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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/03 19:29:28
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very cool...thanks for posting this... would like to see more games like crysis and fallout if ya got the time... BTW congrats on the new cards!!!! 
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/03 19:38:21
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It would be interesting to see how these cards do with 3D Surround. I think your benchmarks are with 2D Surround since you have higher res settings... It seems some games are still plagued in 3D Surround and I'm wondering if it's just the games using too much Vram in the first place with surround and adding 3D just adds more computing to do for the cards.
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/03 20:09:53
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not sure if you know crap or what version of afterburner you have im using 2.1.0 beta 5 and voltage works on 500 series cards
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/03 20:31:42
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I didnt notice any probs runing the few games i did in Surround Vision with 3x 23" monitors at 1920x1080 each using my 580s.
The most memory i've seen so far was like 1345 and that was with bad company 2. Batman was just over a gig and Mafia 2 was a solid 900 durring the benchmark for me and that was max settings and 8x AA.
Still gota check some other games but so far i think i'm safe with these. Good to know about this as it was never a thought prior.. At least i can lower some settings in certain games if need be. But sucks even thinking about that after spending so much on this rig.
I just cant see selling 4 of these regular 580s with blocks and starting over again and waiting for new blocks to come out for 4 of those 3GB cards. Done that once 2 months ago with the 4 480s!
If one was going to buy today and is going to run tripple screens as large as 30" each then yeah, grab those GTX580 3GB cards!
Also interesting is Palit's selling point on this card is for 2560X1600 http://www.palit.biz/main/vgapro.php?id=1503 which boast a 2.5 increase with one card in games like Star Craft 2. It is not for 1920X1200 and below where they are marketing their potential buyers.
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/03 21:00:54
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Well if you guys want to put it into terms of percent of performance increase. It's literally about a 300% improvement at high resolutions and settings. If I tried any of that on my 1.5GB GTX480's it would be a stuttering mess. That's not to say the GPU in the GTX480's wasn't capable. On the contrary, it's quite capable. However it lacks the necessary VRAM to do it smoothly like these cards do. I'm 100% confident that if you put 3GB on a GTX480 it would do almost as well as these GTX580's do. That said, these cards are clearly for the high resolution crowd who like to use high settings and image quality. A card like this would be wasted on a single 1920x1200 screen as many games won't use the extra VRAM they have on tap. That is the selling point of these cards. Extreme resolutions or bust. EDIT: And yes I'm using the latest version of MSI AB but no voltage tuning is possible yet. As for 3D surround, I don't own 120Hz screens to try it.
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/03 21:06:05
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Thanks for all the runs Crap.....wait that does'nt sound right!?! I'm looking into 3D surround with the new Samsung 950's when they drop, and this might be the way I have to go.
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/03 21:09:54
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Great review! Thanks for sharing with us. :) Two thumbs up!!
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/03 21:12:07
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/03 21:16:55
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gutcheck
So go forth and buy?
It's tough since you already have the 1.5GB models. But you're running the same resolution I am and if you're like me who loves to pile on the AA and image quality settings, then go for it. I'm sure you can still sell your GTX580's for $450 or more so you'd only be taking about a $100 hit on them. But wow what a difference 3GB makes in some games, particularly Metro 2033.
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/03 21:27:50
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Well if you guys want to put it into terms of percent of performance increase. It's literally about a 300% improvement at high resolutions and settings. If I tried any of that on my 1.5GB GTX480's it would be a stuttering mess. That's not to say the GPU in the GTX480's wasn't capable. On the contrary, it's quite capable. However it lacks the necessary VRAM to do it smoothly like these cards do. I'm 100% confident that if you put 3GB on a GTX480 it would do almost as well as these GTX580's do.
That said, these cards are clearly for the high resolution crowd who like to use high settings and image quality. A card like this would be wasted on a single 1920x1200 screen as many games won't use the extra VRAM they have on tap. That is the selling point of these cards. Extreme resolutions or bust.
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There is a contrast here and I doubt Tech PowerUP will address it in there review AHowes
I didnt notice any probs runing the few games i did in Surround Vision with 3x 23" monitors at 1920x1080 each using my 580s.
The most memory i've seen so far was like 1345 and that was with bad company 2. Batman was just over a gig and Mafia 2 was a solid 900 durring the benchmark for me and that was max settings and 8x AA.
Still gota check some other games but so far i think i'm safe with these. Good to know about this as it was never a thought prior.. At least i can lower some settings in certain games if need be. But sucks even thinking about that after spending so much on this rig.
I just cant see selling 4 of these regular 580s with blocks and starting over again and waiting for new blocks to come out for 4 of those 3GB cards. Done that once 2 months ago with the 4 480s!
If one was going to buy today and is going to run tripple screens as large as 30" each then yeah, grab those GTX580 3GB cards!
SO THEN, 3 Monitors at lower resolutions such as 1920X1080 (thus 5760X1080) didn't cause any issues with 1.5 VRAM as the buffer with QUAD GTX 580. Don't oversell it just yet. It belongs to an elite group, not the mainstream at least to me so far.
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/03 21:33:25
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Oh I agree that you'll still probably be OK with a lower resolution like 5760x1200 with a 1.5GB card. There is no doubt that these cards aren't intended for everybody. But on the same token even a person who uses a resolution like 5760x1200 can completely tap out 1.5GB of VRAM in today's games if they like high levels of AA.
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/03 21:37:52
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Oh I agree that you'll still probably be OK with a lower resolution like 5760x1200 with a 1.5GB card. There is no doubt that these cards aren't intended for everybody. But on the same token even a person who uses a resolution like 5760x1200 can completely tap out 1.5GB of VRAM in today's games if they like high levels of AA.
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/03 22:09:53
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3D vision surround does add a few hundred MBs to the ram on the cards.. still under the 1500MBs on most games i've tested at high settings. Though the drivers will cap the AA when in 3D mode to 2x. I've been testing tonight and so far the only game that comes close to 1500MBs of ram is Crysis under High settings and 8x AA. I think it spiked a tad over 1500 at times. Was sweet seeing some new games runing max settings in surround vision as i've not tried many yet as i've been busy just trying to get max overclocks on the system and cards.. so mostly just benching so far. Did not touch Metro though as for some reason in the past i could not get higher then 4800+ screen res. :/ So basicly yeah.. if your thinking about 30" screens sometime in the next year, go with the newer 3GB cards.. If not your fine with the regular GTX580s. Hopefully those cards will overclock in the upper 900s so you can play at those high screen sizes in surround vision ;) EDIT: I've tested: Batman in 2D (1200+ MBS) and 3D max settings 2x AA limit at 1400, spiked once at over 1500 MBs. Mafia in 2D (900 MBs) and 3D max settings (13-1400 MBs) BattleField Bad Company 2 in 2D Was around 1350MBs.. Everything turned on and set on high with 4x AA and 4x Anisotrophic Filtering and HBAO on. Just Cause 2 (2D 1200+ MBs) 3D (13-1441 MBs for the 3rd bench) Everything on and set on High. Crysis 2D (13-1400+ MBs just walking around the first level everything maxed. ) Dont believe i tried 3D.
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/03 23:59:22
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3D vision surround does add a few hundred MBs to the ram on the cards.. still under the 1500MBs on most games i've tested at high settings. Though the drivers will cap the AA when in 3D mode to 2x.
I've been testing tonight and so far the only game that comes close to 1500MBs of ram is Crysis under High settings and 8x AA. I think it spiked a tad over 1500 at times.
Was sweet seeing some new games runing max settings in surround vision as i've not tried many yet as i've been busy just trying to get max overclocks on the system and cards.. so mostly just benching so far.
Did not touch Metro though as for some reason in the past i could not get higher then 4800+ screen res. :/
So basicly yeah.. if your thinking about 30" screens sometime in the next year, go with the newer 3GB cards.. If not your fine with the regular GTX580s.
Hopefully those cards will overclock in the upper 900s so you can play at those high screen sizes in surround vision ;)
EDIT: I've tested:
Batman in 2D (1200+ MBS) and 3D max settings 2x AA limit at 1400, spiked once at over 1500 MBs.
Mafia in 2D (900 MBs) and 3D max settings (13-1400 MBs)
BattleField Bad Company 2 in 2D Was around 1350MBs.. doubt it was high settings though.
Just Cause 2 (2D 1200+ MBs) 3D (13-1441 MBs for the 3rd bench) Everything on and set on High.
Crysis 2D (13-1400+ MBs just walking around the first level everything maxed. ) Dont believe i tried 3D.
Was your resolution 5760x1080 or 5760x1200? do you think that extra room that the 1200 would take up might push those few benchmarks that near 1400-1500 over the limit? That is the only reason why i think i should go for the 3gb models myself.
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/04 00:05:09
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are you using the latest afterburner beta?
I dont know if you had 580s or 480s before this upgrade. But all the 5xx card wont allow for any voltage tuning on the latest afterburner release, so try the latest beta if you havent.
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/04 00:19:39
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I'm using MSI Afterburner Beta 7 and the voltage setting is blank with my GTX580's.
As for AHowes numbers, he's using 5760x1080 as Acer does not make a 23in 3D ready monitor with a resolution of 1920x1200. His number look spot on for a 5760x1080 resolution as far as VRAM being used. I don't think 120 more pixels of vertical resolution is going to make a significant impact on VRAM usage in regards to 5760x1200 vs 5760x1080. However, it's going to depend on the settings you use. If you like lots of AA, then spring for the 3GB models if you can live with 2 - 4xAA and in the odd instance no AA, then go with the 1.5GB models.
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/04 00:31:22
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Very nice review! :D Pm your way regarding high res images btw.
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/04 04:54:31
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surround isn't the only place where lots of vram is handy,
the holy grail of antialiasing, the xS modes can easily eat 1.5GB.
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/04 07:30:56
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Was your resolution 5760x1080 or 5760x1200? do you think that extra room that the 1200 would take up might push those few benchmarks that near 1400-1500 over the limit? That is the only reason why i think i should go for the 3gb models myself.
Actually i was using 6120x1080 at 120Mhz refresh rate.. Using the bezel adjusted screen res. The max these monitors have is 1920x1080.
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/04 07:34:13
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Personally i never really use any AA since i'm always after maximum frame rate.. though now that i've got enough power to go around i'll be seeing how much i can get away with, with this system. :)
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/04 07:49:51
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Hey Crap, Can these cards play Crysis? j/k  I would like to see the EYE CANDY in this game with your resolution and the VRAM consumption  Thanks in advanced 
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/04 07:51:38
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Also i'll throw out there that i believe you need the lastest MSI Afterburner Beta 6 to adjust the voltages on the 580s.
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/04 08:52:35
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EDIT: And yes I'm using the latest version of MSI AB but no voltage tuning is possible yet.
As for 3D surround, I don't own 120Hz screens to try it.
bummer man. hopefully it comes along
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/04 09:10:43
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Awesome, thanks for the info crap.
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/04 09:19:30
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Crap,
Nice work...
You must have robbed a bank to buy those cards!
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/04 10:51:45
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Hey crap how about dirt 2? Mine is a slide show.
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/04 11:25:25
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Nice review Crap. Thanks dude. I'm sure it will help a lot of people make up their minds.
Or help eVGA make up there minds on creating a 3gb card. It could be a limited edition...can we say GTX580 Classified? :)
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/04 11:28:09
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I guarantee you if a 3gb model was made, the computer animating community would buy up this card. None of us want to spend $800,$1500, or $3000 for a Quadro card to render. $600 for a card with 3gb of ram to get renders done plus when not working, can actually game on the card too.. you would be selling these like hot dogs at a baseball game.
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/04 11:59:14
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Was asked to run Bad Company 2 at max settings in Surround, heres my results.
Everything turned on and set on high with 16XQ CSAA and 4x Anisotrophic Filtering and HBAO on = 1526MBs peak. Slow at 30-60 FPS.
Everything the same but used 16X CSAA and not 16X Q and it was better at 1152MBS and well over 60 PFS.
Everything the same and 16X CSAA and Anisotrophic Filter at 16x and it ran at 1440+ MBS and well above 60 FPS.. Seriously playable with those settings and seen the frame rate go over 111 at times. :)
Damn nice with all the eye candy on and glad i tried it as i'll be using that from now on hehe.
Note: Runing Quad GTX580s SLI at 950/2100Mhz.
Note: Wanted to add that the other post i mentioned i didnt know what settings i was using.. well seen that i had everything at high and AA was at 4X before.
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Re:GTX580 3GB 3 Way SLI + Surround
2011/02/04 12:02:16
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Nice, now i just have to pick up two more 30" to get the full use of my incomming Gainward 580 Phantoms.
What i find odd is why Afterburner 2.1.0 beta6 dont work for you when all preview, review, comparison of Gainward Phantom 580 show that voltage can be monitored/no blank space with that tool and Palit supose to be the same exept the cooler.
Wish Nvidia supported portrait-landscape-portrait as well to make a cheap option of 30" center landscape and 2x20" in portait on the side in 2d surround.
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