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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 10:35:36 (permalink)
I agree helmutcheese....if EVGA came out with a card that blew away the others in low temps and noise via EE they would rule the market even if the card was 20-30 bucks more than the others.  Im glad i waited, Im thinking 2 FTW are gonna replace my akimbo 8800's :P

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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 10:41:36 (permalink)
TBH a few other vendors like Asus/Gigabyte and MSI have special models out that look good/run cool and OC like mad.

EVGA IMO should have better cards than them 3 out there also.

They have did it in the past but recently have nothing special to bring to the table IMO.

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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 11:44:48 (permalink)
Why don't you guys just stick this on your 460's and do some crazy overclocking?


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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 11:55:07 (permalink)
I do not have a 460 !

I also will never WC again, there is no need for it on today's GPU.

Peeps want a special card if its labeled the Flagship product of tis range not naysayers.

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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 11:57:34 (permalink)
areant the ftw ones usually water cooled?

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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 12:03:45 (permalink)
Recently YES, but the previous 200 series were not.

A 460 does not need WC'd.

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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 12:51:07 (permalink)
http://www.tomshardware.c...oundup-gf104,2714.html
the competitions OC'd models
no watercooling, all on air
the FTW edition would top everyone else's except jetway's but it being clocked at 4000mhz it could be on par or exceed it
to make everyone happy release 1GB and 2GB variants

i'm really happy with evga's quality, it just feels that there slow to react to the market and release something superior (or it was for a brief while)

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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 13:05:48 (permalink)
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The VRM's are cooled, stay tuned... Also min fanspeed will be 30%
 
So VRM's is actually cooled on the F.T.W ?

Why no go all out with the Flagship card !

Bigger fan (not crappy small Delta) even if this means a bulge in cooler like 8800Ultra though its fan did not use the extra space /  properly cooled VRM's (as you hinted above) / nice ribbed backplate will actually cool not just look bling) / high flow bracket as standard.

Charge more but its with it IMO.



They cant really put too much on it. It will add cost and start to encroach on their higher product model, such as the GTX470.


i think thats fine
that pricing model is acceptable
for example a fully loaded entry-level model car can reach the base price (or slightly more) of a mid-level model car
why can't it work for video cards?
if equipped with functional accessories (that would do it good since it's OC'd pretty heavily) i'd pay more for it, within reason of course and it's justifiable

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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 13:27:10 (permalink)
Video cards are not the same as cars. Imagine how many people would ask you why you went with a lesser model video card when you could have gotten a faster one for the same price. I sure as heck wouldn't buy a GTX 460 for the same price as a GTX 470.

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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 13:30:58 (permalink)
Im looking to get a pair of 460's when i get back from my travels late this year, hopefully prices will have dropped a tad. Wonder what the price is going to be on these FTW cards? I was looking at EVGA to begin with and only noticed today on a 460 SSC box that there is a "good, better, best" graph stuck on the front. Goes SC, SSC and FTW.

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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 13:57:11 (permalink)
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Video cards are not the same as cars. Imagine how many people would ask you why you went with a lesser model video card when you could have gotten a faster one for the same price. I sure as heck wouldn't buy a GTX 460 for the same price as a GTX 470.



This is what I was getting at. Why would anyone grab a 460 FTW that probably wont have much headroom to OC any farther when you can grab a GTX470 for the same price and be able to OC?


I'm seeing the FTW being prices at 280 at most, otherwise GTX470 would be the card of choice.


The GTX470 is has 25% more of everything over a GTX460. http://www.nvidia.com/object/graphics_cards_buy_now.html

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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 14:22:49 (permalink)
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I'm seeing the FTW being prices at 280 at most, otherwise GTX470 would be the card of choice.



You think they will be that expensive? Im thinking they may just creep into the £200 mark. EVGA's prices of 460's range from £167 (768MB standard) to £181 (1GB SC). If they do end up being more than £230 though the 470 may tempt people as those range from £220-£270.

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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 15:19:57 (permalink)
Is this true or not? Someone told me the gtx 460 SC is just a rebranded 8800 gt? Is this fricking true? I'd be so ticked if it is.
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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 15:27:06 (permalink)
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Is this true or not? Someone told me the gtx 460 SC is just a rebranded 8800 gt? Is this fricking true? I'd be so ticked if it is.



No, that is not true. A GTX460 is roughly 2.3 times as powerful as a 8800GT. A 9800GT is a rebranded 8800GT.
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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 15:27:23 (permalink)
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Is this true or not? Someone told me the gtx 460 SC is just a rebranded 8800 gt? Is this fricking true? I'd be so ticked if it is.


Not even close.  GTX 460 is based on GF104 Fermi architecture.  It is amazing compared to 8800GT.  People are comparing it to the 8800GT because in terms of price for performance it is as good as or better than the 8800GT was when it came out.



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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 15:51:37 (permalink)
See what I mean about Naysayers !

See the peeps who do not get that the Flagship 460 could acceptably be nearly the same price as a Vanilla 470, well they can simply buy the 470 and not complain.

I would rather have a special build of a GPU with far better components/cooling etc than a plain vanilla POS 1 model above it.

The FACT is the other 3 big vendors I mentioned above are doing it and getting most sales.

EVGA is losing a slice of that pie right now because I know for a fact most peeps are crying out for them 3 brands esp Gigabyte and MSI and who can blame them ?

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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 18:07:09 (permalink)
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See the peeps who do not get that the Flagship 460 could acceptably be nearly the same price as a Vanilla 470, well they can simply buy the 470 and not complain. 

 The FACT is the other 3 big vendors I mentioned above are doing it and getting most sales.

EVGA is losing a slice of that pie right now because I know for a fact most peeps are crying out for them 3 brands esp Gigabyte and MSI and who can blame them ?



From newegg, I see NO ONE pricing their "flagship OCed" 460s past stock 470s, so I dunno where you get the idea they are pricing and selling OCed 460s at 470s prices.


The closest gap is $30-$40 bucks, which is what I expect EVGA will do, unless they release a SSC edition of this card.

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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 18:16:22 (permalink)
RSC08

Seems it should be coming out soon...




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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 19:01:54 (permalink)
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See what I mean about Naysayers !

See the peeps who do not get that the Flagship 460 could acceptably be nearly the same price as a Vanilla 470, well they can simply buy the 470 and not complain.

I would rather have a special build of a GPU with far better components/cooling etc than a plain vanilla POS 1 model above it.

The FACT is the other 3 big vendors I mentioned above are doing it and getting most sales.

EVGA is losing a slice of that pie right now because I know for a fact most peeps are crying out for them 3 brands esp Gigabyte and MSI and who can blame them ?


if you buy based on cost | Power | performance and factor in decent thermals, the 460 utterly trashes the 470. that said, I will await nvidia's release of the full 104, it will trash the 470 in performance for the most part, ....F@H excluded.

 
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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 19:06:49 (permalink)
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See the peeps who do not get that the Flagship 460 could acceptably be nearly the same price as a Vanilla 470, well they can simply buy the 470 and not complain. 

The FACT is the other 3 big vendors I mentioned above are doing it and getting most sales.

EVGA is losing a slice of that pie right now because I know for a fact most peeps are crying out for them 3 brands esp Gigabyte and MSI and who can blame them ?

fxdrake84


From newegg, I see NO ONE pricing their "flagship OCed" 460s past stock 470s, so I dunno where you get the idea they are pricing and selling OCed 460s at 470s prices.


The closest gap is $30-$40 bucks, which is what I expect EVGA will do, unless they release a SSC edition of this card.

 
I do not get **** you reading in my posts as I NEVER stated a OC'd 460 should or does cost more than a 470 !
 
What I did do was reply on the topic that peeps claimed a 460 at that spec would touch on 470 pricing.
 
Learn to read what is posted and not invent BS I never said please !

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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 19:08:48 (permalink)
thats not to forget that nvidia also dropped the chips another $20 on the 5th.

 
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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 19:08:52 (permalink)
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RSC08

Seems it should be coming out soon...




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Simply solution is to not buy it then and keep quiet !

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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 19:10:03 (permalink)
squall-leonhartthat said, I will await nvidia's release of the full 104, it will trash the 470 in performance for the most part, ....F@H excluded.

Why would you exclude F@H?  The GPU's performance will factor into F@H as well.
 

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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 19:11:05 (permalink)
Nvidia dropped the price of the 768MB cards the other day not 1GB !

The 1GB sell so there is no need to drop them for now.

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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 19:35:32 (permalink)
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helmutcheese

See what I mean about Naysayers !

See the peeps who do not get that the Flagship 460 could acceptably be nearly the same price as a Vanilla 470, well they can simply buy the 470 and not complain.

I would rather have a special build of a GPU with far better components/cooling etc than a plain vanilla POS 1 model above it.

The FACT is the other 3 big vendors I mentioned above are doing it and getting most sales.

EVGA is losing a slice of that pie right now because I know for a fact most peeps are crying out for them 3 brands esp Gigabyte and MSI and who can blame them ?


if you buy based on cost | Power | performance and factor in decent thermals, the 460 utterly trashes the 470. that said, I will await nvidia's release of the full 104, it will trash the 470 in performance for the most part, ....F@H excluded.


is there truth to this or speculation?
if they do how long do i have to wait for evga to make FTW of this full GF104?
kidding aside i never anticipated to keep my 460 long term

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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 19:41:19 (permalink)
im looking forward to some news on this card, hopefully sooner than later

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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/06 20:11:50 (permalink)
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squall-leonhartthat said, I will await nvidia's release of the full 104, it will trash the 470 in performance for the most part, ....F@H excluded.

Why would you exclude F@H?  The GPU's performance will factor into F@H as well.
 


GF104 doesn't scale as well in folding, though that could just require tweaks to the core file, its even less useful as a double precision compute card, not that DP is really necessary for most people.

 
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Re:GTX460 FTW? 2010/09/08 01:33:32 (permalink)
how's the tessallation on GF104? obviously not as good as GF100 but 465 vs 460 is the tessallation superior on the 465?

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Corsair HX850W Professional Series
Corsair Dominator GT DDR3 1600 6GB 7-7-7-20
eVGA Nvidia GeForce GTX 780 Ti SC 3.0GB DDR5 ACX
WD VelociRaptor 300GB 10,000 RPM SATAII
WD Caviar Black 2TB/1TB/1TB 7,200 RPM SATAII
Razer Megalodon 7.1 Headset
Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum
Razer Onza Tournament Edition Xbox 360/PC Controller
Logitech G810 Orion Spectrum
Logitech X-540 5.1 Speaker System
LG M2362D 1920 x 1080 23" 60Hz (x2)
Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
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