Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/26 20:47:53
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/27 13:09:55
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/27 21:15:41
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Looks great Nate. I think you should look into nickel plating the copper parts though.. Any thoughts on those specs John?
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/28 20:10:08
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Keep working on them Halo...Parents that is. They may not see any value in the actual end product, but sell them on the fact that it helps you to develop real world problem solving skills using mathematics, physics, geometry, engineering....the list goes on;)
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/28 20:25:08
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Dang that plexi's awesome! P.S. Nate if you ever want someone to help design more blocks (and ln2/dice pots too), hit me up with a PM or something.  I dunno if i could help with the coding, but if i ever figure out a way to do that too, i would be able to be even more helpful.
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/28 21:30:19
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Q56_Monster Keep working on them Halo...Parents that is. They may not see any value in the actual end product, but sell them on the fact that it helps you to develop real world problem solving skills using mathematics, physics, geometry, engineering....the list goes on;) Actually my dad is pretty supportive of me learning to build phase units surprisingly enough. I would need someone else to charge them as I'm not HVAC certified though. Ideally I'd build a little SS for 24/7, and either a dual or triple stage for benching. Hell, if I made a decent SS I could sell a few.
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/28 22:17:07
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you cant just sit there and let them charge it or else it wont get charged right. and it'sd not cheap either!.. you really only need someone to buy it for you...then charge away. they will try to charge it according to their specs and not yours. it will then be under charged for the most part. not sure if they will let you just sit there with a motherboard though...lol..mine did the first few times, till i learned on my own.
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/28 22:19:11
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johnksss you cant just sit there and let them charge it or else it wont get charged right. and it'sd not cheap either!.. you really only need someone to buy it for you...then charge away. they will try to charge it according to their specs and not yours. it will then be under charged for the most part. not sure if they will let you just sit there with a motherboard though...lol..mine did the first few times, till i learned on my own. Interesting. Gonna have to read some more about that then. Any idea on compressor sizes/temps/watts?
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/29 08:13:56
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i hate to send you somewhere else to read what i did as a noob, but that guy over there gave me all the help i ever needed and more. has all the parts and the experience you'll ever need. you'll see my old vapo chill i got from mr natrual. and what it looks like now, since everything has been changed on it. lol http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=351604
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/29 11:25:14
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Halo_003 Q56_Monster Keep working on them Halo...Parents that is. They may not see any value in the actual end product, but sell them on the fact that it helps you to develop real world problem solving skills using mathematics, physics, geometry, engineering....the list goes on;) Actually my dad is pretty supportive of me learning to build phase units surprisingly enough. I would need someone else to charge them as I'm not HVAC certified though. Ideally I'd build a little SS for 24/7, and either a dual or triple stage for benching. Hell, if I made a decent SS I could sell a few. Start with a single stage, captube system. Best bet is to pick up a complete 1/3 HP Copeland condensing unit designed for r404 or r410a and use that as your system base. 11' of .032 I.D. captube should be a good starting point for tuning to a 200 watt load running an R290 . you can just use Standard propane from a Bernz-o-Matic torch cylinder , just run it through a filter drier when charging to remove any possible moisture . Youll need... A turbo torch, 5% silver brazing rods, flux, a set if manifold gauges and hoses, a Multimeter with temperature measurement ability, tubing cutter, a couple schrader valves, captube, Filter drier, cpu evaporator, and an old refrigeration compressor to use as a vacuum pump. That should about cover the basics....
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/29 11:54:42
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Yep was looking at a 1/3 or 1/2 HP Tecumseh compressor, with an 11-12' captube. Thanks for the shopping list, was planning on using the Chilly1 2009 evap kit, filter drier, gauge manifold, captube and schrader valves from UnderTheIce.com. And my dad is looking for the vacuum pump, which shouldn't be too hard to find reasonably cheap. If I have any questions is it alright to PM you Rbieze?
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/29 12:57:30
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i would talk to drewmister first... and the chilly1 is old school and out of date. you want a kyal evap(i thinks thats the name) and you want something in the 3/4 hp range. we are using rotarys, but they are noisy. the rec are much quieter and can be restarted quicker.
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/29 14:14:19
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johnksss
i would talk to drewmister first... and the chilly1 is old school and out of date. you want a kyal evap(i thinks thats the name) and you want something in the 3/4 hp range. we are using rotarys, but they are noisy. the rec are much quieter and can be restarted quicker.
It's kayl evaps. Also you probably knew this Halo, but rotaries are cheaper than reciprocating. But like John said, rotaries are alot more noisy. You just have to prioritize, $ or noise.
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/29 15:57:19
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/29 22:37:32
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I go downstairs in my basement and finally come out and were going phase now. excellent. I should go down there more often ;) I have like 30 lbs of copper down there. Its been keeping me busy
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/30 01:50:00
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i would not go lower than 1/2hp and that is pushing it. 3/4 is a nice spot to hold temps on even a 980x (to a degree)
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/30 08:20:13
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What about for a cascade? Would like an idea of shopping lists for a few designs: -40C 300W load SS -50C 300W load SS -100C 300W load Dual stage cascade -150C 300W load Triple stage cascade Will probably start out by doing a SS or two, then try a dual/triple. I'd use the SS for 24/7, and the cascade for benching obviously.
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/30 11:08:13
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/30 11:54:28
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your making your job hard. just get a dual condenser from drewmeister for like 100 bucks., hell..the single will hold a 1/3 or a 1/2 compressor. talking about his cube condensers.
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/30 12:05:56
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I assume I'd just PM him on XS?
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/30 14:01:20
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/30 14:05:56
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Ah nice. Gonna have to register there then. Think it's a good idea to do a SS or two before trying a cascade?
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/30 14:26:34
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Sooner or later, I'll have to go colder. This phase change stuff sounds really good. The research necessary and time consumed is killing me though. Does anyone sell a good kit or offer a good parts list to get me going? My time costs more than money right now.
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/30 14:29:08
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ty_ger07 Sooner or later, I'll have to go colder. This phase change stuff sounds really good. The research necessary and time consumed is killing me though. Does anyone sell a good kit or offer a good parts list to get me going? My time costs more than money right now. Unless you want to invest in the tools to build then I would talk to RunMC or Sdumper.
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/30 14:48:59
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building is not cheap! my tools alone are about 2500 dollars with deals and hookups. you can buy a ss for like 265 bucks right now...someone is selling one or was in the market place.
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/30 14:50:48
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I'll look into it. @Nate: Your block building is getting much complex. Like said, it may be worth your while to look into the cost of having someone nickle plate your blocks. The CPU block industry is probably much harder to get into, but if you were to attempt it, you may want to look into the cost of getting EDM notches put in copper for impingement cooling. IIf you were to tackle the CPU block industry, you would probably want to add flare to your blocks to set them apart. I am sure it is technically possible to add tri-color LEDs to a block which would change color based on CPU fan speed setting when plugged into a CPU fan header.
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/30 14:53:48
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How do you know if a phase hange unit is adequate? Just look for a 3/4 HP unit or greater and hope that the rest is built well? I would probably start with my old X58 and 965 with one of the many cheap video cards I have laying around.
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/30 15:19:00
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ty_ger07 How do you know if a phase hange unit is adequate? Just look for a 3/4 HP unit or greater and hope that the rest is built well? I would probably start with my old X58 and 965 with one of the many cheap video cards I have laying around. Really you want one that is tuned for a specific load. Ie I want my SS to be -40C @ 300W load.
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Re:Get It Colder II
2011/04/30 15:40:09
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yeah, that's not gonna happen...lol not with a 1/3 or 1/2 hp compressor...lol im running a 1hp compressor & dual condensor and i can bench a 980x at about 5.2 ghz cpu test vantage. the best i could do with my vapo chill was 4.775 ghz.
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