Mounting holes for a PSU are pretty much standardized so no problem there. The fan on the PSU will exhaust the hot air out the back so, no, it won't make it hotter inside your case. http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=100-B1-0500-KR
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/26 08:04:36
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himmatsj Ok guys, I just want to ask again, between the single-fan GTX 960 SC and dual-fan GTX 960 SSC, which releases more heat? Is the difference small, or large? Will it pose any danger to other components in my PC? I have a single-fan GTX 750 SC that has an aggressive factory over clock, can I expect similar heat release, or far greater for the GTX 960?
Linking the picture of the inside of my case again so you can see its size and cooling. http://i42.tinypic.com/2144k5i.jpg
Thanks!
P/N: 04G-P4-3960-KR EVGA GeForce GTX 960 4GB GAMING the two you have listed blow the hot air into the case not out the rear or out of the case. http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=02G-P4-2962-KR GTX 960 SC This one will blow hot air inside the case and out the rear http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=02G-P4-2966-KR GTX 960 SSC This one will blow hot air inside the case
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/26 11:16:39
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The ACX card, though, does push out hot air out of the back as well, the one with 2 fans. I confirm this.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/26 15:39:37
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stalinx20 The ACX card, though, does push out hot air out of the back as well, the one with 2 fans. I confirm this.
@ stalinx20 What Model Number are you talking about? The Air Flow is up out the top and out the bottom of the card
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/26 18:08:25
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I myself have a 4GB EVGA GTX 960 FTW card and have hit well over 2GB in some games. Never even considered 2GB. Nvidia set the standard at 4GB when they launched the 900 series. Just get the 4GB SSC or FTW and call it a day. You will be pleased. Plenty of space in that case. These cards run super cool as it is. I have a HP Envy Phoenix desktop with said card earlier. That case is nothing special and its just fine. Even with temps.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/26 21:44:12
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stalinx20 The ACX card, though, does push out hot air out of the back as well, the one with 2 fans. I confirm this.
@stalinx20 What Model Number are you talking about? The Air Flow is up out the top and out the bottom of the card
Well, when I put my hand on the back of my case where the GPUs are, I can clearly feel heat coming out of them from the back exhaust. So, I'm not sure what else to say here...
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/27 09:21:43
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I may have lost it reading through here as this goes all over the place (apologies if this is the case), but are you sure it will fit? A lot of those Dell cases have proprietary PSU components and the cases won't always accept another power supply. If you already did the measurements and/or you are comfortable with drilling any alignment holes then you are obviously good to go.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/27 09:22:57
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I would go no less then 500w. Mine has that. As for the version. Not sure. I would imagine the more expensive one might be a bit better? They seem almost the same......
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/27 09:26:03
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stalinx20 Well, when I put my hand on the back of my case where the GPUs are, I can clearly feel heat coming out of them from the back exhaust. So, I'm not sure what else to say here...
It's called positive pressure. If you have positive pressure heat will come out of every single space that air can escape. The back of all of the cards are open, so the pressure from inside the case will come out at the back of the cards. If you set up negative pressure, it will vacuum air in from the same exact spot. Positive pressure is always preferred.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/27 09:53:20
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CoercionShaman I may have lost it reading through here as this goes all over the place (apologies if this is the case), but are you sure it will fit? A lot of those Dell cases have proprietary PSU components and the cases won't always accept another power supply. If you already did the measurements and/or you are comfortable with drilling any alignment holes then you are obviously good to go.
Wow man are you serious? I never did any measurements, but people were telling me it's a standard size that will fit. I linked the image of the inside of the case of the PC in OP. Can you please kindly look at it and let me know? Would hate to buy and then realize it don't work. I am not comfortable drilling holes and what not.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
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himmatsj Guys, I have now come down to the 500B or 500W by EVGA. For my use case scenario, where I have a very mediocre stock PC build and am throwing in a GTX 960 in it, which would be sufficient? I am NOT planning to do and overclocking, everything at present runs as it does in stock mode. http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=100-B1-0500-KR http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=100-W1-0500-KR Please advice me on the pro and cons of each of the PSUs I linked above. Thanks! Edit: Also, what about the 430W? It's even cheaper. Would this be fine for my use case?
Cheaper is not always better in the long run 2-3 year run that is. The Con is the PSU you are looking at are just that cheap, so you should also go with a cheap video card for such an old low end computer. Get the EVGA SuperNOVA 550 GS Power Supply P/N: 220-GS-0550-V1 $85 Gold Rated PSU. $74.99 on Amazon. And you get a free game with this PSU. A Good PSU + Good GPU = Happy User. himmatsj
CoercionShaman I may have lost it reading through here as this goes all over the place (apologies if this is the case), but are you sure it will fit? A lot of those Dell cases have proprietary PSU components and the cases won't always accept another power supply. If you already did the measurements and/or you are comfortable with drilling any alignment holes then you are obviously good to go.
Wow man are you serious? I never did any measurements, but people were telling me it's a standard size that will fit.
I linked the image of the inside of the case of the PC in OP. Can you please kindly look at it and let me know? Would hate to buy and then realize it don't work. I am not comfortable drilling holes and what not.
I have put in two different Standard ATX PSU in my Dad's Inspiron 660 computer. What I found for the best fit was a Full Modular PSU
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/27 10:41:38
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I should add that whatever PSU you get make sure that the 24-Pin Power Cable can be spit out to a 20-Pin and 4-Pin connector.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/27 11:14:08
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I think I will settle at the 430W PSU Evga W1. Got good reviews on Amazon, and I have calculated my system power draw and it should be no more than 250W at max power draw with a GTX 960 in it. Connectors:- 1 x 24 Pin ATX
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This will be enough right for the build above?
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/27 11:22:17
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It looks good for having a 20+4-pin motherboard connector.
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
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Ok, and how much difficulty would I have to remove the old PSU and insert the W1 EVGA PSU? Must I make my own adjustments etc? Or will it fit right in with the old PSU?
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Re: How easy is it to replace the PSU in a stock Dell PC?
2016/04/27 14:51:46
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Snip the cable ties and remove all of the cables from the old PSU. Remove the four screws from the back of the old PSU and remove it. Place the new PSU in place and tighten the screws. You'll probably want the fan facing down unless there is an intake on top of the case. Attach the new cables and secure them with new zip ties.
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