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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/09 22:35:36 (permalink)
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Titan XP's at 2113MHz/1395MHz Memory.
My Graphics Score is now Higher than the 2X Time Spy #2 Position Holder, But not the #1 Position Holder in this Comparison: http://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/246852/spy/239224/spy/244448
 
My Present Time Spy Bench: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/14005363
 



Yep, slinky has got you by 2.81 fps in graphics test #2. 
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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/09 22:51:36 (permalink)
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Yep, slinky has got you by 2.81 fps in graphics test #2. 




Yep, and even though I'm higher than jpmboy in Graphics Scores, I'm STILL 459 Points lower than His Overall Score.
 
Well, It's 2 am here on the East Coast, So I'm done for tonight. 
 
 
post edited by hallowen - 2016/08/09 22:54:39

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/09 23:01:19 (permalink)
K. Guess you'll need that 6950x to take the #2 & #1 position. 
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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/10 05:30:13 (permalink)
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K. Guess you'll need that 6950x to take the #2 & #1 position. 




Not Really, You and I both Know what will happen Next.
 
Even if I bought a 6950X, One or more of the previous HOF Record Holders will just use their LN2 setups with two Titan XP's on a 5960X and Blow everyone out of the water once again. 

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/10 09:29:42 (permalink)
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K. Guess you'll need that 6950x to take the #2 & #1 position. 




Not Really, You and I both Know what will happen Next.
 
Even if I bought a 6950X, One or more of the previous HOF Record Holders will just use their LN2 setups with two Titan XP's on a 5960X and Blow everyone out of the water once again. 



Hahaha. True.
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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/10 15:30:31 (permalink)
Got the bios chips for my X58A-OC today, sadly they did not fix it.  Time to hang it up on the wall unfortunately as I'm stumped.
 
It's also probably a good time to upgrade my main rig and pull the E762 from it so I can use it for my bench.



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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/10 18:23:37 (permalink)
Just for Giggles and Grins, Here is a 1X Time Spy Bench with a STOCK Air Cooled Titan XP at Factory Clocks of 1860MHz/1251MHz Memory still with the CPU at 4875MHz.
 
Notice that the Highest GPU Temperature was 84C at the end of the Bench!
 
Now personally, That is way too Hot in MHO, But I wanted to know since I have never run any Benches with these Titan XP's on Factory Air Cooling, Only Water Cooling, Which didn't go above 34C during Time Spy Benches at 2113MHz/1395MHz Memory on the Titan XP's.
 
Just a little information I thought everyone would Like to Know if they were considering getting one or two of these cards........
 
 http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/14027871
 


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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/10 18:33:22 (permalink)
84c is normal when running the stock fan curve. Try 100% fan speed.
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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/10 20:05:32 (permalink)
OK, That's much Better.
 
Now with the Fan (i.e., Hair dryer) at 100%, The Max Temperature is 20C - 21C Cooler at 62C - 63C during the Time Spy Bench.
 


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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/10 20:21:52 (permalink)
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OK, That's much Better.
 
Now with the Fan (i.e., Hair dryer) at 100%, The Max Temperature is 20C - 21C Cooler at 62C - 63C during the Time Spy Bench.
 




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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/10 20:42:52 (permalink)
84C on stock cooler/curve, damn. That is pretty toasty. Interesting info! I expected ~73-75C on stock.
 
Sorry to hear about the GB X58OC Tucker, that's a shame it didn't fix your issue.

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/10 20:54:49 (permalink)
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OK, That's much Better.
 
Now with the Fan (i.e., Hair dryer) at 100%, The Max Temperature is 20C - 21C Cooler at 62C - 63C during the Time Spy Bench.
 



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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/10 20:58:26 (permalink)
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84C on stock cooler/curve, damn. That is pretty toasty. Interesting info! I expected ~73-75C on stock.




Yeah, Those Blower Air Coolers never seemed to be very efficient.
 

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/10 21:07:55 (permalink)
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OK, That's much Better.
 
Now with the Fan (i.e., Hair dryer) at 100%, The Max Temperature is 20C - 21C Cooler at 62C - 63C during the Time Spy Bench.
 



Nice




I'm really Just looking at the Comparisons between Stock and Overclocked settings. 
 
In my testing, There's about only a 1065 Point difference in Time Spy Benches between a 1X Titan XP on Stock Settings/Air Cooling (9259) and Cranked up Max on Chilled Water Cooling (10324).
 
 
 
 

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/10 21:10:19 (permalink)
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84C on stock cooler/curve, damn. That is pretty toasty. Interesting info! I expected ~73-75C on stock.




Yeah, Those Blower Air Coolers never seemed to be very efficient.
 


Add a snorkel of insulated flex duct, connected to a 5 Gal. bucket of dry ice, to pre-cool the air

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/13 11:05:51 (permalink)
Hey Hallowen and crew what do you think about the EK GPU only blocks? I keep kicking around the idea of get a Powercolor Red Devil RX 480  and an EK Thermosphere block for it. Maybe an RX 490 when it releases... I figure a GPU only block would be a good route to take for now and prevents reliance on reference only cards.

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/13 12:51:58 (permalink)
The EK GPU Only blocks would be a good choice as Long as you use an ACX Graphics Card that have a VRM/Menmory Heat Plate that can be retained for air Cooling while the GPU is using water cooling.
 
When I used my "GPU Only" water block on the Nvidia Titan XP's, Since they did NOT have a separate Heat Plate, I had to install a "Shim" between the water block and the GPU to allow the water block to make good contact with the Chip due to the Blower Style Cooling that drops the top of the Chip about 1/8" below that type of Heat Sink.
 
THIS is why you noticed my Titan XP GPU Temps under Load was 59C-65C opposed to if the block was directly on the Chip which resulted in a GPU Temp of 41C-44C under Load.
 
The "Shim" I installed caused a cooling loss because it retained Heat under Full Loads.
 
After looking at the EK block on their Web Store, They show it is compatible with all the new Pascal Cards, But they also show NO Memory or VRM cooling plates/heat sinks and leave these components bare for "Open Air" cooling. 
 
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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/14 20:12:10 (permalink)
That's very interesting, when I mentioned before that your 65C seemed high for water I didn't realize you had a shim between the core and the block. I don't believe that the Powercolor Devil RX480 has a heat plate for the VRM/VRAM, do you have any idea what I could do? Possibly heatsinks of some sort like these?
Edit: Actually come to think of it, it may not be that difficult to get something like this aluminum heatsink, cut it to size for the VRM, pop a couple holes in it and use some M2 screws/nuts to mount. Maybe. Worth looking into at least.
 
Maybe I would just be better off with a reference card if I go that route. I like the price point of the RX 480. I actually don't mind the price of GTX 1070, but I'm not paying that much for a cut down GP104. 
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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/15 05:16:45 (permalink)
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That's very interesting, when I mentioned before that your 65C seemed high for water I didn't realize you had a shim between the core and the block. I don't believe that the Powercolor Devil RX480 has a heat plate for the VRM/VRAM, do you have any idea what I could do? Possibly heatsinks of some sort like these?
Edit: Actually come to think of it, it may not be that difficult to get something like this aluminum heatsink, cut it to size for the VRM, pop a couple holes in it and use some M2 screws/nuts to mount. Maybe. Worth looking into at least.
 
Maybe I would just be better off with a reference card if I go that route. I like the price point of the RX 480. I actually don't mind the price of GTX 1070, but I'm not paying that much for a cut down GP104. 




I've used a similar cut down aluminum heat sink on my 980 Ti Classified VRM's (they run very Hot under loads) when I was using a SS Phase change on the GPU, But I didn't use any heat sinks on the memory chips which were not running hot during benchmarking tests.
 
I don't know what or how the Powercolor Devil RX480 cools the VRM/Memory on that card. They may just be Bare Chips with the Fans providing the cooling similar that the old EVGA GTX 560 Ti ACX cards used.

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/15 10:16:33 (permalink)
Found some Pics of a Powercolor Red Devil RX480 and it APPEARS to incorporate a Fixed Plate/Cooler design to cool All the GPU/VRM/Memory Chips which means to me that you would have to mount Separate Heat Sinks for the VRM's and Memory if you use a "GPU Only" water block on it. 
 

 
 
 

 

 
 
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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/16 19:00:12 (permalink)
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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/16 19:38:37 (permalink)
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Found some Pics of a Powercolor Red Devil RX480 and it APPEARS to incorporate a Fixed Plate/Cooler design to cool All the GPU/VRM/Memory Chips which means to me that you would have to mount Separate Heat Sinks for the VRM's and Memory if you use a "GPU Only" water block on it. 
 



Thanks!! I don't know why it was so hard to find a picture of the PCB/cooler underside but I was having no luck. I sorta figured that would be the case, since none of the reviews I read on it mentioned it having a plate. Now the question I'm facing is whether to hold and see what RX 490(X?) might hold with Vega. 

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/17 04:35:44 (permalink)
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Nice benches and cards Hallowen!




Thanks Man!,
 
I started out strong in the HOF, But as I expected, It didn't take long to get knocked down the List. lol

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/17 04:40:20 (permalink)
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Found some Pics of a Powercolor Red Devil RX480 and it APPEARS to incorporate a Fixed Plate/Cooler design to cool All the GPU/VRM/Memory Chips which means to me that you would have to mount Separate Heat Sinks for the VRM's and Memory if you use a "GPU Only" water block on it. 
 



Thanks!! I don't know why it was so hard to find a picture of the PCB/cooler underside but I was having no luck. I sorta figured that would be the case, since none of the reviews I read on it mentioned it having a plate. Now the question I'm facing is whether to hold and see what RX 490(X?) might hold with Vega. 




I got these pics in a Powercolor Red Devil RX480 review on Youtube (Screen Capture).
 
I'm guessing that when the RX490 gets released, The GeForce GTX 1080 Ti might be released just behind it!

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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/18 05:57:57 (permalink)
Just as we were discussing before pertaining to the Wonderful World of HOF Benchmarking in 4-way SLI, Even if you decide to spend around $6K for Four Titan XP's and EK water blocks and only Chilled Water Cooling, Chances are you still won't stay on Top for very long!
 
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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/19 05:02:41 (permalink)
On that same subject of More than 2-way SLI.........
 
I Just saw This Post in the EVGA GeForce 900/TITAN X Series Forum about the Newest Nvidia GeForce Drivers (372.54) where it appears they have also evidently disabled 3 and 4-way SLI if you are using Hardware OLDER than the New Pascal Series!
 
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Seems like 3-way and 4-way profiles have been removed, at least for the Witcher 3, from these drivers. Got terrible performance and saw that only 2 out of my 4 cards were being used, any changes or forcing all 4 cards to work resulted in terrible performance. Going back to older drivers fixed the issue. I hope they're not getting rid of multi-GPU support for older hardware too...

 

Now, THAT is hitting below the Belt!
 
If Nvidia is starting to disable 3 and 4-way profiles in their latest drivers for the New Pascal cards and the Older Hardware also, They really have become inflexible about anything over 2-way SLI profiles except for a very Few Benchmarking programs that allow 3 and 4-way SLI to work.
 
Thanks NVIDIA, You have managed to send me Back in Time to 2008 when I had nothing but Two EVGA 8800 GTS in 2-way SLI.
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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/19 10:58:49 (permalink)
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On that same subject of More than 2-way SLI.........
 
I Just saw This Post in the EVGA GeForce 900/TITAN X Series Forum about the Newest Nvidia GeForce Drivers (372.54) where it appears they have also evidently disabled 3 and 4-way SLI if you are using Hardware OLDER than the New Pascal Series!
 
Betelgeuse
Seems like 3-way and 4-way profiles have been removed, at least for the Witcher 3, from these drivers. Got terrible performance and saw that only 2 out of my 4 cards were being used, any changes or forcing all 4 cards to work resulted in terrible performance. Going back to older drivers fixed the issue. I hope they're not getting rid of multi-GPU support for older hardware too...



Now, THAT is hitting below the Belt!
 
If Nvidia is starting to disable 3 and 4-way profiles in their latest drivers for the New Pascal cards and the Older Hardware also, They really have become inflexible about anything over 2-way SLI profiles except for a very Few Benchmarking programs that allow 3 and 4-way SLI to work.
 
Thanks NVIDIA, You have managed to send me Back in Time to 2008 when I had nothing but Two EVGA 8800 GTS in 2-way SLI.


This better not be true or I'm gonna flip.
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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/19 11:09:48 (permalink)
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This better not be true or I'm gonna flip.


I can agree with that. 
 
 
 
(maybe not quite to the same extent, but it's the principle of it more so than it directly affecting me.)
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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/19 16:58:31 (permalink)
 


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Re:Get It Colder......2 2016/08/19 18:11:14 (permalink)
I got 3-way & 4-way working in the game the witcher 3 using driver 372.54. 
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