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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/03 15:48:34 (permalink)
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Man, I need to send you some MRE's for benching sessions!  Tear it open, add water and according to the instructions Prop it up against "a rock or something" I'm sure there are plenty of "or something's" in a benching room 




LOL!, I had enough MRE's in the Service YEARS ago!
 
Anyway, Getting Back to the Benching Results so far, It appears I can OC the CPU with a lower Vcore with the Memory running at Default speed better than I can on the XMP settings which doesn't seem right somehow.
 
 

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/03 16:06:19 (permalink)
ahhh the "rock or something".  There is a place outside Benning that has a store full of Army-isms shirts.  One of them shows the rock or something
 
I am thinking a dude as old as Hallow pre-dates MRE's or was brown bagging them (before we switched to the tan versions & vegetarian types).  My guess was C-rats for you hallow.  When & how long were you in?  
 
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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/03 16:30:17 (permalink)
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ahhh the "rock or something".  There is a place outside Benning that has a store full of Army-isms shirts.  One of them shows the rock or something
 
I am thinking a dude as old as Hallow pre-dates MRE's or was brown bagging them (before we switched to the tan versions & vegetarian types).  My guess was C-rats for you hallow.  When & how long were you in?  
 
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Yeah, You're about right on the C-Rations!
 
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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/03 21:52:18 (permalink)
Hallowen would you mind running 3dMark Vantage CPU tests 1&2 on that beast? GPU tests are very broken with 4 cards I know but I'm interested in the CPU scores to see how that compares to k|ngp|n's old SR-2 dual X5680 scores in the CPU test.

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/04 08:14:15 (permalink)
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Hallowen would you mind running 3dMark Vantage CPU tests 1&2 on that beast? GPU tests are very broken with 4 cards I know but I'm interested in the CPU scores to see how that compares to k|ngp|n's old SR-2 dual X5680 scores in the CPU test.


OK, Here's a Vantage Performance preset Run at 4.597Ghz using Two KPE's at 1343MHz GPU and 1926MHz Memory on Water Cooling compared to Kingpins 2010 World Record Run at 5.437GHz using Two GTX 580's at 1070MHz GPU and 1153MHz on LN2.
 
I might Add that My 5960X hit 66C - 72C Temps while running the CPU tests in Vantage due to just using Water Cooling at the present time, BUT I Still Bettered my Old X79 Vantage Record Run of P74669 raising it to P78332 and Raised My Futuremark Vantage Position from #10 to #7! 
 
Also, Below the following Pic is a Link to the 2010 Article on His World Record, Plus the Vantage Scores He obtained for your reference........
 

 
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[link=http://www.gnd-tech.com/content/461-EVGA-and-k-ngp-n-3DMark-Vantage-World-Record-Runs]http://www.gnd-tech.com/c...tage-World-Record-Runs[/link]                        
 
post edited by hallowen - 2014/09/04 08:35:59

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/04 11:07:30 (permalink)
Pushed it to 4.697GHz and increased the Fire Strike Extreme Score more. My Old X79 setup had a High Score of 19682, so I'm still 1128 points lower with the X99, But My Graphics OC's are set lower than when I ran these tests with the X79 Setup.
 
Also, Note that I am Still Testing using Only Chilled Water Cooling on the CPU and Not Phase Change yet.
 


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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/04 11:13:32 (permalink)
Interesting that his CPU score is still higher. That makes me think that Vantage is actually coded very well for multicore systems. Very cool. Thank you! Much appreciated.
 
I wonder what clockspeed it would take a 5960X to hit his CPU score. I'd hazard a guess of at least 5.6GHz.

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/04 11:19:03 (permalink)
This just drives the nail home that I will probably keep the classies and sell almost everything else, except the Dark and 3930 and a couple of the graphics cards, and go ahead with the upgrade to x99. These numbers look fantastic and thanks for taking the time to post the results.


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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/04 11:21:47 (permalink)
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Interesting that his CPU score is still higher. That makes me think that Vantage is actually coded very well for multicore systems. Very cool. Thank you! Much appreciated.
 
I wonder what clockspeed it would take a 5960X to hit his CPU score. I'd hazard a guess of at least 5.6GHz.


No Problem Halo,
Vince has already OC'd his 5960X in a Fire Strike Bench to over 5.7GHz on LN2 , But I don't know what the CPU Score would be in Vantage until he runs that Benchmark.

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/04 11:24:33 (permalink)
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This just drives the nail home that I will probably keep the classies and sell almost everything else, except the Dark and 3930 and a couple of the graphics cards, and go ahead with the upgrade to x99. These numbers look fantastic and thanks for taking the time to post the results.

Thanks Scarlet-Tech,
There's Still a lot more testing to do, But it's looking good so far!

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/04 11:26:56 (permalink)
Raised the Graphics OC some more.....
 


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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/04 13:55:47 (permalink)
Just posted on Natemans x99 block announcement... I am ordering tonight :-) old systems (minus the big GPUs) will be on the chopping block soon.


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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/04 20:32:55 (permalink)
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Anyway, Getting Back to the Benching Results so far, It appears I can OC the CPU with a lower Vcore with the Memory running at Default speed better than I can on the XMP settings which doesn't seem right somehow.

 
My guess is perhaps XMP needs some fixing in the MB bios. Which would mean setting all XMP settings manually, like that hasn't happened before.
Or maybe the XMP settings are bad (I doubt it) or maybe there is a voltage that is too high/low for your CPU that XMP sets.
Just my .02. GET IT COLDER ALREADY!
 
 






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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/05 03:03:49 (permalink)
Order complete. Now to have minimal patience for the equipment to arrive.


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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/05 04:35:42 (permalink)
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Anyway, Getting Back to the Benching Results so far, It appears I can OC the CPU with a lower Vcore with the Memory running at Default speed better than I can on the XMP settings which doesn't seem right somehow.

 
My guess is perhaps XMP needs some fixing in the MB bios. Which would mean setting all XMP settings manually, like that hasn't happened before.
Or maybe the XMP settings are bad (I doubt it) or maybe there is a voltage that is too high/low for your CPU that XMP sets.
Just my .02.
 



Thanks for the Info awalleyeguy, More than likely some fine-tuning using manual adjustments have to be made for the Memory in the BIOS.
 
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GET IT COLDER ALREADY!

 
LOL!, ATM I am running Tests and Benchmarks starting with ambient temp Water Cooling and gradually turning the water temps lower on the Chiller to make sure No unforseen problems arise and once I'm satisfied, I'll tear down the MB and do my Preps for Phase Change Cooling Next!

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/05 04:52:22 (permalink)
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Just posted on Natemans x99 block announcement... I am ordering tonight :-) old systems (minus the big GPUs) will be on the chopping block soon.

I'm waiting to see how the X99 blocks that Nate is working on turn out also before I decide if I can use them with my Phase Change installed.
The Idea of the Inlet and Outlet coming up between the Graphics Cards has me kind of concerned since I use 1/2" tubing with SS Hose clamps connections and the clamps could possibly come in contact with the back of the Graphics Card PCB, But We'll have to wait and see.
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Seems like it Always takes too long when you are waiting for New Components to arrive!



 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/05 05:01:25 (permalink)
I have patience. I am moving in 6 months anyway, and will be looking to completely break everything down for the move, and shipping the main parts myself, so that I don't have to trust the movers.


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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/05 10:01:19 (permalink)
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hallowen
 
 
Anyway, Getting Back to the Benching Results so far, It appears I can OC the CPU with a lower Vcore with the Memory running at Default speed better than I can on the XMP settings which doesn't seem right somehow.

 
My guess is perhaps XMP needs some fixing in the MB bios. Which would mean setting all XMP settings manually, like that hasn't happened before.
Or maybe the XMP settings are bad (I doubt it) or maybe there is a voltage that is too high/low for your CPU that XMP sets.
Just my .02. GET IT COLDER ALREADY!
 
 



From my experience, this i would somewhat expect.  XMP is designed for basic users who set it and forget it.  I can get better numbers when I do things manually, frequently a bit less voltage, when clocking regardless of board chipset or manufacturer I go manual not XMP.  Maybe it is my personally methodology that lends well to this, but, I can usually do higher clocks with less voltage.
 
And yes, I agree with awalleyeguy.... MUST-GET-COLDER!!
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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/05 11:17:18 (permalink)
 I go manual also.


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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/05 11:34:46 (permalink)
I Planned on more Testing this morning, But Today turned out to be a busy day and unfortunately Not for doing any System Testing/Benching!
 
I HAD to get some real groceries (No, Not C-Rations!) , Go to my Doctor for a Physical, and then found out I had to tear down my Honda home emergency generator set (what a Pain that was!) because the starter went bad and of course no one had a replacement. I eventually found and ordered a new one, But I have to wait a week or so for it to be delivered.
 
Then my neighbors called and asked me for some help assembling/installing/setting up some components for Their New Computer System they just bought, Which BTW I am still working on, So eventually I should be getting back to "relaxing?" and working on my X99 Rig again if nothing else happens in the meantime........... 

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/05 12:59:10 (permalink)
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Anyway, Getting Back to the Benching Results so far, It appears I can OC the CPU with a lower Vcore with the Memory running at Default speed better than I can on the XMP settings which doesn't seem right somehow.

 
My guess is perhaps XMP needs some fixing in the MB bios. Which would mean setting all XMP settings manually, like that hasn't happened before.
Or maybe the XMP settings are bad (I doubt it) or maybe there is a voltage that is too high/low for your CPU that XMP sets.
 
 
 



From my experience, this i would somewhat expect.  XMP is designed for basic users who set it and forget it.  I can get better numbers when I do things manually, frequently a bit less voltage, when clocking regardless of board chipset or manufacturer I go manual not XMP.  Maybe it is my personally methodology that lends well to this, but, I can usually do higher clocks with less voltage.




I agree that I probably will have to mess around manually with the Memory settings with this X99 and Corsair 2800MHz to get higher OC's, But You may have noticed when I had the X79 Setup I had absolutely No Problems running the G-Skill Trident X at 2666MHz XMP#1 settings while Overclocking the 4930K to 5.2GHz.

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/07 14:34:16 (permalink)
Switched over from Windows 7 Ultimate 64 to Windows 8.1 64 and found that My Scores went Up even when using Lower Graphics Overclock settings.
 
Not Bad Considering it's on just Water Cooling and I'm Only 400 points Below My X79 Top Score when I was using Phase Change Cooling!
 

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/07 14:44:17 (permalink)
Yes, but we have been saying that windows 8 or 8.1 is better for certain test while windows 7 is better for others. How you keep missing this. LOL

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/07 14:53:19 (permalink)
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Yes, but we have been saying that windows 8 or 8.1 is better for certain test while windows 7 is better for others. How you keep missing this. LOL


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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/07 14:58:30 (permalink)
Did Microsoft ever patch the clock issue for 8/8.1? I know there were some issues with it a few month back, that the bios clock was running slower than real time, boosting scores in Catzilla and Heaven.


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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/07 15:13:06 (permalink)
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Yes, but we have been saying that windows 8 or 8.1 is better for certain test while windows 7 is better for others. How you keep missing this. LOL


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Ouch!
It was only a week ago. 

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/07 15:19:44 (permalink)
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Yes, but we have been saying that windows 8 or 8.1 is better for certain test while windows 7 is better for others. How you keep missing this. LOL


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Ouch!
It was only a week ago. 


You know what I mean, I am just trying various different OS's like I always have, But the Point being that I'm almost reaching My Old Top Fire Strike Extreme Score on Just Water Cooling and not using Phase Change Yet.

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/07 15:33:42 (permalink)
Well... you are running 8 cores 16 threads vs 6 cores and 12 threads my friend. :) So the added cores are what's helping most. You still have a ways to catch your gpu score. But as over all scores go, I see what you mean.

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/07 15:53:26 (permalink)
Yep, The Octo is running at 4.7GHz vs. the Hexa that was running at 5.2GHz, So All in All it's Still looking good to me even though I'm Also just running the DDR4 Memory at the Default 1066MHz compared to the DDR3 at the XMP#1 1333MHz speed. 

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/09/07 15:53:27 (permalink)
Drat.....Double Post again. 

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