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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2012/11/02 15:02:17
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2012/11/02 15:03:21
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2012/11/02 15:06:25
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Using the install guide on H and with the kraken running on the 2P systems I'm running dropped them by over 1 min per fold time, which increased the PPD by a bit. This is on 2x Xeon X5650s with only Turbo turned on (can't OC since there isn't settings on the blades) and I'm getting 29:40 TPF from 31:xx TPF it was before Kraken. Just wanted to share my experiences if it helps any.
Main PC- HAF-X - ASUS Sabertooth x79 - i7 3820 - GTX680 2nd PC - HAF-XM - EVGA P55 SLI - i5-750 3.2GHZ - GTX480 SLI 3rd PC - Antec 900 - ASUS P5N32SLI - E6600 - GTX260_216CORE 
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2012/11/02 15:28:30
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rklapp
The H guide wallows in despair and sadness. My Ubuntu guide is much better but I haven't updated it for quite some time, ever since they got rid of the single cpu bigadv.
http://forums.evga.com/tm.aspx?m=976045&mpage=1
Sorry but i have to disagree, whilst yours is easy to read it does not cover any of the additional extra's that a hardcore folder would be looking for. No mention of BFS or not for inte/amdl machines, no mention of Langouste, no mention of connecting to your linux boxen via ssh or shared folders, Skype, DVD watching and nvidia drivers are not necessary for a linux folding box and gpu folding under linux is iffy at best. Not knocking the effort but even other team's recommend the guide on [H] for its completeness, and ease of use.
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2012/11/02 20:02:42
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just double checking, around what OC do I need in order to run -bigadv on a 8 core/16 thread sr-2 setup?
3.8GHz or faster if you can. My 5620s are stable at 3.8G, but anything faster and they're unstable for Folding. Here's my thread on completing the 8101 Bigadv on my 8-core/16-thread SR-2.
http://forums.evga.com...=1730933&high=sr-2
darn  . I could never get it folding stable past 3.6 ghz, so no -bigadv for me. sorry punchy  it will still be folding regular SMP units though.
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2012/11/02 20:30:08
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Sorry but i have to disagree, whilst yours is easy to read it does not cover any of the additional extra's that a hardcore folder would be looking for. No mention of BFS or not for inte/amdl machines, no mention of Langouste, no mention of connecting to your linux boxen via ssh or shared folders, Skype, DVD watching and nvidia drivers are not necessary for a linux folding box and gpu folding under linux is iffy at best.
Not knocking the effort but even other team's recommend the guide on [H] for its completeness, and ease of use.
That's why their guide wallows in despair and sadness. It's too cumbersome. I couldn't get BFS to work (using the H guide) and the Skype, DVD, etc. is just extra that I included by request. I included the gpu stuff as an FYI because others were asking about it. I could never get the gpu to work (and I believe no one else can) so Ubuntu is perfect for the multicpu folks.
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2012/11/03 04:00:20
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2012/12/12 17:59:20
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Okay, I have the VR box 1.5.0 set up. I installed it on my SSD and selected SSD in the settings (not in your guide). I also installed BFS (not in your guide). The core successfully engaged at 100% but it made everything else useless including the gpus. It took literally 30 seconds to do anything so I shut it down. What do I do to make my system usable while folding smp? http://www.linuxforge.net...ing/fah-virtualbox.php
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2012/12/12 19:37:20
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Jeez, where's Wolf when you need him... Here's what I've done so far. I switched to 7 cores (yes I know it's not stable but I'm trying it out) and it's better. I was hoping to compare to the 8 cores I was running in V7. I have HFM hooked up but I it doesn't show ppd (yet), just the % completed. Edit: now it's showing about the same ppd as V7. It's hard to compare with all of the different wu performance.
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2012/12/12 20:46:50
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Jeez, where's Wolf when you need him...
Here's what I've done so far. I switched to 7 cores (yes I know it's not stable but I'm trying it out) and it's better. I was hoping to compare to the 8 cores I was running in V7.
I have HFM hooked up but I it doesn't show ppd (yet), just the % completed.
Edit: now it's showing about the same ppd as V7. It's hard to compare with all of the different wu performance.
Did you setup a fresh install of some Linux or did you use the image Linux64_FAH-1.5.0.7z? Reason I ask is it sounds like you setup a new install to the SSD. When setting up New type Linux64_FAH as shown in the picture below. The OS & version options will auto change to the correct settings. Next set the amount of memory to allow. On the next screen you will pick use existing hard drive. Browse to were you unpacked Linux64_FAH.vdi and pick the file. SS #2 Then next click create. You should end up with something that looks like the 3rd picture. Click start and your on your way. The terminal will start it will have instructions with IP address & how to start FAH. You should be able to use all cores if setup like I've shown here without any slug-estness. I'd only allow about 3gb for memory max. Edit: add SS
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2012/12/12 22:49:24
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Did you setup a fresh install of some Linux or did you use the image Linux64_FAH-1.5.0.7z? 1.5.0 Reason I ask is it sounds like you setup a new install to the SSD. SSD When setting up New type Linux64_FAH as shown in the picture below. yep The OS & version options will auto change to the correct settings. yep Next set the amount of memory to allow. 3gb On the next screen you will pick use existing hard drive. yep Browse to were you unpacked Linux64_FAH.vdi and pick the file. SS #2 yep Then next click create. You should end up with something that looks like the 3rd picture. yep Click start and your on your way. The terminal will start it will have instructions with IP address & how to start FAH. yep You should be able to use all cores if setup like I've shown here without any slug-estness. yep I'd only allow about 3gb for memory max. yep I restarted the VB and tried the 8 cores again with the sluggishness again. Perhaps I'll try it for awhile and see if the ppd changes that much. I used to use the VMware before but can't remember if I used 7 or 8 cores. This was back a year ago when they allowed BA wus on 8 core machines and I'd get 70k ppd on my i7-2600. If I understand, the advmethods flag doesn't do anything these days. I looked at the smp server stats page and didn't see anything with an A that didn't have a F. We talked about bigbeta a long time ago, so I think it's common knowledge. Thanks for the help. There's one difference but i don't know if it's a big deal. I noticed that I'm running the A3 core instead of the hybrid A4 core.
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2012/12/13 07:21:39
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More updates. I switched back to V7 smp-8 and getting 17k ppd with no sluggishness. This is compared to the 21k ppd I got with VB smp-7 with little sluggishness.
I realized that I hadn't included client-type/advanced for the V7 smp but this didn't make a difference this morning. I'm still getting the hybrid A4 wus. There has discussions about getting different wus between V6 and V7 and here's an example with the A3 wu I got from VB.
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2012/12/13 07:53:06
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The A3 WU is the one to get, the 19xx point. I'm now seeing a bit of sluggishness on my 8th laptop. I think this is due to the use of v7 rather than VB, when using v6 for GPU I didn't have this. I'll double check this when this WU finishes. BTW you get same WU for GPU with v6. Edit: The sluggishness on this laptop is caused by the GPU folding. As soon as I pause the GPU in v7 it goes away. Stopping SMP made no difference if GPU was still folding. So in my case here its all the GPU causing the sluggishness. I'll test v6 next with GPU and report back. Unfortunately that will not be for another 8hrs when the GPU WU finishes on this laptop. I may can test on one of the other rigs before then.
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2012/12/13 08:16:13
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Perhaps I'll try VMware again. I still have the image file. I remember there was a certain version that worked with folding. Anyone know which it is?
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2012/12/13 08:25:41
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You should be able to use those old images in Virtual box the same as VMware.
Only difference I seen between the two was Virtual Box allows more CPU cores than VM
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2012/12/13 11:58:37
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v3.0.0 works with 8 cores, all others are restricted to 4
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2013/01/04 05:24:29
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TheWolf, Did you use the VB images from linuxrouter for foldinv on e5620? What did you choose to boot into? 5620s are westmere cpus, but there is not an option for that in Lilo. I went with SandyB, just because they are both 32nm, but I don't quite get full CPU utilization. Previous running on fedora it would do 60-70%, now about 95-98%, but still not as good as straight windows, where it's stable 99% utilization of all 16 cores.
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2013/01/04 06:57:01
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TheWolf,
Did you use the VB images from linuxrouter for foldinv on e5620?
What did you choose to boot into? 5620s are westmere cpus, but there is not an option for that in Lilo.
I went with SandyB, just because they are both 32nm, but I don't quite get full CPU utilization.
Previous running on fedora it would do 60-70%, now about 95-98%, but still not as good as straight windows, where it's stable 99% utilization of all 16 cores.
This is the image I used: Linux64_FAH-1.5.0.7z for CPU from the list its the 1st option Nehalem. For VB 95-98% is about all you'll see for utilization of the cores. If trying to do BigAdv WU's 16 cores @ 3.8Ghz or better to complete within the bonus plus be dedicated to folding only. Native Linux will get full utilization of all core and buy you more time to complete BA. You may want to just run regular SMP when running VB and a Linux image.
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2013/01/04 07:18:33
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Also If you decide to use VB to fold in, you will want to setup & use TheKraken witch will improve your TPF and return times. TheKraken is part of the image and already installed. After download of the folding core, stop folding "CTRL+C", you would then run ./thekraken -i to wrap the core, restart folding ./fah6 -smp. Edit: I will say my main reason to use VB & a image on my 16 core SR2 is to get the type of work units that you can only get with Linux witch give a little better PPD than standard Windows SMP WU's. I don't work BigAdv on that 16 core rig as it will not finish in time for the bonus @ 3.5Ghz 2xL5520's. BigAdv will complete for bonus on my SR2 with E5645+E5620 @ 3.7Ghz, but that is with 20 cores in VB. I was able to cut almost 2 full minutes off each frame by going to Native Linux on the 20 core rig plus with the extra help from the use of thekraken. Went from 30mins TPF to 28mins TPF.
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2013/01/04 08:19:10
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I restarted folding with Kraken wrapped around it to see if that helps. I only have 16 cores due to 2xe5620s.
Unfortunately I can't go native Linux since box is used for other windows only things :)
I will let this 8101 finish up and then probably will just try regular smp with no bigadv, because it won't get any bonus points based on estimation so far.
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2013/01/04 08:25:09
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Ya clock speeds has to be pretty high to complete 8101 on 16 cores with no disturbance of any kind. TPF I believe has to be around 32mins or less to complete for the bonus. If you have a slow upload speed like me it can take up to 30mins to upload the finished WU. That upload time will also cut into the bonus time.
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2013/01/04 08:42:03
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Oh if your not to far into that BA WU, now would be the time to stop and change the flag from -bigadv to just ./fah6 -betateam -smp.  So if your not around when it finishes it will not pick up another BA. Most likely it will pick up something like this: Project ID: 8518 Core: GRO-A3 Credit: 1950 Name: SR2-16 Number of Frames Observed: 210 Min. Time / Frame : 00:06:39 - 42,643.9 PPD Avg. Time / Frame : 00:06:43 - 42,010.5 PPD Cur. Time / Frame : 00:06:45 - 41,515.1 PPD Edit: once it downloads a A3 core thekraken will need to be ran again if the A3 core has not been downloaded yet so it can wrap the A3 core as it has done the A5 core when used.
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2013/01/04 08:57:21
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Yeah lol I run stock 2xE5620 :) so no bonus points of any kind lol
I already restarted the client with just -smp 16 so it won't get bigadv going forward. Is -betateam like advanced methods or something?
Good info on A3 core need re-wrapped with Kraken. Didn't even think about that!
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2013/01/04 08:58:53
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I actually have 2 boxes, each with 2xE5620 - I wish I could combine them into single 32 core folding VM LOL
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2013/01/04 09:06:49
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I actually have 2 boxes, each with 2xE5620 - I wish I could combine them into single 32 core folding VM LOL
There may be a way, see my cluster post here in the fah forum. I didn't try testing, looked over my head. lol Plus I didn't want the down time it would take for all the experimenting it might take to get it working.
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2013/01/04 09:10:50
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Yeah lol I run stock 2xE5620 :) so no bonus points of any kind lol
I already restarted the client with just -smp 16 so it won't get bigadv going forward. Is -betateam like advanced methods or something?
Good info on A3 core need re-wrapped with Kraken. Didn't even think about that!
If you use just -smp it could get the same type Wu's as a W7 client.
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2013/01/05 01:42:24
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2013/01/05 17:56:06
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Pic fail
huh? Lost me there.
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Re:Help with setup for -bigadv on SR2
2013/01/05 19:14:56
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I tried to post a picture but it didn't work. 8^P
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