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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 07:19:33 (permalink)
    Awesome card hah xD
     
    My great news is that I will be buying my first of two EVGA GTX 780 Ti SC's within 4 weeks, just after I turn 37 YOA xDDD
    Also I plan to do a GTX 780 Ti Break down topic, so people will have a good insight on how to maintain these cards, thereby keeping them clean and in good shape for a better lifespan!
    This also will aid the GTX 770, GTX 780 & GTX Titan owners that have the Titan type coolers
     
    So stay tuned for my review on how to maintain these beauties
     
    Btw I really like it's CUDA performance compared to the GTX Titan:
    http://www.tomshardware.c...enchmarks,3663-14.html
    post edited by Gold Leader - 2013/11/07 07:40:41


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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 08:43:47 (permalink)
    I wonder how long it will be before Titan is EOL'd.  I guess all it has going for it now is 6GB....

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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 09:04:59 (permalink)
    Nice.
    I really dont see why the titan owner would be mad, it was bound to happen. It is just like every other new part or device, it gets replaced by something faster and cheaper.

                                   
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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 09:16:48 (permalink)
    Competition is good, but the pricing needs to come way down.

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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 09:21:38 (permalink)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 Ti
     
    It's faster cheaper and better overall, but the Titan was more of an experiement it seemed.  NVIDIA plans to use the Titan for the Professional market it seems, the Titan Sales were not so successful, not in my country anyways.
     
    So to fix this, NVIDIA needed something better to some degree, in that way that will give NVIDIA the leading crown back as High End VGA's go, but at a much more affordable price tag wise, the only thing where AMD does win is when it comes to price/performance, their R9 290X surely proved that hands down.
     
    The R9 290X cost around 455 Euro's now, even that it gets noisy and hot, most people use after market coolers anyways, so that problem can always be evaded likewise.
    As the Drivers go NVIDA & AMD I found that both had their ups and downs, so I can't say much about that from my experience.
     
    So yeah AMD also has a High End VGA card that performs also faster than a GTX Titan for the price that is lower than a normal GTX 780! So due to that, NVIDIA actually has nothing to really compete with that, which still forms a problem that even the GTX 780 Ti can't fix.
     
    Even that that is the case, I still choose the GTX 780 Ti, simply because CUDA is also my kind of thing besides games, with that the GTX 780 Ti is still a good alternative over the GTX Titan due to it's greater amount of CUDA Cores, where a greater VRAM is irrelevant to the purpose of use or such workloads.
     
    But yer everything has gotten more expensive these days and since we are all part of a very expensive hobby, I am going to accept the prices for what they are.
    post edited by Gold Leader - 2013/11/07 09:24:04


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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 09:35:47 (permalink)
    I look at it this way.  I spent $1800 for 2 780 classifieds with waterblocks.  If the cards were 550 a piece I would have bought 3 cards.  I guess I dont know what is better, higher volume or higher profit margin less volume.

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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 11:29:22 (permalink)
    Personally, I'm unimpressed to say the least. Mainly I feel that the price is not really justified for the marginal gains it poses. A few %(performance) over the R9 290X really isn't worth an extra 40% of the price. 10-15% would be okay though.
     
    Price needs to come down to be competitive IMO. Especially given that the HD 7990 is also $700. If retail price on them ever drops to ~$550 I'd buy 3, but I won't pay $700 for them.
     
    Performance is 2x of a GTX 680(roughly) which are used at ~$200-250 now, so the price/performance isn't there yet.
    post edited by Halo_003 - 2013/11/07 11:32:37

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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 11:34:55 (permalink)
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    Personally, I'm unimpressed to say the least. Mainly I feel that the price is not really justified for the marginal gains it poses. A few %(performance) over the R9 290X really isn't worth an extra 40% of the price. 10-15% would be okay though.
     
    Price needs to come down to be competitive IMO. Especially given that the HD 7990 is also $700.




    Not to mention with the low amount of memory anyone looking for surround\4K will most likely go the cheaper route and go with the 290X that AMD\ATI has to offer. Nvidia HAD a chance to really nail it for surround\4K support but they blew it. I was thinking of stepping up my 770 SC ACX to a 780 Ti but it's not worth it at this point. I'll wait till the 800 Series and see what the memory situation is like.


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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 11:39:58 (permalink)
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    Personally, I'm unimpressed to say the least. Mainly I feel that the price is not really justified for the marginal gains it poses. A few %(performance) over the R9 290X really isn't worth an extra 40% of the price. 10-15% would be okay though.
     
    Price needs to come down to be competitive IMO. Especially given that the HD 7990 is also $700.




    Not to mention with the low amount of memory anyone looking for surround\4K will most likely go the cheaper route and go with the 290X that AMD\ATI has to offer. Nvidia HAD a chance to really nail it for surround\4K support but they blew it. I was thinking of stepping up my 770 SC ACX to a 780 Ti but it's not worth it at this point. I'll wait till the 800 Series and see what the memory situation is like.




     
    I had hoped when the 290X was announced at $499 that what would happen is as follows...
     
    GTX 690 --> $700 to compete with HD 7990 *(Didn't expect this to happen).
    GTX 780--> $400 to compete directly with the 290
    GTX 770--> ~$325 to compete with R9 280/280X
    GTX TITAN--> $600 and receive an ULTRA version w/ higher clocks(1.1GHz or so) to remain top dog
    GTX 780Ti--> $500 to directly compete and win against R9 290X
     
    Is it realistic? Probably not, but if I were still making money on the cards that's what I'd do. IMO, higher volume > higher profit margin per card.
     
    Edit: Another thing to consider is that CF R9 290's is $800, and that would easily stomp 780Ti.
    post edited by Halo_003 - 2013/11/07 11:51:28

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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 11:43:40 (permalink)
    I don't regret my titans, only my luck in timing lol I was at a point where I needed a new card to even play newer games and I went for the best at the time. At this point amd is better, I knew the price was crazy, but nvidia is getting cocky.
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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 11:53:22 (permalink)
    Amazing card.  GK110 is a beast.  Since in my area the EVGA GTX780Ti is only $100 more than a 290X, and for that I get EVGA support, a better made card overall.....meaning a card that runs cooler and that is way quieter, a card that overclocks well, and amazing performance.......$100 extra well spent.  Looks like my GTX285 is finally losing it's place. 

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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 12:14:44 (permalink)
    Very tempting but I think something just a little better is coming very soon from NVIDIA.

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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 12:24:05 (permalink)
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    Very tempting but I think something just a little better is coming very soon from NVIDIA.




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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 13:09:19 (permalink)
    The 680 was top dog for a year.  The Titan made it 6 months.

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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 14:43:44 (permalink)
    I feel like the 290x has a far better overclock headroom when those get better coolers. 
    Would love to see how far the 780ti OC, cause I hear people have hit 1600 with the 290x on water rather easily.
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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 14:54:39 (permalink)
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    Personally, I'm unimpressed to say the least. Mainly I feel that the price is not really justified for the marginal gains it poses. A few %(performance) over the R9 290X really isn't worth an extra 40% of the price. 10-15% would be okay though.
     
    Price needs to come down to be competitive IMO. Especially given that the HD 7990 is also $700.




    Not to mention with the low amount of memory anyone looking for surround\4K will most likely go the cheaper route and go with the 290X that AMD\ATI has to offer. Nvidia HAD a chance to really nail it for surround\4K support but they blew it. I was thinking of stepping up my 770 SC ACX to a 780 Ti but it's not worth it at this point. I'll wait till the 800 Series and see what the memory situation is like.




     
    I had hoped when the 290X was announced at $499 that what would happen is as follows...
     
    GTX 690 --> $700 to compete with HD 7990 *(Didn't expect this to happen).
    GTX 780--> $400 to compete directly with the 290
    GTX 770--> ~$325 to compete with R9 280/280X
    GTX TITAN--> $600 and receive an ULTRA version w/ higher clocks(1.1GHz or so) to remain top dog
    GTX 780Ti--> $500 to directly compete and win against R9 290X
     
    Is it realistic? Probably not, but if I were still making money on the cards that's what I'd do. IMO, higher volume > higher profit margin per card.
     
    Edit: Another thing to consider is that CF R9 290's is $800, and that would easily stomp 780Ti.


    This would be very realistic yes and it would work also, this way NV would be competing with AMD a lot better, but I also think it's due to the unhealthy economy people are facing, could it be that NVIDIA uses much more expensive parts for their products to be so more expensive, or is it more like intel, that you pay more for the name?
    Which is something I'd lean more towards to.


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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 15:26:05 (permalink)
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    The 680 was top dog for a year.  The Titan made it 6 months.



    The following excerpt from a tom's article linked below reveals that a GK110 might have launched earlier and that the GK104 (GTX 680) was a gamble to compete against AMD with. Apparently Nvidia was way far ahead. Because of that, Nvidia can out do AMD incrementally every time they come out with something new.
     
    article from tom's hardware
     As we now know,Nvidia needed around 18,000 GK110s to sell to the government in the form of Tesla cards. So, it made the decision to take GK104 to market first, not necessarily knowing how the card that later became GeForce GTX 680 would fare against AMD’s best effort. 

     
    Here's the link to the article
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-history-geforce-gtx-690,3605-2.html
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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 15:50:46 (permalink)
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    article from tom's hardware
     As we now know,Nvidia needed around 18,000 GK110s to sell to the government in the form of Tesla cards. So, it made the decision to take GK104 to market first, not necessarily knowing how the card that later became GeForce GTX 680 would fare against AMD’s best effort. 
     
    Here's the link to the article
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-history-geforce-gtx-690,3605-2.html

     
    Cray =/= government. Not sure what Tom's is talking about there. The whole reason GTX TITAN is named that is because of the Cray TITAN super computer being based on the cards IIRC.
     
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    This would be very realistic yes and it would work also, this way NV would be competing with AMD a lot better, but I also think it's due to the unhealthy economy people are facing, could it be that NVIDIA uses much more expensive parts for their products to be so more expensive, or is it more like intel, that you pay more for the name?
    Which is something I'd lean more towards to.



    My assumption is that you are correct indeed. Not sure how the price per mm^2 works out for producing the GK110 compared to Hawaii though so I can't comment on that part. Otherwise I think many components are the same (memory, VRMs etc), so more cost goes into the cooler(obvious) and the name.

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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 15:53:26 (permalink)
    I believe everything I read. I apologize :p
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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 19:09:32 (permalink)
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    I believe everything I read. I apologize :p


    No need man it's all cool
     
    Here a trip down Memory Lane that contains some cool history which explains where NVIDIA got the Ti suffix from and also the first cards that carried it 
     
    The Ti suffix means Titanium, that is for the ones that didn't know this and it was first used with the GeForce3 Ti 500, Geforce3 Ti 200 & GeForce2 Ti 200 all the way back in 2001
     
    Here my NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti-500 AGP 64MB 128Bit DDR1 Rev.A00 4401 PR2 Board:

    PR2 means Preview Reference 2, probably from a second batch, in other words it's a Pre-Production Prototype
     
    Here the rear view of it:

     
    Here a GPU-Z of this oldie, this was the GTX 780 Ti of 2001, you can put it that way hehe:

    As you can see it's VRAM runs @ 516Mhz DDR, factory models had their VRAM stock @ 500Mhz DDR
     
    And the FSAA & AF settings tab:

     
    For the GeForce2 Series the GeForce2 Ti 200 was also released at the same time the GeForce 3 Ti 200 & 500 were released.
     
    Here the official NVIDIA GeForce3 Ti page:
    http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce3.html
     
    And here Anandtech revealing what the suffix Ti means:
    http://www.anandtech.com/show/831
     
    "The "Ti" obviously stands for Titanium, and the number actually denotes the effective memory clock of the card."
     
    So the Geforce GTX 780 Ti is actually a GeForce GTX 780 Titanium 7000 since it's ram runs at 7000 Mhz QDR haha xDDDD
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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 19:46:38 (permalink)
    Speaking of a trip down memory lane... I built my first PC in 2003. This is the GPU I bought for it:
    ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
     
    Crazy to see that these things were worth ~$400 back in the day.
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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 20:09:29 (permalink)
    Well I was referring to the Ti Suffix where it came from , thereby the explanation
     
    The 9800 Pro which uses the R350 VPU, is a refresh of the Radeon 9700 Pro, which has the R300VPU with DX 9.0a, SM2.0a & Pixel Shader 2.0a support, the 9800Pro added Pixel & vertex Shader model 2.0b to the package, which allowed it to be used with DX 9.0b.
     
    And later the R360 VPU was made for the Radeon 9800 XT.
     
    Radeon 9700 Pro was put up against GeForce4 Ti 4600, matrox parhelia P512, GeForce FX 5800 Ultra and itbeat them all especially whe FSAA & AF were used.
    Radeon 9800 Pro came with a 128MB 256Bit DDR1 model and a 256MB 256Bit DDRII model, both were aimed agaisnt the Geforce FX 5900 Ultra, they were able to defeat it with ease.
    Radeon 9800 XT was set up against theGeForce FX 5950 Ultra, which it also beaten with plentiful ease.
     
    The entire Radeon 9700 & 9800 series were ATi's most successful VGA cards of all time, GeForce FX was NVIDIA's worst of all time, , they did pick up the pace again with their might GeForce 6800 series, which performed on par with ATI's X800 & X850 line of cards.
     
    When NVIDIA came with GeForce 7800 GTX ATi came with their delayed R520 VPU, which supported DX 9.0c but it was the only VGA card that could combine FSAA + AF with HDR, with the GeForce 6 & 7 series it was wither HDR + AF or FSAA + AF in most cases the GeForce 7800 GTX was faster, mainly with OpenGL games.
     
    When ATi Launched their X1900 XTX NV launched their 7900 GTX & 7900 GX2 to compete with it, ATI's R580 VPU was far more powerful than the G71 in this case, the GeForce 7900 GX2 was needed to keep up with the X1900 XTX, with openGL the Geforce cards were still the better ones to get, but with DirectX TI had the clear lead.
     
    So to improve this NVIDIA also launched their Geforce 7950 GX2 line of cards, as where ATi came with their X1950 XTX series, ATi still had a good lead over NVIDIA, but this party didn't last for long as they failed with HD 2900 XT versus GeFroce 8800 GTX, with this G80 monster, the high performance crown was retaken by NVIDIA once again
    Their GeForce 8800 GTX & Ultra made new world records also and the basic designs of today's CUDA based GPGPU's are all ancestors of the might G80 GPGPU.
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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/07 20:20:28 (permalink)

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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/08 06:58:20 (permalink)
    looks to me like nvidia was aiming at the hardcore crowd rather than the ultra enthusiast with 4k set ups. Which makes sense to me because there is not that big of a crowd to market to at 4k. The card does perform very well at the 2560x1600 resolution, I don't think the price for it is justifiable though, needs to come down a bit.

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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/08 15:57:24 (permalink)
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    Well I was referring to the Ti Suffix where it came from , thereby the explanation
     
    The 9800 Pro which uses the R350 VPU, is a refresh of the Radeon 9700 Pro, which has the R300VPU with DX 9.0a, SM2.0a & Pixel Shader 2.0a support, the 9800Pro added Pixel & vertex Shader model 2.0b to the package, which allowed it to be used with DX 9.0b.
     
    And later the R360 VPU was made for the Radeon 9800 XT.
     
    Radeon 9700 Pro was put up against GeForce4 Ti 4600, matrox parhelia P512, GeForce FX 5800 Ultra and itbeat them all especially whe FSAA & AF were used.
    Radeon 9800 Pro came with a 128MB 256Bit DDR1 model and a 256MB 256Bit DDRII model, both were aimed agaisnt the Geforce FX 5900 Ultra, they were able to defeat it with ease.
    Radeon 9800 XT was set up against theGeForce FX 5950 Ultra, which it also beaten with plentiful ease.
     
    The entire Radeon 9700 & 9800 series were ATi's most successful VGA cards of all time, GeForce FX was NVIDIA's worst of all time, , they did pick up the pace again with their might GeForce 6800 series, which performed on par with ATI's X800 & X850 line of cards.
     
    When NVIDIA came with GeForce 7800 GTX ATi came with their delayed R520 VPU, which supported DX 9.0c but it was the only VGA card that could combine FSAA + AF with HDR, with the GeForce 6 & 7 series it was wither HDR + AF or FSAA + AF in most cases the GeForce 7800 GTX was faster, mainly with OpenGL games.
     
    When ATi Launched their X1900 XTX NV launched their 7900 GTX & 7900 GX2 to compete with it, ATI's R580 VPU was far more powerful than the G71 in this case, the GeForce 7900 GX2 was needed to keep up with the X1900 XTX, with openGL the Geforce cards were still the better ones to get, but with DirectX TI had the clear lead.
     
    So to improve this NVIDIA also launched their Geforce 7950 GX2 line of cards, as where ATi came with their X1950 XTX series, ATi still had a good lead over NVIDIA, but this party didn't last for long as they failed with HD 2900 XT versus GeFroce 8800 GTX, with this G80 monster, the high performance crown was retaken by NVIDIA once again
    Their GeForce 8800 GTX & Ultra made new world records also and the basic designs of today's CUDA based GPGPU's are all ancestors of the might G80 GPGPU.


    crazy times them were, i had one of the hair dryer fx5800, it was so loud that i had to quit using it after 6 months, i had a GF3 Ti 500 also and loved that card, came from a tnt m64 and a rage pro and it was like night and day, even had a Ti4200 and it was nice. man i wish i would have kept them all.

                                   
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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/08 18:49:01 (permalink)
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    I feel like the 290x has a far better overclock headroom when those get better coolers. 
    Would love to see how far the 780ti OC, cause I hear people have hit 1600 with the 290x on water rather easily.



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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/08 20:56:51 (permalink)
    It's said that AMD is holding AIB's back from release of there cards until the 780 Ti showed up to see what there dealing with and a 2nd chance at the crown which means the 290x is sand bagging as it's known now that powertune can add performance with driver updates to both 290 and 290x..
     
    Nvidia has no answer for the 290 that runs with the 780GTX and Titan at $399


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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/08 21:02:25 (permalink)
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    It's said that AMD is holding AIB's back from release of there cards until the 780 Ti showed up to see what there dealing with and a 2nd chance at the crown which means the 290x is sand bagging as it's known now that powertune can add performance with driver updates to both 290 and 290x..
     
    Nvidia has no answer for the 290 that runs with the 780GTX and Titan at $399




    Except that a reference 780 can OC better than a reference 290 because of how much headroom there is with temps. So if you want to start getting into aftermarket cooling, the price goes up.
    Hell, in Linus' review of the 780 Ti, he was OCing all the cards tested and a reference 780 OC'd was beating the 290x OC'd in all benchmarks at 1080p (the ref 780 starts losing ground in higher resolutions). So $500 780 beating $550 290x? Benchmarks in the video link below.
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1JOhT015ww
     
    If you're talking about price for a card without overclocking (although I feel that 290 is OC'd right out of the box), then fine 290 is the winner hands down.
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    Re: GTX 780 Ti Review/Benchmarks 2013/11/08 21:33:10 (permalink)
    Also depends on scaling as overclock for overclock as the R9 290 Tomshardware played with adding an aftermarket cooler added 20% performance before driver update to 13.11 v8 which then cut it to 13% at 1150mhz can be seen here..
     
    http://www.tomshardware.c...benchmark,3659-19.html
     
    If you add 13% to the 290 that cost $399 in the Tomhardware benchmark for the 780Ti with an aftermarket cooler then even the 780Ti can be a victim in the price wars to a card that cost $399 .. even 290x is a victim.


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