robr32
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I built my new system over the weekend, last night I load the OS, MB drivers, Etc I have a 1Tb SATA III drive in a USB 3.0 enclosure, I plug that in..OS finds it fine, I can see and copy data to it But when I rebooted the system, I get the " Repair install or boot normally " options, either one does not work So I reformatted and went thru everything again figuring something got hosed up, same deal...plug in the USB 3.0 enclosure and get stopped again This this time I was able to do a system restore because I had thought " Umm, maybe this time I will make a RESTORE POINT " !!...Haha Any ideas?? Could it be because it is a SATA III drive IN a USB 3.0 enclosure??
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Re: Here is something odd?? ( EVGA X99 Classified )
2014/09/15 12:16:00
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Do you have the disk in when you are booting?
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robr32
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Re: Here is something odd?? ( EVGA X99 Classified )
2014/09/15 13:31:32
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Re: Here is something odd?? ( EVGA X99 Classified )
2014/09/15 13:56:12
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The USB disk may have been used in a previous system and been attached to that system when the OS was loaded, if so, that USB device may have an MBR which can definitely keep you from rebooting with this device plugged in. Ive seen this happen with secondary hard drives, USB devices, as Windows does not really look at where it drops the MBR. That is one possibility if I am understanding your issue correctly.
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Re: Here is something odd?? ( EVGA X99 Classified )
2014/09/15 14:31:53
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Umm, interesting... When I get home I wil blow it away and reformat the drive & see what happens, it was a used drive I picked up Maybe it does have a old MBR on it Thanks for the idea :-)
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Re: Here is something odd?? ( EVGA X99 Classified )
2014/09/15 16:40:23
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No problem, for removing MBR, make sure you remove the partition not just format, or it will not resolve the problem.
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Re: Here is something odd?? ( EVGA X99 Classified )
2014/09/16 17:21:13
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If you need help doing a low level clean or format on the drive, I recommend using Disk part(build into windows). Try Googling for it, and find a guide that runs you through the commands. You might not need to go that far, but if you do, give it a try. As EVGATech_DaveB has already mentioned I too have seen issues like this. Whenever I do a clean install of Windows I make sure any secondary drives are not attached to the system. Said differently, just attach the drive you plan to install your OS on first, once you get everything installed and drivers loaded, plug the remaining drives into the system. This does include any internal Sata drives you use as well. Otherwise Windows marks these drives, and will download updates to them, and use them as a place to "expand" updates and load them to your C:\ drive. It creates these weird folders on the secondary drives that are not so easy to delete.
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Re: Here is something odd?? ( EVGA X99 Classified )
2014/09/17 11:57:46
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@corndogg18 The worst instances of that I have seen was one back in the Windows 2000 era, a zip drive that was smaller than the OS installer kept the OS from being loaded, it say the HDD just saw this also and stopped the install. And on an old NForce board, I think a 750 or 780, someone was charging their iphone during the OS load, then later the system wouldn't boot to OS, that was a long difficult call, finally found out it was plugged in, plugged it back in, bam into windows. Someone in support said that was impossible, so we tried it on a test system, this was in 2008 or 2009 same problem (maybe new iphones with new IOS might not let that happen now) and because of that, all I have plugged in is my drive with the OS on it, the boot drive, Keyboard, mouse and that's it. I have just seen too many weird things. Heck a friend told me is had that happen to him with his droid phone and a linux distro he was messing with, granted knowing him, he did weird stuff to his phone too.....
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Re: Here is something odd?? ( EVGA X99 Classified )
2014/09/17 17:38:04
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I suppose the system sees the phone's storage as available memory and flags it usable. I have never seen it happen with a phone, but seen it happen plenty of times with secondary hard drives off all types and sizes. It's just good practice to install OS on 1 drive only and add in secondary's once you are done with driver installations.
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Re: Here is something odd?? ( EVGA X99 Classified )
2014/09/18 22:31:23
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I ended up just getting another enclosure that has a ESATA connection and bypassed the whole USB 3.0 interface Just plugged the esata panel in a open slot in the back of the PC, ran the internal SATA cable to one of the SATA III ports and away we go :-) Works great now :-)
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Re: Here is something odd?? ( EVGA X99 Classified )
2014/09/19 10:02:51
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Glad that got it resolved! Odd that the USB3 side gave you trouble, never had issues with it personally. corndogg18 I suppose the system sees the phone's storage as available memory and flags it usable. I have never seen it happen with a phone, but seen it happen plenty of times with secondary hard drives off all types and sizes. It's just good practice to install OS on 1 drive only and add in secondary's once you are done with driver installations.
That's what I figured too, for the customer I can imagine how frustrating that must have been, although he did chuckle a bit once we figured it out, to me the problem just seemed so ridiculous, I would think an OS would have a safeguard against that, or just make it SOP to put the MBR on the drive you are installing to, or make it manually selectable, but it's not. So, I do what you recommended as well, only plug in my OS drive and the source drive for the installer (DVD/USB) then add everything else after the fact.
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Re: Here is something odd?? ( EVGA X99 Classified )
2014/09/19 10:29:44
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EVGATech_DaveB The USB disk may have been used in a previous system and been attached to that system when the OS was loaded, if so, that USB device may have an MBR which can definitely keep you from rebooting with this device plugged in. Ive seen this happen with secondary hard drives, USB devices, as Windows does not really look at where it drops the MBR. That is one possibility if I am understanding your issue correctly.
I have experienced this and learned my lesson. I have only the primary drive installed and connected when installing Windows on any system build / re-build now -- adding the additional volume(s) after install. Aside from avoiding Windows creeping onto the MBR of other volumes, it helps reduce the amount of variables when troubleshooting if it comes to that, etc...
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