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2016/10/18 19:06:18 (permalink)
just bought a GTX1060 SC 6GB and it comes with micron GDDR5 
its very disappointing... that memory will only overclock to +450 
i have two other GTX1060 
a EVGA GTX1060 SSC 6GB  memory overclock to +750 stable  *SAMSUNG memory
a INNO3D GTX1060 (short card) 6GB  memory overclock to +750 stable  *SAMSUNG memory
 
all new batch comes with MICRON memory now?
 
i saw that the new gtx1050ti still comes with samsung
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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/18 19:13:40 (permalink)
Ok.... Unless that extra +350 gives you a 30+FPS boost, i wouldnt really cry about it. 

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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/18 19:16:30 (permalink)
Yeah, the initial memory OC helps a good bit for many cards, but there is a diminishing return.
 
If you're that dissapointed, return the card and buy one from somewhere else.
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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/18 19:17:53 (permalink)
in furmark it gives me 4 extra frames in 720p test
not a small difference. almost like a gtx1060 3GB vs 6GB difference
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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/18 19:19:30 (permalink)
Any possibilty you could just save up some cash each day and do the step-up to the 1070? That will give you a massive improvement with FPS. 

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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/18 19:26:35 (permalink)
I have electro sensitivity problem , get headach from EMI radiation. all current cards that use more than 150W are no good for me
I have tried MSI GTX1070 , Gigabyte gtx1070, EVGA GTX1070, the EVGA gtx1070 have the highest EMI radio radiation of all three i have tried.
tried a RX480... they all have higher radiation that i can stand.
 
 GTX1060 of all card i have tried have much lower EMI radiation than the gtx1070s
 
and would like to stick with EVGA because EVGA have an excellent 5 year warranty in Taiwan.
so i would like to know if EVGA have changed all GDDR5 in gtx1060 to MICRON for good. for just a few batch. 
 
post edited by airfxca - 2016/10/18 19:31:32
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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/18 19:38:50 (permalink)
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just bought a GTX1060 SC 6GB and it comes with micron GDDR5 
its very disappointing... that memory will only overclock to +450 
i have two other GTX1060 
a EVGA GTX1060 SSC 6GB  memory overclock to +750 stable  *SAMSUNG memory
a INNO3D GTX1060 (short card) 6GB  memory overclock to +750 stable  *SAMSUNG memory
 
all new batch comes with MICRON memory now?
 
i saw that the new gtx1050ti still comes with samsung


Where are you saying that their are issues on the GTX 1060 to where you are having an issue in the first place?
+750 is absurd on the that low end of a Graphics Card.
If you are so bent on this why did you not just get another INNO3D GTX1060 to begin with?

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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/18 19:40:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Scarlet-Tech 2016/10/19 16:23:33
Anything over stock speeds isn't guaranteed.
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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/18 19:46:48 (permalink)
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I have electro sensitivity problem , get headach from EMI radiation. all current cards that use more than 150W are no good for me
I have tried MSI GTX1070 , Gigabyte gtx1070, EVGA GTX1070, the EVGA gtx1070 have the highest EMI radio radiation of all three i have tried.
tried a RX480... they all have higher radiation that i can stand.
 
 GTX1060 of all card i have tried have much lower EMI radiation than the gtx1070s
 
and would like to stick with EVGA because EVGA have an excellent 5 year warranty in Taiwan.
so i would like to know if EVGA have changed all GDDR5 in gtx1060 to MICRON for good. for just a few batch. 
 


You can get professional EMI shielding for that which you can install into your case, or have a pro do it for you. Whichever way you go, the 1060 will always have a limited amount of overclocking compared to a 1070. 

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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/18 20:06:26 (permalink)
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I have electro sensitivity problem , get headach from EMI radiation. all current cards that use more than 150W are no good for me
I have tried MSI GTX1070 , Gigabyte gtx1070, EVGA GTX1070, the EVGA gtx1070 have the highest EMI radio radiation of all three i have tried.
tried a RX480... they all have higher radiation that i can stand.
 
 GTX1060 of all card i have tried have much lower EMI radiation than the gtx1070s
 
and would like to stick with EVGA because EVGA have an excellent 5 year warranty in Taiwan.
so i would like to know if EVGA have changed all GDDR5 in gtx1060 to MICRON for good. for just a few batch. 
 


You can get professional EMI shielding for that which you can install into your case, or have a pro do it for you. Whichever way you go, the 1060 will always have a limited amount of overclocking compared to a 1070. 




 
the thing is the EMI radiation are mostly transmitted from the video card output to the LCD monitors, the more monitors the more radiation, for work i have to use two, if the boss permit me to buy a large 4k screen that would be great but thats not possible.
display-port to vge adaptor produce more EMI radiation
DVI have some EMI radiation
display-port have the lowest.
 
cant really shield the LCD monitors... cause i need to see it
 
the only solution i have is to buy multiple ferrite cores at different sizes to reduce the EMI radiation. gtx1060 radiation can be reduced to a comfortable state
but with gtx1070 doesnt matter how many ferrite cores, and what size... the EMI radiation still makes me dizzy ... 
 

can put a thick metal sheet to block the radition from the screen... but no i cant  really shield the screen...  cause i need to see it
post edited by airfxca - 2016/10/18 20:10:19
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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/18 20:24:12 (permalink)
Ahh. Ok didn't realize this was a work PC. That changes everything, especially when the boss is making the decisions. Carry on. 

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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/18 20:48:05 (permalink)
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in furmark it gives me 4 extra frames in 720p test
not a small difference. almost like a gtx1060 3GB vs 6GB difference




Furmark isn't a very good test since Nvidia has code in their drivers that limits performance to keep their cards from self destructing. Just look at your voltage compared to in game or in Heaven/Valley/3DMark - it's a lot lower, isn't it?
 
http://www.geeks3d.com/20101109/nvidia-geforce-gtx-580-the-anti-furmark-dx11-card/ 
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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/19 00:33:40 (permalink)
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in furmark it gives me 4 extra frames in 720p test
not a small difference. almost like a gtx1060 3GB vs 6GB difference




Furmark isn't a very good test since Nvidia has code in their drivers that limits performance to keep their cards from self destructing. Just look at your voltage compared to in game or in Heaven/Valley/3DMark - it's a lot lower, isn't it?
 
 




didnt do 3dmark, but i do keep an eye on the gpu boost speed and memory speed on furmark.
evga 1060 SC 6GB have higher clock speed , but lower memory overclock limit, stock speed i get 128FPS with gpu +100 and +450 on the memory i get 142FPS max on furmark
evga 1060 SSC 6GB, max overlcok , GPU+100, memory +750, i get 152FPS in furmark
INNO3d 1060 6GB (small card) have lower GPU clock and have a smller heatsink so i didnt overclock the GPU,stock speed without overclock is 128FPS, but with memory overclock +750, i get 142FPS on furmark...
 
one might say its the powerlimit, but NO, even with GPU down clock -100mhz, the memory would crash instantly after +500mhz.
micron on my gtx1060 is not as good as the regular samsung. hope its just the batch i got....and hope that the next batch would be samsung again
post edited by airfxca - 2016/10/19 04:27:32
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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/19 03:29:10 (permalink)
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didnt do 3dmark, but i do keep an eye on the gpu boost speed and memory speed on furmark.
evga 1060 SC 6GB have higher clock speed , but lower memory overclock limit, stock speed i get 128FPS with gpu +100 and +450 on the memory i get 142FPS max on furmark
evga 1060 SSC 6GB, max overlcok , GPU+100, memory +750, i get 152FPS in furmark
INNO3d 1060 6GB (small card) have lower GPU clock and have a smller heatsink so i didnt overclock the GPU,stock speed without overclock is 128FPS, but with memory overclock +750, i get 142FPS on furmark...
 
one might say its the powerlimit, but NO, even with GPU down clock -100mhz, the memory would crash instantly after +500mhz.
micron on my gtx1060 is not as good as the regular samsung. hope its just the batch i'm getting.... hope the next batch would be samsung again




Welcome to the cheap Micron memory club, anyone who tried Samsung cards followed by Micron cards will instantly notice the difference the minute they install the Micron card into the system, i have had exactly similar experience like yours, had a Samsung GTX 1070 worked wonderfully, followed by a Micron GTX 1070 and i was disappointed the moment i installed it into the system, aside from Overclocking potential, the card with Micron felt more laggy in 4K , there is a theory that there is inconsistent frame time with Micron vRAM, if you have both cards in the same time can you measure frame times in the same application and same rendering scene with each card individually and report back if there is a frame time inconsistency with the Micron memory card?
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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/19 04:29:18 (permalink)
damn... i knew about the new batch of 1070 have memory problem just didnt know its on 1060 now...
 
inconsistent frame time? you mean inconsistent latency?
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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/19 06:23:19 (permalink)
I did not know that they switched to Micron on the GTX 1060 before reading your thread, i was expecting them to start using Samsung again on the GTX 1070 to make it great again, but i did expect them to trash the GTX 1060 with Micron memory, but they seem very stubborn and insistent in infecting all recent Pascal batches with Micron GDDR5 poison!
 
And i was just going to purchase the GTX 1060 to replace my Micron 1070 under the impression that all come with Samsung!
 
Frame Time is the time it takes to generate each and every frame, FPS measures how many frame in total are produced during one second, while Frame time measures the distribution of frame production, so if during that one second frames production is not distributed evenly, the game will feel laggy or stuttery and Frame Time measurement is the tool to detect that.
 
I Just measured FrameTime using AfterBurner with my Micron GTX 1070 and the graph jumps all over the place with some huge spikes, this explains why i am getting such a laggy gameplay experience with the card.
 
If you have AfterBurner go to settings/options then go to the Monitoring tab, select FrameRate and FrameTime in the list of things being monitored, play for a while, say 10 minutes and then check the graphs see if you have a consistent or jumpy Frametime graph and report back or better post a screenshot.
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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/19 06:34:50 (permalink)
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I did not know that they switched to Micron on the GTX 1060 before reading your thread, i was expecting them to start using Samsung again on the GTX 1070 to make it great again, but i did expect them to trash the GTX 1060 with Micron memory, but they seem very stubborn and insistent in infecting all recent Pascal batches with Micron GDDR5 poison!
 
And i was just going to purchase the GTX 1060 to replace my Micron 1070 under the impression that all come with Samsung!
 
Frame Time is the time it takes to generate each and every frame, FPS measures how many frame in total are produced during one second, while Frame time measures the distribution of frame production, so if during that one second frames production is not distributed evenly, the game will feel laggy or stuttery and Frame Time measurement is the tool to detect that.
 
I Just measured FrameTime using AfterBurner with my Micron GTX 1070 and the graph jumps all over the place with some huge spikes, this explains why i am getting such a laggy gameplay experience with the card.
 
If you have AfterBurner go to settings/options then go to the Monitoring tab, select FrameRate and FrameTime in the list of things being monitored, play for a while, say 10 minutes and then check the graphs see if you have a consistent or jumpy Frametime graph and report back or better post a screenshot.




You might want to test that at stock speeds as well. Why? An unstable OC can cause inconsistent results, and I would wager that includes frame times.
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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/19 07:00:29 (permalink)
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You might want to test that at stock speeds as well. Why? An unstable OC can cause inconsistent results, and I would wager that includes frame times.



Unfortunately this happens at stock settings and explains why sometimes i can not pass FireStrike stress test with Frame inconsistency error.
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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/19 08:59:32 (permalink)
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You might want to test that at stock speeds as well. Why? An unstable OC can cause inconsistent results, and I would wager that includes frame times.



Unfortunately this happens at stock settings and explains why sometimes i can not pass FireStrike stress test with Frame inconsistency error.




I'd call up or email EVGA and start a RMA if it fails the 3DMark frame consistency test at stock settings: http://www.evga.com/about/contactus/ 
post edited by arestavo - 2016/10/19 09:02:05
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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/19 16:18:43 (permalink)
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You might want to test that at stock speeds as well. Why? An unstable OC can cause inconsistent results, and I would wager that includes frame times.



Unfortunately this happens at stock settings and explains why sometimes i can not pass FireStrike stress test with Frame inconsistency error.




I'd call up or email EVGA and start a RMA if it fails the 3DMark frame consistency test at stock settings: http://www.evga.com/about/contactus/ 


It's the Micron Conspiracy Club at it again, where Micron overclocks should meet Samsung overclocks, and vise/versa. Regardless of a 350+ clock showing only a 5+ fps boost for Samsung memory (if that), the card is still considered trash to "certain users" because Micron can't match Samsung, but forget about the fact it only adds maybe a 5+ FPS gain, that's irrelevant . (no pun on the OP at all).

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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/19 17:37:41 (permalink)
If it helps someone, I have Micron memory too (GTX 1060 SC 6GB) but it seems to have consitent frame times, between 16 to 20, during 50 to 60 fps. Maybe it's a BIOS issue like I have read it was with the 1070s: forums.evga.com/FindPost/2565105
 
But this thread made me wondering if memory has GPU Boost 3.0 too? Because on games I see it always at 2003mhz (measured with GPU-Z), however, when rendering with a GPU based renderer, it goes down to 1901mhz. (If you are curious, you can test a benchmark GPU rendering downloading this little software for example:  www.randomcontrol.com/arionbench )
 
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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/19 19:01:44 (permalink)
No, that's just a power state change and not "VRAM boost 3.0."
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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/19 19:49:56 (permalink)
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If it helps someone, I have Micron memory too (GTX 1060 SC 6GB) but it seems to have consitent frame times, between 16 to 20, during 50 to 60 fps. Maybe it's a BIOS issue like I have read it was with the 1070s: forums.evga.com/FindPost/2565105
 
But this thread made me wondering if memory has GPU Boost 3.0 too? Because on games I see it always at 2003mhz (measured with GPU-Z), however, when rendering with a GPU based renderer, it goes down to 1901mhz. (If you are curious, you can test a benchmark GPU rendering downloading this little software for example: www.randomcontrol.com/arionbench )
 
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Nvidia has always run the memory speeds lower when processing data versus processing a game. Maybe that is what you are seeing. The 780ti would download from 7000mhz to 6000mhz while processing videos or folding.
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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/19 22:01:10 (permalink)
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If it helps someone, I have Micron memory too (GTX 1060 SC 6GB) but it seems to have consitent frame times, between 16 to 20, during 50 to 60 fps. Maybe it's a BIOS issue like I have read it was with the 1070s: forums.evga.com/FindPost/2565105
 
But this thread made me wondering if memory has GPU Boost 3.0 too? Because on games I see it always at 2003mhz (measured with GPU-Z), however, when rendering with a GPU based renderer, it goes down to 1901mhz. (If you are curious, you can test a benchmark GPU rendering downloading this little software for example:&nbsp www.randomcontrol.com/arionbench )
 
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Thank you for the info, i am glad that at last some bothered to measure FrameTime, that indeed looks like a very consistent graph, mine does not look anything like this, it jumps all over the place ..
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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/19 22:11:20 (permalink)
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If it helps someone, I have Micron memory too (GTX 1060 SC 6GB) but it seems to have consitent frame times, between 16 to 20, during 50 to 60 fps. Maybe it's a BIOS issue like I have read it was with the 1070s: forums.evga.com/FindPost/2565105
 
But this thread made me wondering if memory has GPU Boost 3.0 too? Because on games I see it always at 2003mhz (measured with GPU-Z), however, when rendering with a GPU based renderer, it goes down to 1901mhz. (If you are curious, you can test a benchmark GPU rendering downloading this little software for example:&nbsp www.randomcontrol.com/arionbench )
 
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Thank you for the info, i am glad that at last some bothered to measure FrameTime, that indeed looks like a very consistent graph, mine does not look anything like this, it jumps all over the place ..


Have you called EVGA like arestavo suggested? Earlier up in the thread you said that your GPU is running at stock clocks, but it is not staying consisent. That's enough evidence and should warrant an RMA to be needed. 

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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/20 06:16:18 (permalink)
GamerSX, what about trying to activate Vsync and adjust settings to have consistent 60FPS? I am not an expert, but maybe with this you will have consistent frame times because there is not FPS "jumps". My graph was on that situation (50-60fps), but I will try it again with your (suposed by me) parameters: unlimited framerate, no Vsync and ultra settings (in my case I tested with The Witcher 3 almost ultra, but not ultra-ultra).
 
PS: thank you all for the answers to my question aswell.
 
EDITED: It seems to be still consistent for me. (Notice that positive peaks of framerate are coincident exactly with negative peaks of frame time). Well, it's the first time I "analize" frame times, but I think this is the normal behaviour.
 
 
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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/25 16:56:26 (permalink)
I got Micron memory with my 1080 FTW.
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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/25 18:38:30 (permalink)
I got Samsung memory with my 1060 SSC.
 
Luck of the draw maybe?
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Re: GTX1060 SC 6GB with Micron GDDR5 now? 2016/10/25 19:10:45 (permalink)
I have to ask two question about Graphics Memory and the need to overclock.
 
Why buy a low end graphics card and then complain that it cannot be overclock on the Memory this is the first question.
Buy a High End Card or at least a Midrange Card is the First Place, this is not an answer.
 
My second question is other then Pure Benchmarking and again not on low end graphics cards what true reason for overclocking the graphics memory, it is not going to make the game run faster it is not going to give you more fps beyond what the human eyes can see.
 
I have been overclocking CPUs and GPUs for a few year now and I have never really overclock the Graphics Memory only the GPU Clock.
Back in the day on Graphics Cards you needed overclock both but only for stability, but this is no longer the case.

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