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2013/02/25 06:51:28 (permalink)
Hello,
Before purchasing a titan myself I was wondering how much of a performance gain it would be for video rendering. I am a Youtube content creator as well as a gamer/streamer. I am currently running 3-way SLI GTX480's and it works fine for gaming for the most part. I was going to upgrade to either some titans or 680's or possibly 690's. Shortly after I decided to upgrade my computer I found out that there aren't ANY video rendering programs that use more than 1 GPU for the GPU acceleration. This process uses CUDA cores so that's why I am leaning towards getting a titan since it has an obscene amount of CUDA cores. I was wondering if someone WHO OWNS A TITAN could render a 20-60 minute video at 1080p 30fps and let me know how long it will take, or at possibly point me in the right direction of a benchmark that shows this information.
 
The only reason I ask this instead of just getting one and doing it myself is because I heard that GPU acceleration doesn't use more than 500 CUDA cores or something like that, in which case getting some 680's would work out just fine.
 
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    Re:GPU Acceleration (Video Rendering) 2013/02/25 07:14:32 (permalink)
    I don't do much video rendering, but i do some...  I have 2 560 Ti 448 Classifieds...  One thing I have always noticed was that whenever I render video with hardware acceleration, It never seems to use more than about 30% of 1 video card.  Maybe someone more knowledgeable can chime in and teach us something new...

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    Re:GPU Acceleration (Video Rendering) 2013/02/25 07:24:52 (permalink)
    Yeah I actually never monitored how much of my GPU it was using. I always knew that it was using 100% of my CPU so I couldn't really do anything besides render anyways. I am 100% surprised that there is literally 0 video editing software packages out there that can use more than 1GPU. SLI has been around for what, 7-8 years and GPU acceleration for like 3-4? Even the professional stuff like Avid doesn't have it :( I almost just want to buy a computer entirely for rendering, but then I will have the delay in transferring the file across the network, at that point, it's still a waste of time.

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    Re:GPU Acceleration (Video Rendering) 2013/02/25 07:58:05 (permalink)
    Might this page help?
     
    http://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/PremiereCS5.htm
     
     
     
    A quick read though shows that its still single core but then number of cuda core and memory size are important to it looks like the Titan will be the best (not suprising of course)
     
    there is a lot to read, but this was of interest
     
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    Re:GPU Acceleration (Video Rendering) 2013/02/25 08:29:34 (permalink)
    Keep in mind, Fermi had a 'hotclock' where the shader frequency was twice the core; but with Kepler the hotclock was removed and the shader and core are equal.  So while the Kepler cards have more CUDA cores, they aren't running as fast, so you can't look at the number of CUDA independently and expect equal scaling.
     
    For instance, in purely GPU-intensive gaming (which uses the graphics card much more), GTX590 (1024 CUDA at 1240MHz) tends to match GTX680 (1536 CUDA at 1006MHz), and therefore Titan's 2688 CUDA at 837MHz isn't that much better than your total of 1440 CUDA at 1400MHz used under similar GPU-intensive circumstances.
     
    Mathematically, since purely GPU-intensive scales with number of CUDA multiply by their base clock, you may see equal performance while using 66% less power since Titan uses as much as GTX480 did at 250W.  So the $1000 will mainly pay to reduce your power consumption as Titan = 3-way SLI GTX480, for the most part.
     
    For what it is worth, 2-way GTX680 is faster than Titan for the same price, that route would give you around a 26% gain for a cost of about half the power.

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    Re:GPU Acceleration (Video Rendering) 2013/02/25 09:26:40 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the information!
     
    I am aware of the performance difference between the 680 and the titan. The only reason I would go with the titan is because I don't really NEED SLI for anything. I do run 3 monitors, and soon to have a projector...but I never use surround gaming and I can only use 1GPU for rendering. Not much of a reason to have 3 cards lol.

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    Re:GPU Acceleration (Video Rendering) 2013/02/25 13:12:42 (permalink)
    This is a great topic and I too am very interested in figuring out how to best optimize the hardware to render faster/better in several programs such as Adobe CS5 and CS6, as well as Sony Vegas 12 Pro. 
     
    I have 4x GTX-680 Classified (4GB) and no matter what setting I tweak, Sony Vegas seems to take a LONG time to render stuff. For instance, a 15 minute 1080P video with a few effects took me more than 1.5 HOURS to render! This is also with an OC'd i7 3970X, the fastest X79 processor out there!
     
    I selected "Render with CUDA if available" to use GPU Acceleration and EVGA Precision X shows that the GPUs are being used (although not to their full capacity) and the CPU is used about 80% during rendering.
     
    What are some optimal settings in Sony Vegas 12 Pro for rendering in 1080P? I really want FAST rendering and that is one of the main reasons I am going to get the GTX-Titans since its CUDA cores and GPU Compute is not gimped.
     
    For those with GTX-680 Classified, what are the best settings?
     
    Any advice on this is appreciated.

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    Re:GPU Acceleration (Video Rendering) 2013/02/25 13:21:18 (permalink)
    Baasha

    This is a great topic and I too am very interested in figuring out how to best optimize the hardware to render faster/better in several programs such as Adobe CS5 and CS6, as well as Sony Vegas 12 Pro. 

    I have 4x GTX-680 Classified (4GB) and no matter what setting I tweak, Sony Vegas seems to take a LONG time to render stuff. For instance, a 15 minute 1080P video with a few effects took me more than 1.5 HOURS to render! This is also with an OC'd i7 3970X, the fastest X79 processor out there!

    I selected "Render with CUDA if available" to use GPU Acceleration and EVGA Precision X shows that the GPUs are being used (although not to their full capacity) and the CPU is used about 80% during rendering.

    What are some optimal settings in Sony Vegas 12 Pro for rendering in 1080P? I really want FAST rendering and that is one of the main reasons I am going to get the GTX-Titans since its CUDA cores and GPU Compute is not gimped.

    For those with GTX-680 Classified, what are the best settings?

    Any advice on this is appreciated.

    What frame rate are you rendering at? I do 30-40 minute videos at 1080p 30fps with 4-5 channels and mine take 2-4 hours. I found out that Vegas 12 has a LOT of issues with GPU acceleration, I would go back to Vegas 11 if possible.
     
    I am running an i7 920 with GTX 480's so your's should be much faster than mine.
     
    Toss me a screenshot of your rendering settings and your project settings and I can throw you some advice.

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    Re:GPU Acceleration (Video Rendering) 2013/02/25 15:47:14 (permalink)
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    Baasha

    I have 4x GTX-680 Classified (4GB) and no matter what setting I tweak, Sony Vegas seems to take a LONG time to render stuff. For instance, a 15 minute 1080P video with a few effects took me more than 1.5 HOURS to render! This is also with an OC'd i7 3970X, the fastest X79 processor out there!


    What frame rate are you rendering at? I do 30-40 minute videos at 1080p 30fps with 4-5 channels and mine take 2-4 hours. I found out that Vegas 12 has a LOT of issues with GPU acceleration, I would go back to Vegas 11 if possible.

    I am running an i7 920 with GTX 480's so your's should be much faster than mine.

    Toss me a screenshot of your rendering settings and your project settings and I can throw you some advice.

     
    Yes...  Something definitely not right there...
     
    Try a different software and see if that makes any difference.  Your rig should be able to  render the video you described in less than 15 minutes (disclaimer: that's a guess).

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    Re:GPU Acceleration (Video Rendering) 2013/02/25 17:20:39 (permalink)
    Yeah there was one point in time where my computer was able to render in ~30 minutes...I don't know what happened but my 480's stopped working the same way so it started taking 4 hours, I got it back down to 2 hours. I gave up and decided to rebuild my machine lol.

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    Re:GPU Acceleration (Video Rendering) 2013/02/27 23:59:19 (permalink)
    Striderstone

    Baasha

    This is a great topic and I too am very interested in figuring out how to best optimize the hardware to render faster/better in several programs such as Adobe CS5 and CS6, as well as Sony Vegas 12 Pro. 

    I have 4x GTX-680 Classified (4GB) and no matter what setting I tweak, Sony Vegas seems to take a LONG time to render stuff. For instance, a 15 minute 1080P video with a few effects took me more than 1.5 HOURS to render! This is also with an OC'd i7 3970X, the fastest X79 processor out there!

    I selected "Render with CUDA if available" to use GPU Acceleration and EVGA Precision X shows that the GPUs are being used (although not to their full capacity) and the CPU is used about 80% during rendering.

    What are some optimal settings in Sony Vegas 12 Pro for rendering in 1080P? I really want FAST rendering and that is one of the main reasons I am going to get the GTX-Titans since its CUDA cores and GPU Compute is not gimped.

    For those with GTX-680 Classified, what are the best settings?

    Any advice on this is appreciated.

    What frame rate are you rendering at? I do 30-40 minute videos at 1080p 30fps with 4-5 channels and mine take 2-4 hours. I found out that Vegas 12 has a LOT of issues with GPU acceleration, I would go back to Vegas 11 if possible.

    I am running an i7 920 with GTX 480's so your's should be much faster than mine.

    Toss me a screenshot of your rendering settings and your project settings and I can throw you some advice.

     
    Hi,
     
    Here are the "Render As" settings I use:

     
    Would greatly appreciate any help with this!

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    Re:GPU Acceleration (Video Rendering) 2013/02/28 01:43:04 (permalink)
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    Keep in mind, Fermi had a 'hotclock' where the shader frequency was twice the core; but with Kepler the hotclock was removed and the shader and core are equal.  So while the Kepler cards have more CUDA cores, they aren't running as fast, so you can't look at the number of CUDA independently and expect equal scaling.

    For instance, in purely GPU-intensive gaming (which uses the graphics card much more), GTX590 (1024 CUDA at 1240MHz) tends to match GTX680 (1536 CUDA at 1006MHz), and therefore Titan's 2688 CUDA at 837MHz isn't that much better than your total of 1440 CUDA at 1400MHz used under similar GPU-intensive circumstances.

    Mathematically, since purely GPU-intensive scales with number of CUDA multiply by their base clock, you may see equal performance while using 66% less power since Titan uses as much as GTX480 did at 250W.  So the $1000 will mainly pay to reduce your power consumption as Titan = 3-way SLI GTX480, for the most part.

    For what it is worth, 2-way GTX680 is faster than Titan for the same price, that route would give you around a 26% gain for a cost of about half the power.

    wow im new here and man you post verey good info. ty

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    Re:GPU Acceleration (Video Rendering) 2013/02/28 05:14:17 (permalink)
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    Striderstone

    Baasha

    This is a great topic and I too am very interested in figuring out how to best optimize the hardware to render faster/better in several programs such as Adobe CS5 and CS6, as well as Sony Vegas 12 Pro. 

    I have 4x GTX-680 Classified (4GB) and no matter what setting I tweak, Sony Vegas seems to take a LONG time to render stuff. For instance, a 15 minute 1080P video with a few effects took me more than 1.5 HOURS to render! This is also with an OC'd i7 3970X, the fastest X79 processor out there!

    I selected "Render with CUDA if available" to use GPU Acceleration and EVGA Precision X shows that the GPUs are being used (although not to their full capacity) and the CPU is used about 80% during rendering.

    What are some optimal settings in Sony Vegas 12 Pro for rendering in 1080P? I really want FAST rendering and that is one of the main reasons I am going to get the GTX-Titans since its CUDA cores and GPU Compute is not gimped.

    For those with GTX-680 Classified, what are the best settings?

    Any advice on this is appreciated.

    What frame rate are you rendering at? I do 30-40 minute videos at 1080p 30fps with 4-5 channels and mine take 2-4 hours. I found out that Vegas 12 has a LOT of issues with GPU acceleration, I would go back to Vegas 11 if possible.

    I am running an i7 920 with GTX 480's so your's should be much faster than mine.

    Toss me a screenshot of your rendering settings and your project settings and I can throw you some advice.


    Hi,

    Here are the "Render As" settings I use:


    Would greatly appreciate any help with this!

    Yeah I already see a couple issues but I don't remember the exact numbers to change them to. I just got to work so when I get home i'll let you know what to do. Can you also paste me a screenshot of your project settings? When you click on file >> new, you should see a window pop up.

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    Re:GPU Acceleration (Video Rendering) 2013/02/28 13:15:20 (permalink)
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    Baasha

    Striderstone

    Baasha

    This is a great topic and I too am very interested in figuring out how to best optimize the hardware to render faster/better in several programs such as Adobe CS5 and CS6, as well as Sony Vegas 12 Pro. 

    I have 4x GTX-680 Classified (4GB) and no matter what setting I tweak, Sony Vegas seems to take a LONG time to render stuff. For instance, a 15 minute 1080P video with a few effects took me more than 1.5 HOURS to render! This is also with an OC'd i7 3970X, the fastest X79 processor out there!

    I selected "Render with CUDA if available" to use GPU Acceleration and EVGA Precision X shows that the GPUs are being used (although not to their full capacity) and the CPU is used about 80% during rendering.

    What are some optimal settings in Sony Vegas 12 Pro for rendering in 1080P? I really want FAST rendering and that is one of the main reasons I am going to get the GTX-Titans since its CUDA cores and GPU Compute is not gimped.

    For those with GTX-680 Classified, what are the best settings?

    Any advice on this is appreciated.

    What frame rate are you rendering at? I do 30-40 minute videos at 1080p 30fps with 4-5 channels and mine take 2-4 hours. I found out that Vegas 12 has a LOT of issues with GPU acceleration, I would go back to Vegas 11 if possible.

    I am running an i7 920 with GTX 480's so your's should be much faster than mine.

    Toss me a screenshot of your rendering settings and your project settings and I can throw you some advice.


    Hi,

    Here are the "Render As" settings I use:


    Would greatly appreciate any help with this!

    Yeah I already see a couple issues but I don't remember the exact numbers to change them to. I just got to work so when I get home i'll let you know what to do. Can you also paste me a screenshot of your project settings? When you click on file >> new, you should see a window pop up.

     
    Hmm. what settings should I change?
     
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