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Gtx 650 / 650 Ti tdp question

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2012/10/12 08:50:39 (permalink)
I`m about to buy a GTX 650 or 650 ti. I`m currently running a gt 440 my question is about the 650 ti`s tdp. The non ti version has a 64w tdp (1 watt lower than my current gpu) and the Ti version has a max tdp of 110w. I know my computer can handle the non ti version but for 40$ and extra performance i rather buy the ti version if my computer can handle it.
These are my pc specs:
Intel Core 2 Duo 2.8 Ghz
3G Ram (i will upgrade to 4g)
Windows 7 32 bit (i will upgrade to 64 bit)
400w Antec PSU 30A on the 12V rail
 
CPU-Z (cpuid) says my CPU has a max tdp of 65w i was wondering if that is the max tdp i can run on a gpu or is it not relevant? Any help or information you provide is appreciate it.
post edited by jc333 - 2012/10/12 10:30:40
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    EVGA_JacobF
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    Re:Gtx 650 / 650 Ti tdp question 2012/10/12 22:23:08 (permalink)
    CPU TDP is not relevant to GPU.
     
    660 Ti will be fine, but for next upgrade I would recommend looking at a CPU upgrade, it will allow the card to fully stretch its legs :)


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    Re:Gtx 650 / 650 Ti tdp question 2012/10/12 22:55:09 (permalink)
    EVGA_JacobF

    CPU TDP is not relevant to GPU.

    660 Ti will be fine, but for next upgrade I would recommend looking at a CPU upgrade, it will allow the card to fully stretch its legs :)

     
    You derp Jacob, he was talking about the 650(ti). Anyway his point is still valid, you really should get a new cpu... But I think a 650Ti will pair nicely with a Core2Duo if you only play games like minecraft and stuff like that.

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    Re:Gtx 650 / 650 Ti tdp question 2012/10/12 23:06:22 (permalink)
    TDP is Thermal Design Power. TDP does not run on anything. It is the heat output of the chip itself. I see lehpron is in the thread, if he posts he will be able to explain better than me.

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    Re:Gtx 650 / 650 Ti tdp question 2012/10/12 23:49:03 (permalink)
    Since GTX650 is just an overclocked GT640 by specs, a GT640 is approximately 50% faster than your GT440.  It isn't enough of a performance increase to warranty requiring a change or upgrade in your CPU.  But, GTX650 Ti has twice the specs and nets as much as an 80% improvement-- and this was done with a more recent processor, because the CPU runs the game and tells the GPU what to draw.  Not that you won't see a gain, you'll definitely see a gain; but as long as you play GPU-intensive (single high-res display and high details) you should be fine.  
     
    Just to make sure, both 650/650 Ti require an external 6-pin power cable, or two available 4-pin molex using the included Y-adapter cable with the graphics card, unlike the GT440 which didn't need additional power.   GT640 doesn't need additional power, so you could get that if your PSU didn't have extra cables, otherwise you will need a better PSU for the other cards.
     
    The following is more of an FYI: 
     
    TDP is short for "Thermal Dissipation Power", for CPU's it refers to a heat category for multiple processors to qualify for the same OEM cooler type.  It has absolutely nothing to do with the electrical consumption of the processor, and commonly incorrectly referred to as electrical draw.  True TDP values will vary with frequency, cache, cores and the lithography (transistor size).
     
    With regards to graphics cards, there is only two numbers of interest to anyone: Board power and System Power.  Board power is actual usage, or rather the design load at reference frequencies.  System power is defined as nVidia making up a configuration and adds the card and quotes the PSU used.   Because nVidia does not tell us the specs of this system, the "System Power Requirement" wattage number is technically meaningless.  It is only for liability; that if anything somehow goes wrong with the card and your PSU is less than recommended, you run the risk of losing warranty.
     
    So despite the system requirement for GTX650 Ti being 400W and you're on the edge, because your parts aren't overclocked, you've got an overhead and you're fine with either card.
    post edited by lehpron - 2012/10/12 23:54:55

    For Intel processors, 0.122 x TDP = Continuous Amps at 12v [source].  

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    Re:Gtx 650 / 650 Ti tdp question 2012/10/13 00:41:55 (permalink)
    Thank you very much for the information!!! and yes my PSU has a 6 pin connector, i have this PSU  (i cant seem to post links) its an Antec NEO ECO 400C 400w Continuous power ATX 12v, its on new egg.
     
    I`ll buy the 650 ti and see how my psu handles if something goes wrong then ill just buy the same psu but the 520w version. My core 2 duo actually plays modern games relatively well, Bf3 for example with my current set up runs mid/high settings in 1080p with no AA.  Anything else you think i should know before i pull the trigger on the 650 ti?
     
    You also mentioned how upgrading to the 640 wouldnt be much of an upgrade and i totally agree which is why i first decided on the gtx 650 superclocked but since the ti version came out  i thought that for $30 extra bucks i can get almost twice the performance of the gtx 650. As long as my computer can handle it i`ll buy it and again thank you for taking your time and replying to my thread :).
    post edited by jc333 - 2012/10/13 00:50:16
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    Re:Gtx 650 / 650 Ti tdp question 2012/10/13 09:16:43 (permalink)
    Your PS can handle a GTX 650 Ti.  It uses at most 10w more power at maximum than your current GT 440 (and that's inconsequential).
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    Re:Gtx 650 / 650 Ti tdp question 2012/10/13 19:09:54 (permalink)
    nice thats really good news,i`m buying my card monday.
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    Re:Gtx 650 / 650 Ti tdp question 2012/10/14 10:11:15 (permalink)
    You might want to get a decent HSF (if you don't have one already) and OC your CPU as well.
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    Re:Gtx 650 / 650 Ti tdp question 2012/10/14 10:18:28 (permalink)
    My cpu has a hsf already but its stock.
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    Re:Gtx 650 / 650 Ti tdp question 2012/10/14 11:42:50 (permalink)
    jc333, if you don't mind, can you post back here once you get your 650ti and tell me what your BF3 performance is like? I have an old rig with a E6600 and no GPU, I'm kinda wondering what the performance would be with a 650Ti in it.
     
    jc333 

    My cpu has a hsf already but its stock. 
     
    From my experience, the old heatsinks that used to come with the LGA775 sockets were pretty good. I have this stock one for my E6600 and I can OC it from 2.4 to 3.0ghz and barley break 60c under prime95 load in a horribly ventilated case.

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    Re:Gtx 650 / 650 Ti tdp question 2012/10/14 14:26:13 (permalink)
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    My cpu has a hsf already but its stock.

    You can usual overclock a little with a stock Intel HSF, but nearly as well as with an aftermarket one (which is usually $25-40 for a good one like a Coolermaster Hyper 212+).  http://www.newegg.com/Pro...=N82E16835103065  It might worth investigating since C2 Duos are decent overclockers.
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    Re:Gtx 650 / 650 Ti tdp question 2012/10/15 15:55:18 (permalink)
    I dont mind at all, actually i just ordered mine it should be getting here thursday or friday. Ill stay in contact to let you know how my system handles it.
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