candle_86
actually it makes sense, for every manufacture to follow suite, it saves them costly R&D time, right now they test against 7, 8, 8.1 and 10. If they could only test against say 10 they save a lot of time. Some might even still test for Vista

The programatic scripts for testing against the different OS versions is minor in comparison for the overall application. Not much time saved testing against a previously released OS. The only extensive testing would necessarily need to be done against the latest version of the OS, in this case Windows 10. The only thing that would not necessarily need to be done is if the OEM decides not to support a previous OS (such as 95/98/XP/Vista) and forces the end consumer to utilize a newer OS for the features on the hardware. I do believe that this is intended (or implied) by Microsoft in their statements on supporting only the uplevel silicon.

candle_86
No likely more along the lines of as new hardware comes out Windows 7 doesn't have support for these features, SecureBoot and NFC devices are examples. Let's not also forget 7 does not have native USB 3.0 support so if the motherboard only has USB 3.0 ports you have to install drivers to see them and since most new systems don't have optical drives anymore good luck. 

Very true though less difficult than it seemingly is. ASUS, for their motherboards, has a utility while will slipstream the USB 3.0 drivers into the install medium (either DVD or USB) so that the Windows 7 OS can be installed on systems with USB 3.0 only interfaces. It's relatively easily done and not at all large to create such an install medium. It's caleld 'EZ Installer - Windows® 7 and USB 3.0 driver installation for 100 Series and Braswell platform'.

notuptome2004

James_L

candle_86
No likely more along the lines of as new hardware comes out Windows 7 doesn't have support for these features, SecureBoot and NFC devices are examples. Let's not also forget 7 does not have native USB 3.0 support so if the motherboard only has USB 3.0 ports you have to install drivers to see them and since most new systems don't have optical drives anymore good luck. 

Very true though less difficult than it seemingly is. ASUS, for their motherboards, has a utility while will slipstream the USB 3.0 drivers into the install medium (either DVD or USB) so that the Windows 7 OS can be installed on systems with USB 3.0 only interfaces. It's relatively easily done and not at all large to create such an install medium. It's caleld 'EZ Installer - Windows® 7 and USB 3.0 driver installation for 100 Series and Braswell platform'.

 
 
yes but  if  ther is no usb 3.0 support then how will you install  windows  7  on that system since you would end up only having USB Keyboard and mouse   

7 supports USB3 with a driver but not native support if someone has a way to modify the install media sure this method works but it wont work for a larger company its to time consuming plus offical support from the OEMS wont include 7 support for new systems so 10 will replace 7 in the enterprise within 3 years

James_L

notuptome2004

James_L
Very true though less difficult than it seemingly is. ASUS, for their motherboards, has a utility while will slipstream the USB 3.0 drivers into the install medium (either DVD or USB) so that the Windows 7 OS can be installed on systems with USB 3.0 only interfaces. It's relatively easily done and not at all large to create such an install medium. It's caleld 'EZ Installer - Windows® 7 and USB 3.0 driver installation for 100 Series and Braswell platform'.

yes but  if  ther is no usb 3.0 support then how will you install  windows  7  on that system since you would end up only having USB Keyboard and mouse   

If you take a look at my statement and understand what slipstreaming the USB 3 drivers are then you'll understand that the OS will have the USB 3 drivers available for the installation with USB keyboards and mice while you are implementing the OS install on the system. That is why ASUS has made this utility available (as other hardware manufacturers have done) in order for the older OS to be installed easily.
 
Here is just one of the ways it can be done. Any particular technique can be applied but you would need to understand the hardware on your motherboard in order to slipstream the drivers into the installation of the OS on any of the newer hardware which only has USB 3.0 connections available.

 
 
while  yes that is a solution at some point  manufactures  may stop this and  rightly so as i know for me when i jumped to windows 8 from windows 7 64bir and such  my usb 3 performance   gain was a good boost over windows  7  so yea it is nice for those who wish to stick with an aging OS  on newer hardware  and stuff  but   kinda  makes  a point  that  windows 7 is  just not up to snuff on newer hardware and hardware yet to come . so even as somthing as simply installing you have to use 3rd party  software just to make it   install and use  your KB/M  during install. 
 

James_L

notuptome2004
while  yes that is a solution at some point  manufactures  may stop this and  rightly so as i know for me when i jumped to windows 8 from windows 7 64bir and such  my usb 3 performance   gain was a good boost over windows  7  so yea it is nice for those who wish to stick with an aging OS  on newer hardware  and stuff  but   kinda  makes  a point  that  windows 7 is  just not up to snuff on newer hardware and hardware yet to come . so even as somthing as simply installing you have to use 3rd party  software just to make it   install and use  your KB/M  during install. 

Any newer hardware specification will need to have drivers added to any OS when it's released. Even windows 10 would need to have additional drivers provided for newer tech (such as the newly speced versions of the lightning capable connections and/or any newer updated version of the USB/SATA/SAS spec) in order for them to also operate on the platform. Performance gains are relative depending on the driver efficiency from the manufacturer, not necessarily from the OS entirely. Personally my Windows 7 OS performs very well and efficiently. Much faster than any Windows 8/8.1/10 install I have seen to date. It's not that my OS install is much different, it's just better optimized for my use and I have never had issue with any slow down since I've installed it. I have no complaints and will remain, as you say, on an aging OS.

 
 
yea course you seem to have what  would be a impressive windows 7 install but the fact i have installed windows 10 on many system already that had windows 7 and the  performance was better with windows 10 . Windows 10 was designed  as what i call an adaptable OS   meaning Microsoft can upgrade  the underlining of the OS on a Dime if a new Tech is relased  like new  USB spec or so  Now as  for  windows 7 it is stuck in 2009   the underlining of the OS are the same there is no newer improvements to  take advantage  of your  new Skylake  or slightly older Core i7   it inly works as effient as windows  7 did at the time of its release   No more No less .
 
Windows 10 on th other hand has  improvements  beyond what Windows 7 has  and can more efficently  manage how   your Core i7 works and how  it  the core  i7 works with windows as an example . i have installed  windows  10  on to my mothers PC a Quad core AMD  and it has  windows 10 breathed new life in to the aging system  AMD Phenom 1  and  the performance increased   quite a bit  over windows  7  just pure multi-tasking .  i think some of the performance issues  you may have could be  not ther at all it is just your so use to how windows 7  works and handles  the task or even somthing like a windows animation that windows 10  seems off to you and  it  seems as tho ther is a  performance  degrade.  i dont know either way   Windows 10  will continue to get   upgraded over time as they have realsed   windows 10 November update and  upcomming Windows 10 Redstone updates  

BF3PRO
Can someone show me where Microsoft themselves have made this claim? It seems this all started from a blog post...

 
 
What Claim you talking about ?

James_L

BF3PRO
Can someone show me where Microsoft themselves have made this claim? It seems this all started from a blog post...

 
I do believe you are referring to this quote:
 

notuptome2004
Windows 10 was designed  as what i call an adaptable OS   meaning Microsoft can upgrade  the underlining of the OS on a Dime if a new Tech is relased  like new  USB spec or so  Now as  for  windows 7 it is stuck in 2009   the underlining of the OS are the same there is no newer improvements to  take advantage  of your  new Skylake  or slightly older Core i7   it inly works as effient as windows  7 did at the time of its release   No more No less .
 
Windows 10 on th other hand has  improvements  beyond what Windows 7 has  and can more efficently  manage how   your Core i7 works and how  it  the core  i7 works with windows as an example . i have installed  windows  10  on to my mothers PC a Quad core AMD  and it has  windows 10 breathed new life in to the aging system  AMD Phenom 1  and  the performance increased   quite a bit  over windows  7  just pure multi-tasking .  i think some of the performance issues  you may have could be  not ther at all it is just your so use to how windows 7  works and handles  the task or even somthing like a windows animation that windows 10  seems off to you and  it  seems as tho ther is a  performance  degrade.  i dont know either way   Windows 10  will continue to get   upgraded over time as they have realsed   windows 10 November update and  upcomming Windows 10 Redstone updates  

 
As this is not anything that Microsoft has stated publicly and certainly is not anything that Microsoft does natively with the OS itself. Microsoft relies on the OEM for the hardware in order to have the specifications to it. Microsoft does not dictate what the manufacturers of the hardware do and where the specifications are headed, they react to the overall consumer preferences and add it accordingly. Microsoft depends on the hardware of the systems in order to be efficient and operate effectively. Additionally the Windows 10 OS is built over older technology specifications. Some of the OS bloat has been removed, as the consumers didn't enjoy or utilize some underlying features, but overall the OS is not very different than the previous iterations. Each being built over the other and somewhat incrementally improved.
 
As far as your perception of Windows 10 being better/faster, that is your perception. Quite a number of other people feel and perceive that Windows 7 is a far better experience for themselves. I also know quite a number of individuals who prefer Windows XP over even Windows 7. Everyone has their opinion and each are valid based on their experiences. Installing this newer OS onto hardware of which is dated and expecting an overall OS performance improvement is wishful at best. Especially since, as you call it, the performance will degrade. Especially as the hardware itself is being utilized more and more over time. Capacitors degrade, hardware fails and overall the system itself will perform less as the hardware ages over time.
 

 
 
yes    what i mean is when something new is released such as USB type C or USB 3.1 or display port stuff  Windows  10 or so is more apt to have native support  or for that matter  for example the Windows 10 November update brought  with it a new  memory  management subsystem to the underling of the OS and that is a complete   OS overhaul under the hood for just that  something MS will not do for windows 7 and never did with windows 7   as i stated before  Microsoft can upgrade and adapt to new technolgies that are up and coming on the horizon and or that are released  with windows 10 .
 
 
Now as for  older hardware    windows 10 can and does bring new life  in to it  now course some users may not have a negative effect   but that also comes down to  the chipset and drivers . the only reason you feel windows  7  runs  efficent  is cause   it s what was efficient  in 2009  but not now.  i have run windows  7 on my Core i7 2600k  and i do everything from gaming to  DVD making  end rendering of sorts  and i can tell you on my system  windows 10  and for that matter windows 8.1 was leaps and bounds more efficient at doing the Same exact task   during heavy multi-tasking   tho windows  10 is a huge improvement  over windows 8.1 in all areas .
 
i judge  a efficient OS by  how well i can multitask how fast i can Alt-Tab   in and out of many big applications  while  gaming and or so and windows 7 on this same system  when i did test  it   would just lag felt laggy   this is course updated drivers and everything fresh  install i like to stress my system and windows  7 just cant handle it   i also notice stand alone instances  for example of say Rendering a video  or encoding a video  that  windows 10 uses less  CPU but the job gets done  in far greater time then the same task  on windows 7  .  since windows 7 Microsoft has made big under the hood improvements to the windows architecture  and how it works with newer and older hardware  .
 
Remember the orginal Core i7 chips the Nehemiah  cores and  HT technologies    Microsoft worked closly with intel and intel with them to optimize  windows 7 to better utilize  that new  architecture   so to do so Microsoft had to ditch the entire CPU scheduler   code base to rewrite it .  then we had  AMDS FX chips   because e they was different windows 7 did not work properly wioth them even with a driver update it was not till windows 8 that things worked better cause microsoft had time to re-do the underling CPU scheduler  in windows 8   

James_L

notuptome2004
 
yes    what i mean is when something new is released such as USB type C or USB 3.1 or display port stuff  Windows  10 or so is more apt to have native support  or for that matter  for example the Windows 10 November update brought  with it a new  memory  management subsystem to the underling of the OS and that is a complete   OS overhaul under the hood for just that  something MS will not do for windows 7 and never did with windows 7   as i stated before  Microsoft can upgrade and adapt to new technolgies that are up and coming on the horizon and or that are released  with windows 10 .
 
 
Now as for  older hardware    windows 10 can and does bring new life  in to it  now course some users may not have a negative effect   but that also comes down to  the chipset and drivers . the only reason you feel windows  7  runs  efficent  is cause   it s what was efficient  in 2009  but not now.  i have run windows  7 on my Core i7 2600k  and i do everything from gaming to  DVD making  end rendering of sorts  and i can tell you on my system  windows 10  and for that matter windows 8.1 was leaps and bounds more efficient at doing the Same exact task   during heavy multi-tasking   tho windows  10 is a huge improvement  over windows 8.1 in all areas .
 
i judge  a efficient OS by  how well i can multitask how fast i can Alt-Tab   in and out of many big applications  while  gaming and or so and windows 7 on this same system  when i did test  it   would just lag felt laggy   this is course updated drivers and everything fresh  install i like to stress my system and windows  7 just cant handle it   i also notice stand alone instances  for example of say Rendering a video  or encoding a video  that  windows 10 uses less  CPU but the job gets done  in far greater time then the same task  on windows 7  .  since windows 7 Microsoft has made big under the hood improvements to the windows architecture  and how it works with newer and older hardware  .
 
Remember the orginal Core i7 chips the Nehemiah  cores and  HT technologies    Microsoft worked closly with intel and intel with them to optimize  windows 7 to better utilize  that new  architecture   so to do so Microsoft had to ditch the entire CPU scheduler   code base to rewrite it .  then we had  AMDS FX chips   because e they was different windows 7 did not work properly wioth them even with a driver update it was not till windows 8 that things worked better cause microsoft had time to re-do the underling CPU scheduler  in windows 8   

Hyper-threading came way before they started calling their chips 'Core i7' and USB type C is just a smaller connection but no difference in spec for the data. Just a smaller and more universal connection for phones and other devices. USB 3.1 is an enhancement for the overall USB 3.0 specification with additional features which, even with Windows 10, would have to be provided by the manufacturers for the OS. If anything would need to be added to the OS, it's not native. Native drivers are something that is already within the OS and not needing to be added from other sources, that is why they are 'native' to the OS. Hyper-threading came out in 2002 on the Intel Xeon processors and, shortly after, on the Pentium chips. I was working for a MSP (Managed Service Provider) during those times and had plenty of servers with Xeon chips and utilized the hyper-threading technology along with workstations that featured this update. Intel did not include this on their 'core' architecture until they reintroduced it in 2008 on, what you refer to, the Nehalem processor. Microsoft doesn't need to support the processing for the technology as the OS just sees the CPU as 'multi core' regardless of how it's handled within the chip itself. 

 
 
i know hyper-threading   was in the  later P4 chips but taken out of the Core 2 duo due to performance issues  and course poor windows  optimization  many performance  losses  in the XP era and  windows vista   system  were   bad with HT enabled  but with windows 7 and core i7  they  did optimization
 
http://www.tomshardware.c...ptimizations,8337.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-hyperthreading-intel-nehalem-atom,7831.html