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2013/12/10 18:36:15 (permalink)
For some reason frame rate target won't stay on for extended periods of time. I run Precision X in the background, I let it start with Windows and I also have the "apply at startup" box checked. I don't know what causes it, but it seems to happen completely random. I do not reboot my computer very often unless it's required. I only log off and/or put the computer in sleep mode depending on how long I'll be away. I recently stopped using vsync because I don't really get as bothered by tearing as I used to do, so I need frame rate target to keep temps and fan noise down while gaming. And yes, I do make sure to click "Apply" when enabling frame rate target.
 
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2013/12/12 06:39:39 (permalink)
    That's not functioning properly then. Have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling PrecX and the Riva Tuner and answering NO when asked to save any data & profiles etc...??


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2013/12/12 10:21:42 (permalink)
    I have tried to uninstall it previously. I just did it again to make sure I really selected No on the profile saving popup. I don't use Riva Tuner, I deselected it in the installer so it's not on my computer.
     
    I have also discovered that my issue occurs with a frequency of 2-3 days. I have tried to reproduce it but I can't.
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2013/12/12 10:37:17 (permalink)
    Let try save on profile 1 on right of your mouse after you have apply frame rate target then on left of your mouse click on number 1 profile you will see appear color then hit apply on EVGA Precision!Make sure in your NVIDA Control panel > Manage 3D Setting > Global settings > Vertical Sync set to Use the 3D application or off! Let test...
    Let us know! 
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2013/12/12 10:54:50 (permalink)
    OK, I just tried rebooting the computer twice and it seems to be the cause. Frame rate target is disabled after a reboot even if I select the apply at startup box.
     
    coolmistry
    Let try save on profile 1 on right of your mouse after you have apply frame rate target then on left of your mouse click on number 1 profile you will see appear color then hit apply on EVGA Precision!Make sure in your NVIDA Control panel > Manage 3D Setting > Global settings > Vertical Sync set to Use the 3D application or off! Let test...
    Let us know!

     
    This I have already done. It's saved to profile 1. And everything default in Nvidia settings except for SLI being enabled.
    post edited by Jarv0 - 2013/12/12 10:56:39
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2013/12/12 11:45:17 (permalink)
    Just wonder why you need frame rate target? If not working you can disable vertical sync in NVCP! If you need stay at 60hz in frame rate targets then enable vertical sync in NVCP will stay at 60hz or 100hzand 125hz!
    Hope if that help?

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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2013/12/12 13:30:40 (permalink)
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    Just wonder why you need frame rate target? If not working you can disable vertical sync in NVCP! If you need stay at 60hz in frame rate targets then enable vertical sync in NVCP will stay at 60hz or 100hzand 125hz!
    Hope if that help?



    I simply want to limit my framerate otherwise the cards run hotter which leads to higher fan speeds and more noise. I don't want to use vsync at this time because I get occasional stuttering with it.
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2013/12/12 13:48:07 (permalink)
    I'm not 100% sure on this as I've never tested it, but it's possible the frame rate target feature needs Riva Tuner to function properly. I notice as soon as I select the frame rate target feature from PrecX, the Riva Tuner instantly loads up.  Also when you have the FPS monitor selected to function in PrecX, Riva Tuner also loads up.
     
    You may want to install it and see if that solves your issue.


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2013/12/12 16:32:51 (permalink)
    I have problems with frame rate target in EVGA Precision as well. It just doesnt work well for me. Sometimes doesnt work at all. If you install RTSS you will see a frame rate limit option and it works perfectly for me!

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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2013/12/14 17:39:08 (permalink)
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    I'm not 100% sure on this as I've never tested it, but it's possible the frame rate target feature needs Riva Tuner to function properly. I notice as soon as I select the frame rate target feature from PrecX, the Riva Tuner instantly loads up.  Also when you have the FPS monitor selected to function in PrecX, Riva Tuner also loads up.
     
    You may want to install it and see if that solves your issue.

     
    Installing RivaTuner did not help. It will still be disabled after a reboot.
     
    OV3RCLK4
    I have problems with frame rate target in EVGA Precision as well. It just doesnt work well for me. Sometimes doesnt work at all. If you install RTSS you will see a frame rate limit option and it works perfectly for me!


     
    Thanks for the tip. I'll probably use this method. But I'd prefer to figure out why Precision X frame rate target is disabled after a reboot. 
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2013/12/15 06:48:57 (permalink)
    If you have "Framerate" checked in the monitoring section of PrecX, the Riva Tuner should be running in the background.  If it's not checked, it will shut off.  If you want it running all the time, either leave Framerate checked marked all the time or set the Riva Tuner to "Start with Windows".  By default, it's off.  Look at the pic above.  Notice in that pic it's off.


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2013/12/15 15:43:20 (permalink)
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    If you have "Framerate" checked in the monitoring section of PrecX, the Riva Tuner should be running in the background.  If it's not checked, it will shut off.  If you want it running all the time, either leave Framerate checked marked all the time or set the Riva Tuner to "Start with Windows".  By default, it's off.  Look at the pic above.  Notice in that pic it's off.


    Just tried this. Even with "Framerate" checked and making sure both Precision X and RivaTuner starts automatically at Windows startup, framerate target still doesn't stay on.
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2013/12/15 15:57:42 (permalink)
    I use the Frame rate target all the time and have never seen what you're experiencing.  There has to be something bugged with your system, drivers, or something.
    The only other thing I can think of is, uninstall both PrecX and Riva Tuner.  Answer NO to saving profiles etc...Then uninstall your graphics drivers and anything else "Nvidia" related.  Re-boot.  Install your graphics driver.  Do a custom install and put a check mark in the "clean install" box.  Make sure to only install the graphics & PhysX portion.  Do not install GFE or audio or any 3D stuff unless you use 3D.
    After the install is complete, reboot.  Then install PrecX and Riva Tuner again.  In case you aren't aware, anytime you install new graphics drivers, make sure you have PrecX set at defualts and close the program first.
     
    Post back with the results after you try all this...


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2013/12/15 22:31:06 (permalink)
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    I'm not 100% sure on this as I've never tested it, but it's possible the frame rate target feature needs Riva Tuner to function properly. I notice as soon as I select the frame rate target feature from PrecX, the Riva Tuner instantly loads up.  Also when you have the FPS monitor selected to function in PrecX, Riva Tuner also loads up.
     
    You may want to install it and see if that solves your issue.

     
    Installing RivaTuner did not help. It will still be disabled after a reboot.
     
    OV3RCLK4
    I have problems with frame rate target in EVGA Precision as well. It just doesnt work well for me. Sometimes doesnt work at all. If you install RTSS you will see a frame rate limit option and it works perfectly for me!


     
    Thanks for the tip. I'll probably use this method. But I'd prefer to figure out why Precision X frame rate target is disabled after a reboot. 




     

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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2013/12/16 05:45:24 (permalink)
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    I use the Frame rate target all the time and have never seen what you're experiencing.  There has to be something bugged with your system, drivers, or something.
    The only other thing I can think of is, uninstall both PrecX and Riva Tuner.  Answer NO to saving profiles etc...Then uninstall your graphics drivers and anything else "Nvidia" related.  Re-boot.  Install your graphics driver.  Do a custom install and put a check mark in the "clean install" box.  Make sure to only install the graphics & PhysX portion.  Do not install GFE or audio or any 3D stuff unless you use 3D.
    After the install is complete, reboot.  Then install PrecX and Riva Tuner again.  In case you aren't aware, anytime you install new graphics drivers, make sure you have PrecX set at defualts and close the program first.
     
    Post back with the results after you try all this...


    I just did this and it didn't solve the problem. You say you have never seen this, may I ask what Windows version and Nvidia driver version you are on?
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2013/12/16 06:56:26 (permalink)
    Win7 64bit and the latest whql driver.  I think it's 331.82.  I've been using the frame rate target now for quite awhile with no problem and with several drivers, whql and beta.  Unless you're running Win8 or 8.1 and something's going on that I'm not familiar with, this is a real head scratcher...


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2013/12/16 07:21:05 (permalink)
    Did you select "Start with Windows -> ON" in Rivatuner Statistics Server unlike as shown in the screenshot above?
     
    RivaTuner Statistics Server is the backbone to Precision X monitoring and tasks, so there is no reason to be afraid of it.
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2013/12/16 07:39:10 (permalink)
    I suggested that in post #11 and he acknowledged he did in post #12.  I'm out of idea's here.


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2013/12/16 08:04:13 (permalink)
    Same issue as OP here on my side. I've done everything mentioned + fresh install, something needs fixing that we will have to wait on.
     
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    I've followed all of the advice here and the setting won't stay on reboot. Some other things I've noticed:
     
    - Framerate target won't work at all playing Rust
    - RivaTuner Overlay won't show playing Battlefield 4, framerate target WILL work, however (verified via FRAPS)
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2013/12/17 02:08:38 (permalink)
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    Same issue as OP here on my side. I've done everything mentioned + fresh install, something needs fixing that we will have to wait on.
     
    GTX 780 ACX
    Windows 7 64
    All updated drivers (non-beta)
     
    I've followed all of the advice here and the setting won't stay on reboot. Some other things I've noticed:
     
    - Framerate target won't work at all playing Rust
    - RivaTuner Overlay won't show playing Battlefield 4, framerate target WILL work, however (verified via FRAPS)


    If you're running BF4 in 64bit mode, framerate monitoring or any OSD functionality won't work with PrecX .  It only supports 32bit games currently.


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2013/12/17 10:48:50 (permalink)
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    Same issue as OP here on my side. I've done everything mentioned + fresh install, something needs fixing that we will have to wait on.
     
    GTX 780 ACX
    Windows 7 64
    All updated drivers (non-beta)
     

    This indicates that it's not an OS or GPU specific problem. I'm running, as I mentioned, Windows 8.1 and I have 580 2-way SLI.
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2013/12/18 22:12:46 (permalink)
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    Same issue as OP here on my side. I've done everything mentioned + fresh install, something needs fixing that we will have to wait on.
     
    GTX 780 ACX
    Windows 7 64
    All updated drivers (non-beta)
     

    This indicates that it's not an OS or GPU specific problem. I'm running, as I mentioned, Windows 8.1 and I have 580 2-way SLI.




    Yeah, it's not that it DOESN"T work, I just have to turn it on after ever reboot and it won't work in every game. 
     
    post edited by The Dude Abides - 2013/12/19 01:28:33
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2014/01/13 16:19:30 (permalink)
    Hi,
     
    So is there anyway for us to have it save the "Frame Rate Target" each time we start the PC without having to check it off and then manually set the Frame Rate Target each time we want to play a game? That is what I have to do each time.

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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2014/01/14 07:58:43 (permalink)
    For those of you with the issue of the "Frame Rate Target" feature not staying on after a re-boot, take a look through all your running processes and turn off anything not needed and see if it works.  FRT always stays on for me unless I reset to default or manually turn it off.
    If you're running the Geforce experience, disable it & see if it works.  That is one program that is known to cause issue's with things.


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2014/01/14 15:53:01 (permalink)
    Should I disable everything related to NVIDIA in the task manager? Or just the thing that says explicity GeForce Experience?
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2014/01/15 07:20:31 (permalink)
    No, you need the graphics driver portion to be running.  Try uninstalling the Geforce Exp and then see how things work.  Reboot after uninstall  If you think you need to later, you can always go to Nvidia's site and download it again seperatley.  Personally, I wouldn't use it at all, but that's to you.


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2014/01/29 11:33:33 (permalink)
    I had been using the Frame rate target without issue on my X58 and 480's in SLI.  A week ago I upgraded to the X79 and 780 and the feature will not run for more than a few minutes.  With the 480's it would hold the frame rate at a pretty solid 60.0 fps with an occasional blip to 59.8 or 59.9 fps then it would immediately return to 60.0.    With the 780 the FPS is constantly wandering from 59.6-60.0 and never really settles anywhere.  After playing for 10-15 minutes I will notice the frame rate at 100-200+.  I can reboot and the settings remain, and it will work for another 10 minutes, or so, but it will eventually "slip" and the frames will go back to 100+.  This card is not happy being held down to 60 fps.
     
    I have uninstalled Precision X, Rivatuner, deleted their directories and files, run drive sweeper on the Video drivers, reinstalled the beta and normal drivers (I only install the Video and Phys-x, nothing else) then install the latest Precision x.  After this, I get the same result ... everything works great for a few minutes and then the frame rate soars out of control.  I was offered an updated Rivatuner and that did not help.  So far I have tried controlling the frames with Precision and Rivatuner, and neither will hold them for long.  I even tried Rivatuner without Precision and had the same result.   Is is possible that this has something to do the the 780 Classified?   I have used this feature since introduced on the 480's and never had a problem.  Since getting new hardware, the problem has surfaced and I cannot think of anything else to try.
     
    Any ideas?

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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2014/01/29 12:01:23 (permalink)
    I started seeing some of this same behavior after installing my 780Ti with frame rate target.  After trying everything I could think of, I stopped using it and started using the "Framerate Limit" feature in the Riva tuner.  It seems to work the same as the FRT feature in PrecX.  I set it on specific games that I want to have a limit on.  Or it can be set globally as well.


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2014/01/29 13:00:02 (permalink)
    RivaTuner gave me a pop-up claiming that a new version was available, so I took it.  I tried using RivaTuner as a stand-alone (no Precision X at all) and it would still lose control after a few minutes. I uninstalled that and reloaded what comes with Precision X and it acted the exact same way.   That is what is making me think that it has something to do with the card itself.   To combat this, I have Vert Sync selected in the game, and this seems to keep the CPU/GPU utilization in check, but I would prefer to use frame rate targeting.

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    Re: Frame rate target keeps turning off 2014/01/29 17:06:12 (permalink)
    I recently switched from PrecX and went with the latest AB beta release.  The frame limiter feature has been working flawlessly.  I leave AB running along with Riva tuner.  And it even supports 64bit games...


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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