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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/04 20:38:51
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Quick question for jacobf, or anyone that may know the answer, will SLI users have to remove a card to flash them one at a time? Thanks.
No, it will automatically recognize multiple cards within windows and prompt you for each one. Then restart and that's it.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/04 20:58:41
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The thing I didnt get was why 70%?Did you guys think the fans couldnt handle 100%?In all the years,I cant remember a card that couldnt be set at 100%.
I agree with boredgunner, ask Nvidia -- not EVGA. You had similar concerns about the use of Loctite/thread locker on Fermi screws. Maybe you could bring both concerns to Nvidia's engineering team at once? Without speaking to the team that made the actual decisions, the best you'll get is speculation and hearsay.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/04 21:02:24
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I just got to say..... there sure is alot of people that you just cant make happy. It sure would be nice to see more people say "THANKYOU EVGA". Think about it. Evga could just say thanks you bought are card and leave it at that but no... they have done much more. To me, they have gone many steps above what other companies have failed to do. Not looking for any browney points here. Just had to say this. oh.. one more thing. Thanks Evga.... doing a great job.
There is no reason SC owners would thank EVGA for boosting the clocks for vanilla owners...
+1 for Dwitkowski.  Some people will whine about anything and everything LOL. I don't even own a 460, but I'll still say, "thanks EVGA." Pretty cool boost if you ask me.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/04 21:06:10
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Didnt they do this for the 8800's (92)?? I remember doing something like this before. Cool deal
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/04 21:10:08
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I just got to say..... there sure is alot of people that you just cant make happy. It sure would be nice to see more people say "THANKYOU EVGA". Think about it. Evga could just say thanks you bought are card and leave it at that but no... they have done much more. To me, they have gone many steps above what other companies have failed to do. Not looking for any browney points here. Just had to say this. oh.. one more thing. Thanks Evga.... doing a great job.
+1 man, there are a surprising amount of naysayers on this forum, and ungrateful little ones at that. The people with SC cards still get a fan increase! While I know that isn't THAT much it's still something to be grateful for, and to be grateful you have a company like EVGA backing it. If you don't care or it doesn't apply to you then you shouldn't care, just don't go around dissing EVGA. They are doing nothing but helping, it's not like they're doing you a disservice or anything. I'll say thanks to EVGA even though I don't have a 460. This is cool that they are stepping up for their customers.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/04 21:10:55
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Thanks for the info Jacob, an update is an update if it helps me or not, the effort on evga's part is appreciated.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/04 21:27:42
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So what your saying is, I paid extra for my SC card and your going to boost the regulars close to my SC card for free? Anyone else feel cheated? I know I do.
The SC will still be quite a bit faster actually.
How will this work exactly. I have not seen you post if this is a BIOS flash or Precision Update. And yea how will the SC be any faster if no clocks are change with this update. If anything, regular 460's will now be closer or like a SC. So explain to me why I purchased an SC now. How is it that EVGA is able and willing to boost clocks on regular cards in this FPB but only on vanilla cards. So are the SC clocks going to be raised as well? If not how will they be quite a bit faster?
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/04 21:35:26
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I agree with these guys. I hate to be a jerk but I saved for a SC b/c I thought it was going to be the best I could get for what I could afford. Kinda annoyed, I am
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/04 21:48:00
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Please also allow decreasing the fan speed below 40%, preferably without disabling the ability of the fan to increase speed with temperature. Basically what we need is configurable fan speed curves. I posted the other day that my 460 has an intolerable whine at 40%, and I have to bump it up with Precision to 41%-42% to make it go away. This also disables the ramping, which actually is OK for general/HTPC use, since I have separate Windows installations for general/HTPC use and gaming. However, in order to get the ramping on my gaming installation, I can't change the minimum fan speed and have to endure the whining at 40%.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/04 21:50:53
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Why are SC owners upset over this? You guys got exactly what you paid for and this update does not change that. For $10 more you get a guaranteed overclock to 763MHz and potentially better binned card that may OC even more than vanilla cards, which are still going to be clocked ~40MHz lower than the SC even after this update. How many of you guys are actually running your cards at 763MHz and haven't OC'd their card even more? If you felt that guarantee wasn't worth a $10 premium, why didn't you just buy a vanilla and roll the dice to begin with? Too much grass is greener and malcontent going on around here over nothing. Kudos to EVGA for once again going the extra mile and adding value for their customers free of charge when they didn't have to! *Proud owner of 2x480 SC that I paid more for than the SC+ that launched for less money 2 months later.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/04 21:58:32
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I agree with these guys. I hate to be a jerk but I saved for a SC b/c I thought it was going to be the best I could get for what I could afford. Kinda annoyed, I am
No need to be annoyed. Your SC is still clocked quite a bit higher than a vanilla version even with the FPB. It's still the best for what you could afford. I don't get it... I just don't get this "envy" thing and feeling of being cheated in some way. Your card is still as good as it was when you bought it and the benefit of having the SC version brings with it the possibility of having a better chip to begin with. What's even better for you is that now the fan speed will be increased giving you more OC headroom. What's not to like about that?
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/04 22:27:45
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Quick question for jacobf, or anyone that may know the answer, will SLI users have to remove a card to flash them one at a time? Thanks.
No, it will automatically recognize multiple cards within windows and prompt you for each one. Then restart and that's it.
Cool! Thanks.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/04 22:49:21
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Why are SC owners upset over this? You guys got exactly what you paid for and this update does not change that. For $10 more you get a guaranteed overclock to 763MHz and potentially better binned card that may OC even more than vanilla cards, which are still going to be clocked ~40MHz lower than the SC even after this update.
How many of you guys are actually running your cards at 763MHz and haven't OC'd their card even more? If you felt that guarantee wasn't worth a $10 premium, why didn't you just buy a vanilla and roll the dice to begin with? Too much grass is greener and malcontent going on around here over nothing.
Kudos to EVGA for once again going the extra mile and adding value for their customers free of charge when they didn't have to!
*Proud owner of 2x480 SC that I paid more for than the SC+ that launched for less money 2 months later.
+1 SC cards are normally the better binned cards that run stable at higher clocks. The SC cards should be able to OC higher then the non SC's it was true for the G92's and GT200's why would it not be true for the GF10X's However I've had a few good OC's from vanilla cards in my day.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/04 23:10:10
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slightly off topic, the guy who asked about the difference in fan noise from the 460gtx to the 8800gts 512 is enormous.
i've just done this upgrade. the 460 fan noise at 60% is more annoying higher pitched and louder than the 8800 at say 80-100%
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it never actually goes over 50% in a room at 25c (heated) core gets to 60c. so i'm happy with my purchase.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/04 23:19:07
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slightly off topic, the guy who asked about the difference in fan noise from the 460gtx to the 8800gts 512 is enormous.
i've just done this upgrade. the 460 fan noise at 60% is more annoying higher pitched and louder than the 8800 at say 80-100%
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it never actually goes over 50% in a room at 25c (heated) core gets to 60c. so i'm happy with my purchase.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/05 00:24:10
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I agree with these guys. I hate to be a jerk but I saved for a SC b/c I thought it was going to be the best I could get for what I could afford. Kinda annoyed, I am
No need to be annoyed. Your SC is still clocked quite a bit higher than a vanilla version even with the FPB. It's still the best for what you could afford. I don't get it... I just don't get this "envy" thing and feeling of being cheated in some way. Your card is still as good as it was when you bought it and the benefit of having the SC version brings with it the possibility of having a better chip to begin with.
What's even better for you is that now the fan speed will be increased giving you more OC headroom. What's not to like about that?
I don't think that is the point... the question is why did they not do this from the get go, the cards have not even been out that long. And yea for a lot of people it does defeat the purpose of buying SC cards if there not getting a boost as well. People buy SC cards for the higher clocks, better resell value, and I am sure many other reasons. Now those SC clocks are not going to be much higher really... right? I don't care I like my cards either way. But when I first read this I thought the SC were getting a boost to. I thought oh that's cool. But misread and found out nope. And that makes me wonder why they are not boosting the clocks on the SC as well. Is this a BIOS flash or what. Is this a Precision Update that will have a default OC profile? So why even raise the clocks on the 460's if your only doing it to some. Might as well make a new model rather than an update haha. Or decided to do it from the beginning. Again I don't care either way. But I am sure there will be a lot of upset customers because of this.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/05 03:57:57
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When will you start shipping cards with the update? I'm about to buy a GTX 460 but I'll hold off if the update is coming soon.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/05 04:52:34
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I agree with these guys. I hate to be a jerk but I saved for a SC b/c I thought it was going to be the best I could get for what I could afford. Kinda annoyed, I am
No need to be annoyed. Your SC is still clocked quite a bit higher than a vanilla version even with the FPB. It's still the best for what you could afford. I don't get it... I just don't get this "envy" thing and feeling of being cheated in some way. Your card is still as good as it was when you bought it and the benefit of having the SC version brings with it the possibility of having a better chip to begin with.
What's even better for you is that now the fan speed will be increased giving you more OC headroom. What's not to like about that?
I don't think that is the point... the question is why did they not do this from the get go, the cards have not even been out that long. And yea for a lot of people it does defeat the purpose of buying SC cards if there not getting a boost as well. People buy SC cards for the higher clocks, better resell value, and I am sure many other reasons. Now those SC clocks are not going to be much higher really... right?
It is exactly the point..."no need to be annoyed." This little boost to a vanilla 460 won't degrade an SC in any way shape or form. This is a total misconception. As for "why" they didn't do it before then you would have to ask someone else. The fact that they "are" doing it is enough. SC cards are still better binned chips. Ones that have already been tested to stabalize at an OC. The OC is still higher than the FPB and most likely a better chip altogether. If this little boost is defeating the purpose of buying the SC then the same would have been true from the get-go. I personally think you guys are looking at this backwards. For someone who doesn't want to OC his graphics card the SC is still the better deal. The same can be true for the guy who wants to OC. The SC is, most likely, the better deal because it can be OC'd even higher. The reason I threw in the "most likely" is because that part is a crap shoot in some respects no matter what graphic card or CPU you purchase. However, the potential to OC higher than a vanilla is still valid because of the bin. Maybe I'm not writing this clear enough, but that's the way I see it.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/05 05:02:32
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So what your saying is, I paid extra for my SC card and your going to boost the regulars close to my SC card for free? Anyone else feel cheated? I know I do.
Dunno, I bought a regular and already clocked it to exact SC specs and it's very stable with no temp increase whatsoever, I don't even need the FPB. Will probably push it some more in the next few days.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/05 05:15:31
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I don't see why the SC owners are having a conniption fit. Chill, theres still a lot of room between the clocks of your card and the FPB. Why does it matter that this is coming from EVGA, as you bought the SC model over the Vanilla knowing full well that you could OC a Vanilla version to SC speeds very easily.
And with the fan speed boost, that may help you get that last bit from your card that you want. 20% makes a good difference in airflow.
I praise EVGA for doing what they did. It's better than them saying "Good enough" and just leaving them the way it is.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/05 06:12:55
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We should be able to set our fan speeds lower. We all know this turbine external exhaust system has worse cooling than the open faced design cards, but some of us like to keep the noise down and already have good temperatures. I owned the gigabyte model and the evga model. The gigabyte was much quieter than the evga's EE. The gigabyte is @ 65% is comparable to the EVGA @ 40%.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/05 06:30:01
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SC cards are still better binned chips...
When this is confirmed your argument will be valid. Jacob, any chance you can confirm this?
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/05 07:36:11
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So is this a BIOS update or what?
Will the FPB be included in new cards?
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/05 07:47:18
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What about noise? My buddy just got the 460 1gb EE SC and he's ready to return it because of the noise. Will this allow you to lower the fan to lower than 40%?
I have a gts 250 512mb blower fan and its audible and loud at 65% so I don't really want anything louder than that. 65% fan speed keeps me at around 65 C when gaming. I'd like the EE design for if I went SLI in the future, but these noise complaints are really making me wait. I also do not want to go to another brand. Everyone is saying that Gigabyte version is silent. I'm sticking with EVGA, but I would like a quiet card.
What about the 1gb Reference Design cards that are supposedly coming?
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/05 07:51:39
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chrisshiel
slightly off topic, the guy who asked about the difference in fan noise from the 460gtx to the 8800gts 512 is enormous.
i've just done this upgrade. the 460 fan noise at 60% is more annoying higher pitched and louder than the 8800 at say 80-100%
BUT
it never actually goes over 50% in a room at 25c (heated) core gets to 60c. so i'm happy with my purchase.
Question for EVGA regarding this. Universally, it seems the largest - or perhaps only - complaint about the 460gtx 1GB SC EE is the fan noise. Personally, my components always run hot as an effect of living in Arizona where it routinely hits 46C outside. The ambient temperatures don't get too terribly high, but high enough that the components can't really cool down to what most people are used to experiencing, though still within a safe range - with nothing else running but this post, my 8800gts 512 KO (stock KO settings, fan controls by Rivatuner) is at 62C with the fan at 65%. In games, it routinely reaches anywhere from 65-75C+ depending on game and settings. I have replaced this card once for unrelated issues, but the previous one had the same temperatures, so it does not appear to be a defective card in any way. I think at this point, many people out there are wishing a standard fan version had been released in addition to the EE, based on user need for either gpu or system temperature reduction. We all trust the EVGA name, and want to see the perfect product, but everyone is concerned about the fan - and in some cases, it can be the deciding factor. I have to wonder, with unlocking the fan it will only potentially increase this issue further; is there anything in the works to help address the fan noise in the future?
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/05 07:57:40
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I agree with these guys. I hate to be a jerk but I saved for a SC b/c I thought it was going to be the best I could get for what I could afford. Kinda annoyed, I am
No need to be annoyed. Your SC is still clocked quite a bit higher than a vanilla version even with the FPB. It's still the best for what you could afford. I don't get it... I just don't get this "envy" thing and feeling of being cheated in some way. Your card is still as good as it was when you bought it and the benefit of having the SC version brings with it the possibility of having a better chip to begin with.
What's even better for you is that now the fan speed will be increased giving you more OC headroom. What's not to like about that?
I don't think that is the point... the question is why did they not do this from the get go, the cards have not even been out that long. And yea for a lot of people it does defeat the purpose of buying SC cards if there not getting a boost as well. People buy SC cards for the higher clocks, better resell value, and I am sure many other reasons. Now those SC clocks are not going to be much higher really... right?
SC cards are still better binned chips.
Yea thats what I always hear... but are they really? I have never seen any facts to that. Also if they were better chips then why not give the SC the same % of FPB. There better chips so they should be able to handle it right? Then there would be no confusion. They should have clocked them at this from the beginning, or not done it at all. They could have just released the update for the fan. And let people OC the cards them selves.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/05 08:04:22
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billyfromhill
So is this a BIOS update or what?
Will the FPB be included in new cards?
So, are there going to be any "future updates" to your other 400 series cards? Like.....maybe.....the rest of the CUDA cores unlocked? :o)
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/05 08:06:35
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Here is a bit of clarification on the updates:
All cards including SC will be unlocked to allow 100% fanspeed, please note this does not mean the card will be louder, just if the user wants to set 100% fanspeed, he can.
Also note that the 70% max speed is found on ALL standard 460 cards, not just EVGA.
Next, for the reference models, the core clockspeed will update to 720MHz, the memory will stay the same.
Finally, this update is being applied to all production cards now.
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/05 08:11:03
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Re:Free Performance Boost (FPB) and Unlocked Fanspeed Coming Soon for EVGA GTX 460!
2010/08/05 08:22:19
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Everyone keeps talking about how ohh it's only a little bump, the SC will still be a lot higher. But really the SC is only a little bump higher then the FPB cards now. Look the SC is clocked at 763 1526 1900 The vanilla cards clocked at 675 1350 1800 The FPB will clock vanilla cards to. 720 boost of 45 1440 boost of 90 1800 So yea a difference of 43 on core clock, 86 on shader clock, and 100 on mem compared to SC cards. Suddenly the SC cards don't look that much better than those vanilla cards to the AVG person. I don't get why most of you don't understand how some people would be upset. This is like someone buying a barebones Mustang V6 = vanilla GTX460. And another guy buys the top dog Shelby GT500 = SC GTX460. Then a couple weeks later ford releases, a free performance boost for the barebones Mustang V6 and it puts it's performance up with the GT500. I am sure all the owners of the GT500 would be a little curious as to why they are not getting a boost as well if the barebones got one that put the performance up close with there GT500.
post edited by Bowenac - 2010/08/05 08:32:07
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