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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 00:15:16
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Well all WU's I have worked on these GPU's have all kept the cards at 99% load, even the 8057.
never seeing above 78c on a hot day till the 76xx WU.
I gave 300+ for each card & to me there still worth that to me.
The 76xx may be good for science but not my pocket book if it fries them.
78c was a bit much but I allowed that, but will stop folding all together on them if all WU start
running them at 88c. 600 bucks is hard to come by in my neck of the woods.
I just sold my car trailer that could make money and bought folding hardware that can't with a 1000 of that, not so smart I guess. lol
Its actually a very good thing that they are going to QRB now, because as it was my video
cards were sitting idle most of the time because of heat & low PPD.
I know it all about the good this can do & I enjoy contributing to the cause , but its also about knowing when to draw the line in some cases. Heat & destroying equipment is my line.
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 00:22:22
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if you're buying new cards they are under warranty so you are not losing $600 (all you lose is time and shipping for RMA)
most cards you have to budget for replacement every 3 years (since warranty expires after that)...and you do have to keep up with the Jones so to speak (both folding & gaming)
so I live with the motto fold em hard while they are under warranty if breaks you get a replacement.
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 00:34:57
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Naw not wasting my money with muti RMA shipping cost.
I try to take care of even under warranty hardware because RMA is a PITA. lol
That doesn't include the down time either. That's why we are all different, some do, some don't. To each there own value.
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 00:38:09
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88c is hot,
is there anything you can do about the airflow in your case?
I'm currently plowing through a 7626 on my 660Ti and it's at 67c .
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 00:43:37
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I don't think any of my cards get over 70c
66 on the 570
56-60 on the 670's
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 00:43:54
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Simba123
88c is hot,
is there anything you can do about the airflow in your case?
I'm currently plowing through a 7626 on my 660Ti and it's at 67c .
Case?? Have no stinkin case. lol This is all open air bench setups with extra fans. The cards are clean on a regular bases along with everything else. So neither is the problem, only certain WU's is the problem. Edit: btw a 6xx card is going to run cooler than a 4xx its designed to use less power & run cooler than these cards.
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 00:54:03
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Well all WU's I have worked on these GPU's have all kept the cards at 99% load, even the 8057.
never seeing above 78c on a hot day till the 76xx WU.
I gave 300+ for each card & to me there still worth that to me.
The 76xx may be good for science but not my pocket book if it fries them.
78c was a bit much but I allowed that, but will stop folding all together on them if all WU start
running them at 88c. 600 bucks is hard to come by in my neck of the woods.
I just sold my car trailer that could make money and bought folding hardware that can't with a 1000 of that, not so smart I guess. lol
Its actually a very good thing that they are going to QRB now, because as it was my video
cards were sitting idle most of the time because of heat & low PPD.
I know it all about the good this can do & I enjoy contributing to the cause , but its also about knowing when to draw the line in some cases. Heat & destroying equipment is my line.
I wouldn't run them at 80c+, that's too hot for me. under clock them. I was running some 460SC's in the garage and two are problem cards now. I don't like cards that vent into the case.
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 01:04:09
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TheWolf
Simba123
88c is hot,
is there anything you can do about the airflow in your case?
I'm currently plowing through a 7626 on my 660Ti and it's at 67c .
Case?? Have no stinkin case. lol This is all open air bench setups with extra fans.
The cards are clean on a regular bases along with everything else.
So neither is the problem, only certain WU's is the problem.
Edit: btw a 6xx card is going to run cooler than a 4xx its designed to use less power & run cooler than these cards.
ya 4xx's run hot you need a ice cold basement floor or a ice cold garage in winter (I've got both) plenty of snow here
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 01:09:21
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If they were in a case it wouldn't be a problem as these card vent out the back. But there not in a case & have a 120nm fan setting on top blowing down on the heat pipes & there still hitting 88c when working the 76xx WU. 82/83c on a cool night like tonight.
Another reason I was only folding on the vcards at night for the longest was because it was cooler & could get the temps down to a reasonable level.
I would start them sometime after dark with -onunit so they would finish the work before the heat of the day set in the next day.
@XZ you are so luck we are still seeing 70+ degree days here about every few days. The weather here on the gulf cost is crazy like that every winter. I've seen it 80 degrees on Dec. 25th in years past here.
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 01:19:16
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@asus, it does play nice with 470s, ive tried before
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 02:40:27
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Extra heat is a direct function of the cards being driven harder. There have been lots of gripes over the years about WU that have heated up cards and it has always been answered by bigger harder wu will push the cards more thus generating more heat.
As XZ stated earlier, these are smaller test units and are not really pushing the cards, those who were around for the launch of fermi will remember the 912/925 points wu that gave crazy PPD because the cards were not pushed, in fact smaller slower cards got nearly the same ppd as the 470/480!!
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 03:19:31
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nathan_P
Extra heat is a direct function of the cards being driven harder. There have been lots of gripes over the years about WU that have heated up cards and it has always been answered by bigger harder wu will push the cards more thus generating more heat.
As XZ stated earlier, these are smaller test units and are not really pushing the cards, those who were around for the launch of fermi will remember the 912/925 points wu that gave crazy PPD because the cards were not pushed, in fact smaller slower cards got nearly the same ppd as the 470/480!!
Yep I remember that. I'm not bothered about heat though as all my GPUs in this rig are on water. 42C on max load ;) Warning http://hardforum.com/show...p?t=1727789&page=8 Carbon_Rod has the intention of filling his farm up with 8-9 GTX 670 over at [H] so we need to step up the game! :-) Barbarossa is sending me a couple of GTX 570 over that i've just bought, so that should help offset the difference but we need moaarr powwaa! (insert random picture here)
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 03:52:06
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Read the whole thread - he's holding off on more until we know how the QRB pans out, as am I
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 03:52:28
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Sleinous
Yep I remember that. I'm not bothered about heat though as all my GPUs in this rig are on water. 42C on max load ;)
Warning
http://hardforum.com/show...p?t=1727789&page=8
Carbon_Rod has the intention of filling his farm up with 8-9 GTX 670 over at [H] so we need to step up the game! :-) Barbarossa is sending me a couple of GTX 570 over that i've just bought, so that should help offset the difference but we need moaarr powwaa! (insert random picture here)
How's this? Thanks for the BR whoever it was!
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 03:56:53
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Sleinous
Yep I remember that. I'm not bothered about heat though as all my GPUs in this rig are on water. 42C on max load ;)
Warning
http://hardforum.com/show...p?t=1727789&page=8
Carbon_Rod has the intention of filling his farm up with 8-9 GTX 670 over at [H] so we need to step up the game! :-) Barbarossa is sending me a couple of GTX 570 over that i've just bought, so that should help offset the difference but we need moaarr powwaa! (insert random picture here)
How's this?
Thanks for the BR whoever it was!
That''ll do just fine! Especially as i'm a Top Gear fan hahaha nathan_P
Read the whole thread - he's holding off on more until we know how the QRB pans out, as am I
Indeed, but regardless of a higher atom count we will see quite a large increase in PPD, that i'm quite convinced about. I also think it more likely that they'd release smaller atom count WUs for GPUs and keep the big projects for bigadv, its one thing keeping a couple of CPUs running 24/7 but even they know that doing the same thing for GPUs is just not that feasible, both in terms of heat and cost. However a GPU has teh advantage of being able to complete certain workloads faster than CPUs, we know this will be of use to Pande
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 04:01:28
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If I haven't had such a powerhog CPU, I would be folding more.. but since I got a i7 920, this eats alot of energy... Well on the good side I've got many 8057 wu's lately on my two GTX 670 FTW @ ~1240 
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 04:47:33
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Seems I must of gotten 3 to 4 8057 WUs a day since the TZC started.
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 04:53:36
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How come people never mention the steps involved? Sure the atom count is low for GPU, but 8057 has 50,000,000 steps. Smp typically has about 50,000.
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 05:25:41
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Finally pulled a QRB 8057 on a 650 vanilla
tpf: 7:42
ppd: 17694
obviously not worth the $ in PPD when you can buy something for $50 more that will do 10 times that ....
560ti/660ti seem to be the nut
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 05:32:11
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Finally pulled a QRB 8057 on a 650 vanilla
tpf: 7:42
ppd: 17694
obviously not worth the $ in PPD when you can buy something for $50 more that will do 10 times that ....
560ti/660ti seem to be the nut
Pretty sure something is off there. is that ppd from HFM or from V7? can you check if your GPU is running at full load? - and full Ghz?
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 05:41:06
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you are correct
only at 60% gpu usage
the 8018 are the only WU that make it run at 100%
it's not down-clocking either according to Precision
any clues as to why?
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 05:43:00
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tried every driver that will recognize a Keplar (107) not heat Overclocking = less utilization underclocking = more utilization (but defeats the point) had bought these cards for some low-end desktop builds...not for folding you can't adjust power-target on these things...it's grayed -out
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 05:47:01
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Is the 650 a kepler card. or one of the fermi's
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 05:51:55
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shows GK107 in gpuz GK107 GTX 650 in V7 as well...so it's being recognized in gpu.txt will also max out (100%) in furmark and no heat problems just seems to be SOME folding cores that make it run at 60% Drivers are set to full power in NV control panel
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 06:21:52
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the work in question is a test unit so may in fact work the card less
it's only to test benchmarking for QRB - no science done
whereas the other units actually help find cures
serioously?  if thats the case I won't bother going to v7 for the QRB just yet, folding is about finding cures not about the points.
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 06:33:09
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the work in question is a test unit so may in fact work the card less
it's only to test benchmarking for QRB - no science done
whereas the other units actually help find cures
Say what? Can you link us to this info. If this is the case I am glad that I helped... But will back off if no science is getting done. It is one thing to help test for future WU's, quite another working on science...
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 06:38:02
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I can't imagine PG sacrificing this amount of processing time to test just one type of wu. Is there verification on this somewhere?
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 06:47:05
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Is the 650 a kepler card. or one of the fermi's
According to Nvidia and gpureview its a Kepler
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 06:54:26
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Xavier Zepherious
the work in question is a test unit so may in fact work the card less
it's only to test benchmarking for QRB - no science done
whereas the other units actually help find cures
There is a huge difference between "p8057 released to test new GPU benchmarking scheme" (the title of the thread at ff.org) and "p8057 released only to test new GPU benchmarking scheme". The scientist in charge of p8057 specializes in Alzheimer's research. Unless you have a link that says these are only test units, I think it's unfair to characterize them as doing no science.
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Re:GPU points/QRB discussion
2012/11/17 07:08:15
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Xavier Zepherious
the work in question is a test unit so may in fact work the card less
it's only to test benchmarking for QRB - no science done
whereas the other units actually help find cures
There is a huge difference between "p8057 released to test new GPU benchmarking scheme" (the title of the thread at ff.org) and "p8057 released only to test new GPU benchmarking scheme". The scientist in charge of p8057 specializes in Alzheimer's research. Unless you have a link that says these are only test units, I think it's unfair to characterize them as doing no science.
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