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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/24 08:23:41 (permalink)
Hummm wow.
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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/24 09:24:32 (permalink)
I Still Have Some Unknown Problem running 4-Way SLI, because I just ran Two Benches of Catzilla and got the same results where 4-Way SLI produces Scores LOWER than 2-Way SLI!
 
4-Way SLI:
 

 
 
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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/24 10:45:41 (permalink)
I toggled the Switch on all four graphics cards from the skyn3t modded "LN2" Vbios to the "Normal" Stock Kingpin Vbios with the SAME RESULTS in either 4-Way SLI Vantage or Catzilla where the FPS Decrease over the 2-Way SLI Benches!
 
Evidently, The Problem doesn't Go Away even when switching back and forth with any of the Stock or Modded Vbios's I have Tried, So Once Again I am at a Loss for finding what exactly is Happening?
 
Unfortunately, I Seem to be coming to the Conclusion that Anything Beyond 2-Way SLI Doesn't Scale Well at All with an X79 Platform and four GTX 780 Ti KPE's compared to My Old X58 Platform with four GTX 580 Classified Ultras that had Absolutely NO Problem producing Much Higher Benching Scores in 4-Way SLI compared to 2-Way or 3-Way SLI.
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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/24 12:23:44 (permalink)
Hi there,
I see you are getting upset with the 4 way sli scores. Did you ever try running the enable pci-e 3.0 patch?
Even though you set it to 3.0 in the bios, Nvidia drivers set it to 2.0. This patch needs to be re-done every time you install a new driver. Only takes a second to run it, as it shows a really fast DOS screen.
It MAY help? No harm in trying, unless you already did it.
Here is the link      https://forums.geforce.co...orm-updated-6-19-2012/
I needed to run it on a X79 Dark build with a Titan installed to make it read 3.0. Just my 2 cents.
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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/24 13:03:55 (permalink)
Thanks sgtharry, I'll give it a try a little later.
 
EDIT:
I just received a PM from Gunslinger about this Problem, and the Cold Hard True Facts are that NVIDIA has Dropped 4X Support for Vantage for ANYTHING after the GTX 500 Series, Which FINALLY Explains Why My 2012 GTX 580 Classified Ultra 4-Way SLI Performed so Well and Why My Present GTX 780 Series Platform DOSEN'T!
 
In Other Words, Vantage gets ZERO Scaling past 2X Cards in ANY Preset!  

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/24 14:48:56 (permalink)
Dayum!
 
Well, at least you can make your money back fairly quickly.
 
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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/24 15:09:34 (permalink)
Now that is interesting news.

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/24 17:21:39 (permalink)
Another Issue that has been brought to my attention by Gunslinger is that 4-Way SLI is incredibly CPU Bound EXCEPT for the New 3DMark Fire Strike Extreme Preset, But even running This Bench You'll need to be up near 5GHz or even Higher.
 
In Addition to the 4-Way SLI Vantage issue, 3DMark 11 will Also be CPU Bottlenecked in 4-Way SLI.
 
Man, I Mean to Tell You,......Gunslinger said He didn't have a good enough CPU to "Push It" High enough to get 4-Way KPE's to Work for Him, So there is Very Little Hope for Me to do so.
 
After All the Expectations and $$$$ Spent building my Rig, This is By Far the Saddest Situation I have ever seen in All My Years of Overclocking/Benching with NVIDIA/GeForce Products.
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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/24 21:02:22 (permalink)
Wow, that definitely does explain it. That is very odd, I haven't ever heard that before. I was thinking it was either a limit of Vantage itself or just scaling in general.

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/25 01:51:21 (permalink)
*Removes two video cards from check out cart*
 
That's pretty disappointing.. hell of a rig you have, as always. I quit building for a while after many driver/program based headaches.. just too hard and frustrating to see powerful equipment be limited as the value decreases. Planning to re-design your rig around a dual card setup now?
 
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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/25 05:19:30 (permalink)
Despite All these Problems, I am Not About to "Partially Disassemble" My New Rig so Quickly.
 
The First Thing is to Run Benches in the New 3DMark Fire Strike Extreme Preset that from what I have seen on Futuremark allows the Use of GTX 700 Series Graphics Cards in 4-Way SLI as shown by the Hall of Fame Statistics.
 
I have Not Finished Testing/Experimenting with Everything as of Yet, and I can Switch between 4X - 3X - or 2X SLI without Removing Any Components, Plus there are Still Many Programs and other Software that I have Yet to look into for Other Future Possibilities, and I have SOME Satifaction that I at LEAST made the #1 Position in the Futuremark Hall of Fame for 3DMark Vantage Extreme Preset with my 4-Way KPE's!
 
 
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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/25 05:56:30 (permalink)
OK, In the First Bench of 3DMark Fire Strike Extreme Preset, The Score is Good Enough for #9 Position in the Futuremark Hall of Fame.
 


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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/25 07:14:30 (permalink)
On The Second FS Extreme Run, I WOULD have had the #8 Position, But Unfortunately Something went wrong with the Scoring while being transferred to Futuremark for Verification.
 

 
 

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/25 08:38:05 (permalink)
On The Third FS Extreme Run, I would have moved up to the #7 Position, But Something went wrong AGAIN with the Scoring while being transferred to Futuremark for Verification!
 
NOW I have to figure out what's wrong with 3DMark Fire Strike!
If it isn't One Problem, It's another Problem............Jeeezzzzzz.
 
 

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/25 09:39:51 (permalink)
Finally got Things Straightened Out, and NOW I'm up to the #5 Position in 3DMark FS Extreme!
 


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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/25 12:37:12 (permalink)
Better, But Not Quite Enough Yet.
 


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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/02/26 08:27:35 (permalink)
Isn't it Kind of Strange after finding out that 3- Way/4-Way SLI will Not Help Your Benching Scores Anymore because of the Almost Zero Scaling that NOW there are KPE's that are "In Stock" and Available, But NO Higher Priced Titans or Titan Blacks are Available? (Not That I want to Buy Them)
 
At Least I can run single/2X/3X or 4X depending on the Benchmarks I Choose, But ATM as You See, I'm Concentrating on One of the Few Programs that DO depend on Total Graphics/CPU Power to Obtain the Scores.
 
This Situation and the Falsehoods that NVIDIA/Geforce has deemed appropriate to Shove Upon Us and Still ask for such High Prices for their Products would be almost Funny, If I could Just Stop being Depressed by Thinking about it so Much, But At Least I got SOME Satisfaction by Getting a Refund from Newegg for the EVGA X79 Dark I Never Even Bothered to Unwrap.........   
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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/03/04 06:00:58 (permalink)
Broke My #1 Position Score in 3DMark Vantage Extreme Preset in The Futuremark Hall of Fame.
 


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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/03/04 11:04:41 (permalink)
Increased a Little Higher......
 

 
 

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/03/05 08:53:55 (permalink)
dang man, lookin good!
Keep pushing, looking forward to higher numbers.
 
I would love to see some competition in here, like Johnksss or Q56 or others jumping back into the mix, little friendly competition is not a bad thing  :)
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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/03/05 09:31:31 (permalink)
Thanks Dave, I'm doing the Best I can considering all the Limitations imposed by NVIDIA Drivers and GeForce Hardware.
After the GTX 500 Series when NVIDIA Dropped their Support, 4-Way SLI only seems to work/scale properly in some of the Extreme Presets in Vantage, Fire Strike, and Possibly 3DMark 11 (Haven't tried that one as of Yet).
Any Benching in the Default Presets I have tried using more than 2-Way SLI has resulted in very little or Reduced scores as I have stated in other posts.
True, I need to increase the OC on the CPU More than I have, But Even using my Phase Change is Not enough and I Still don't want to use DICE or LN2 to accomplish that task and still have a 24/7 System I can use without having to keep an eye out to "Refuel" it all the time.

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/03/06 06:26:56 (permalink)
ANOTHER Record Run!
 
Just got the #1 Position in 3DMark 11 Extreme Preset in The Futuremark Hall of Fame.
 

 
 

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/03/06 06:51:23 (permalink)
Got it Higher Once Again (Every Little Bit Helps!)
 


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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/03/06 06:59:24 (permalink)
A Little More......
 


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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/03/06 07:36:45 (permalink)
wow man, doing great!  If you end up going head to head with K|ngP|in as a employee, who do I root for??
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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/03/06 07:45:10 (permalink)
Thanks Dave,
 
I Seriously Doubt without using LN2 I'll ever get to Compete at that Competition Level, But at Least I'm Giving it a go!
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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/03/06 07:54:58 (permalink)
Awesome! Congrats!

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/03/06 08:05:52 (permalink)
Thanks AlexisRO,
 
As I have Always said, You'll Never Know what You can accomplish until You just "Get It Colder"!

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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/03/06 08:08:34 (permalink)
Managed to Move Up to the #4 Position in The 3DMark Fire Strike Extreme Preset in The Futuremark Hall of Fame.
 


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Re:Get It Colder II 2014/03/06 08:27:31 (permalink)
Moved Up Again to the #3 Position in 3DMark Fire Strike Extreme Preset in The Futuremark Hall of Fame!
 
Unless I go to LN2, This is as Good as it Gets!
 
 

post edited by hallowen - 2014/03/06 08:31:35

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