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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 08:28:59
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It is extremely ridiculous for those to keep complaining. If some will quit because of the new promotion they would have quit anyway. If they want to fold for another team then so be it...they won't find a better incentive. The new promotion is geared for the lower PPD folder and also rewards the bigger folders...it is a good mix. Most of the lower folders couldnt meet the 1 mil last year anyway...the new promotion gives them a chance to earn more, month to month. I grow tired of the immature statements concerning this issue, we are a team....time to start acting like one.
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 08:54:34
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EVGATech_Kyle Yes, but you have until the end of the year to claim all of them. You can wait till the end of the year and claim all at once or do each month. Up to you. OK. I misread the promo site. I thought you had to fold all year to claim any of the EVGA bucks, but you only have to fold all year to claim ALL the EVGA promotional bucks. You can redeem them no matter how many or few you've earned. My previous calculation as to how much this will generate for the team was way low, then as I assumed only to cash in all at the end of the year. I think most of the team will qualify for bucks at some point in the year.
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 09:27:34
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good stuff ,amazing support , and i really enjoyed the email . you guys have a awsome team . i have been dooing folding for about 8or so years . you make it tempting but alas i will keep pulling for you evga folders till you rocket to the top . fold on and thanks evga for all your support of folding at home good luck ps objects in your mirror are closer than they appear
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 09:33:25
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I am about 50k shy of the 3 million mark for the team. About one third of that was done before last year's promotion started, so I did almost 2 million over the Folding year. 3 million in a year gives me a higher goal to reach for, and I'm excited to go for it! Go Team EVGA!
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 10:15:47
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Thanks EVGA for another great promotion! To be honest I was hoping to rack up another $100 in EVGA bucks quickly in time for Fermi, but I think the new promotion is more far more fair for the much larger number of smaller folders on the team. It also offers better incentive to keep people folding year round instead of stopping right at the 100,000, 500,000, and 1 million point cutoffs.
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 11:10:24
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Foldmiester It is extremely ridiculous for those to keep complaining. If some will quit because of the new promotion they would have quit anyway. If they want to fold for another team then so be it...they won't find a better incentive. The new promotion is geared for the lower PPD folder and also rewards the bigger folders...it is a good mix. Most of the lower folders couldnt meet the 1 mil last year anyway...the new promotion gives them a chance to earn more, month to month. I grow tired of the immature statements concerning this issue, we are a team....time to start acting like one. I am not complaining, I like to discuss topics to the fullest. I will fold no matter what, this is my personal philosophy: Folding will not be around forever, so I have the opportunity to have my name go down in history as one of the people that helped cure an infamous disease. The reason this is so controversial, is because evga is in a position to throw their weight around, they have the power to encourage folders and discourage folders. Worst case scenario during this promotion, A person that cannot afford an upgrade and makes 3,500 ppd. They will produce around 99,000 points per month, which translates to 1,188,000 points per folding year. They did their best, they stuck with the team every waking second of the year. but get no reward, no help for upgrades, no evga bucks... That very same person would have received the full amount of evga bucks last year. Maybe I think the leap was just too far, I dunno, I really don't know what to think.
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 11:10:42
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Sooo what kind of milestones should I be looking for on my points to get my bucks? lol And thanks again EVGA for being awesome! SimC
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 11:39:03
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sirgrinalot Foldmiester It is extremely ridiculous for those to keep complaining. If some will quit because of the new promotion they would have quit anyway. If they want to fold for another team then so be it...they won't find a better incentive. The new promotion is geared for the lower PPD folder and also rewards the bigger folders...it is a good mix. Most of the lower folders couldnt meet the 1 mil last year anyway...the new promotion gives them a chance to earn more, month to month. I grow tired of the immature statements concerning this issue, we are a team....time to start acting like one. I am not complaining, I like to discuss topics to the fullest. I will fold no matter what, this is my personal philosophy: Folding will not be around forever, so I have the opportunity to have my name go down in history as one of the people that helped cure an infamous disease. The reason this is so controversial, is because evga is in a position to throw their weight around, they have the power to encourage folders and discourage folders. Worst case scenario during this promotion, A person that cannot afford an upgrade and makes 3,500 ppd. They will produce around 99,000 points per month, which translates to 1,188,000 points per folding year. They did their best, they stuck with the team every waking second of the year. but get no reward, no help for upgrades, no evga bucks... That very same person would have received the full amount of evga bucks last year. Maybe I think the leap was just too far, I dunno, I really don't know what to think. The truth of the matter is anyone folding 3500ppd is not folding 24/7. If they want more points/bucks they will need to fold more. Simply put, Evga stated that they want more folding, so why should they have a promotion that promotes less folding? I really belive your pulling numbers out of the air....no stats state the amount of hours per day that a folder is folding...only amount produced per day. Again the facts are to fold more....and remember not all folders hit last years 1 mil either, they do have a chance to earn more with the new promotion. You are entiltled to your own opinion, however you are not entitled to your own set of facts.
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 12:09:36
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You are entiltled to your own opinion, however you are not entitled to your own set of facts. If I followed that rule I would never win an arguement with my wife. I have to have my own set of facts. Another rule I follow is to keep scapegoats nearby. That way I always have someone to blame for the things I do wrong. So 2 rules to live by. Adjustable facts, handy scapegoats. And if you are a politician the third rule is plausible deniability.
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 12:12:23
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SimC33 Sooo what kind of milestones should I be looking for on my points to get my bucks? lol And thanks again EVGA for being awesome! SimC Read announcement 2. EVGAWeb_ShaneD Announcement 1: You have until 2/28/10 11:59:59 to complete your last WU for the EVGA Folding@Home Year 2 Promotion. Announcement 2: www.evga.com/folding/promo.asp
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 12:40:32
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Another thing to keep in mind is that other teams read our message boards....I can see them laughing over this, it is time to show our professional side. Someone said a few may quit...I will help cover their lost PPD, I can produce up to an additional 35,000PPD if needed. Remember that nobody forced any of us to join or to fold. C'mon Team....Let's clean this up and move on.
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 12:45:11
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parja Tell it like it is! Come on, folks. It's not like it really takes much to hit these numbers. ~3500PPD to hit the $5 can be done by a Core2Quad at probably less than 3GHz. The additional ~5000PPD to hit the additional $5 can be done with any video card better than a 8800GTS/9800GTX (or even less with a healthy overclock). +1... One i7 does 3000ppd and one 260/216 does 8500.... That is 4,1975,000 per 365 calendar year 24/7 or 2,987,500 at 50% run time or 174,895ppm at the same 50% per month. This is a wonderful offering from EVGA. No mater how you shake the opinion tree. Thank you again EVGA!
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 12:56:15
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kougar Thanks EVGA for another great promotion! To be honest I was hoping to rack up another $100 in EVGA bucks quickly in time for Fermi.... I know... Me too. This'll make it harder to get my Fermi cards. Still doable though. I wonder if I could fold with my 295 and a Fermi at the same time... Hmm.
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 13:02:32
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I'm a little surprised at some of the notes, but everyone has a personal perspective and motivation. In my book, EVGA giving anything is great! I'm happy they support the community with these programs. I don't believe they make a difference in the "big folders" dedication or output. I didn't see anyone I would consider a big folder shutting down just because they hit 1 million points. The promotion may get other people interested in folding though and will be a reward for many. It seems like a win to me. Thanks EVGA! Thanks to everyone who folds whether for our team (hopefully) or one of the other teams. Thanks whether you do it because you want to use your hardware for science/good cause, because you have a loved one suffering from a disease that folding might provide insight into or whether you just fold because of the promotion. It all helps.
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 13:08:32
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Halo_003 kougar Thanks EVGA for another great promotion! To be honest I was hoping to rack up another $100 in EVGA bucks quickly in time for Fermi.... I know... Me too. This'll make it harder to get my Fermi cards. Still doable though. I wonder if I could fold with my 295 and a Fermi at the same time... Hmm. I don't see why you couldn't. I plan on keeping one of my GTS 250's and folding it alongside a GTX 480 or 470 when I get one.
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 13:09:34
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Foldmiester The truth of the matter is anyone folding 3500ppd is not folding 24/7. If they want more points/bucks they will need to fold more. Simply put, Evga stated that they want more folding, so why should they have a promotion that promotes less folding? I really belive your pulling numbers out of the air....no stats state the amount of hours per day that a folder is folding...only amount produced per day. Again the facts are to fold more....and remember not all folders hit last years 1 mil either, they do have a chance to earn more with the new promotion. That is not the truth of the matter. Let me base this on FACT. I use 4 9600 GSO's to fold. They're the 96 SP version. Each one of those cards makes about 112500 points per month. Mind you that's folding 24/7 with as little background resource hogging stuff going on as possible, a truly dedicated folding rig. Granted that's at stock clocks, but I prefer to run them that way because they NEVER error, ever. So now lets look at a 9600GT, sure it might have more memory than one of my GSO's but they also have 32 SP less than my GSO's. Since we all know that SP's is what matters in folding, a 33% reduction SP does affect the PPD. So lets calculate it out. If going by my average of 112500 -33% that equals 74250. And that would be a totally dedicated 9600GT without any use of the folding rig, as even browsing the web reduces PPD. I doubt that overclocking a 9600GT could make it attain the 100k mark in a month. I bet you'll probably say well they can CPU fold; one of my folding rigs uses a 3500+. Folding @ 100% the thing barely makes 200PPD, but guess what, it takes more than that away from the GPU client to do so. So as you see that is not even an option. That's based on a derivative of FACT, not mere speculation.
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 13:14:04
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heydabop Halo_003 kougar Thanks EVGA for another great promotion! To be honest I was hoping to rack up another $100 in EVGA bucks quickly in time for Fermi.... I know... Me too. This'll make it harder to get my Fermi cards. Still doable though. I wonder if I could fold with my 295 and a Fermi at the same time... Hmm. I don't see why you couldn't. I plan on keeping one of my GTS 250's and folding it alongside a GTX 480 or 470 when I get one. Pretty sure this is in reference to the fact that G200 and G92/G80 cards do not like to / cannot fold together. It has to do with number of stream processors on the GPU.
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 13:14:30
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BlackOmega, what happened to your PPD (or where did it go) when you hit 1,016,087 points? 0kr0n1k heydabop Halo_003 kougar Thanks EVGA for another great promotion! To be honest I was hoping to rack up another $100 in EVGA bucks quickly in time for Fermi.... I know... Me too. This'll make it harder to get my Fermi cards. Still doable though. I wonder if I could fold with my 295 and a Fermi at the same time... Hmm. I don't see why you couldn't. I plan on keeping one of my GTS 250's and folding it alongside a GTX 480 or 470 when I get one. Pretty sure this is in reference to the fact that G200 and G92/G80 cards do not like to / cannot fold together. It has to do with number of stream processors on the GPU. D: Even with multi-monitor/extended desktop?
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 13:24:14
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Halo_003 kougar Thanks EVGA for another great promotion! To be honest I was hoping to rack up another $100 in EVGA bucks quickly in time for Fermi.... I know... Me too. This'll make it harder to get my Fermi cards. Still doable though. I wonder if I could fold with my 295 and a Fermi at the same time... Hmm. That just means you'll have a little savings when you buy your second fermi
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 13:27:45
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heydabop BlackOmega, what happened to your PPD (or where did it go) when you hit 1,016,087 points? D: Even with multi-monitor/extended desktop? Well one of my PSU's died, 1 rig down. Then I had an offer from someone to buy up both of the boards/CPU/RAM, so the other rig has been disassembled. I just bought a new Seasonic 850w PSU for my main rig, so I'm going to be transferring my PCP&C 750 over to the other folding rig. And when I do that, I'm planning on putting the other one back together as well. But as of late (last 3 weeks) my prego wife, my 2 boys (2.5 and 10m.o.) and I have been under the weather. We've had everything from pneumonia's to sinus infections to ear infections, etc. And to top it all off I go to school full time. Needless to say time is in very short supply as I have to do a lot more than I usually do. While being ill, it just makes it that much harder. Not to mention the meds I've been taking have me feeling "out of it". But don't fret, they'll be up and running shortly. As for your other point, unless I am mistaken, if you fold on a G200 and a G80/92, the G200 PPD will suffer greatly as it will only run as fast as the slower card. I could be wrong on that, it's been a while since I looked in to it. But I'm pretty sure it works just like RAM, where all the sticks (cards) will only run as fast as the slowest one.
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 13:29:51
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blackomega heydabop BlackOmega, what happened to your PPD (or where did it go) when you hit 1,016,087 points? D: Even with multi-monitor/extended desktop? Well one of my PSU's died, 1 rig down. Then I had an offer from someone to buy up both of the boards/CPU/RAM, so the other rig has been disassembled. I just bought a new Seasonic 850w PSU for my main rig, so I'm going to be transferring my PCP&C 750 over to the other folding rig. And when I do that, I'm planning on putting the other one back together as well. But as of late (last 3 weeks) my prego wife, my 2 boys (2.5 and 10m.o.) and I have been under the weather. We've had everything from pneumonia's to sinus infections to ear infections, etc. And to top it all off I go to school full time. Needless to say time is in very short supply as I have to do a lot more than I usually do. While being ill, it just makes it that much harder. Not to mention the meds I've been taking have me feeling "out of it". But don't fret, they'll be up and running shortly. As for your other point, unless I am mistaken, if you fold on a G200 and a G80/92, the G200 PPD will suffer greatly as it will only run as fast as the slower card. I could be wrong on that, it's been a while since I looked in to it. But I'm pretty sure it works just like RAM, where all the sticks (cards) will only run as fast as the slowest one. Okay, it was an honest question, and thank you for your answer. Sorry for your conditions. I thought that was only in SLI... But I really know nothing about it.
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 13:34:54
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Foldmiester The truth of the matter is anyone folding 3500ppd is not folding 24/7. If they want more points/bucks they will need to fold more. Simply put, Evga stated that they want more folding, so why should they have a promotion that promotes less folding? I really belive your pulling numbers out of the air....no stats state the amount of hours per day that a folder is folding...only amount produced per day. Again the facts are to fold more....and remember not all folders hit last years 1 mil either, they do have a chance to earn more with the new promotion. You are entiltled to your own opinion, however you are not entitled to your own set of facts. Unfortunately, not everyone has the luxury of folding 24/7. Your opinion is pretty much "if you don't fold enough, too bad, buy more or fold more". I'll point out that this promotion pretty much excludes PS3 folders entirely. For example, at 1000 points per day, the PS3 can do 365,000 points per year. That's not much, but last year, it wouldn't be unreasonable for people with a PS3 and a little bit of help to hit 500K, and fold for the cause. With the new promo, exclusively PS3 folders are left out entirely. The point is, what you and EVGA have both neglected is the fact that not everyone folds or can fold constantly. While I understand the desire to encourage people who fold constantly, sometimes, from a monetary and convenience standpoint, it just doesn't work like that. My primary rig running 24/7 can pump out just under 40,000 PPD. I fold at my convenience (which hasn't been much lately for a number of reasons), and frankly points are points. This new system is not any more exploitation proof than the old one (for example, i can choose to fold one week out of each month). If people want to fold for the cause or just to get points, in the grand scheme IT DOESN'T MATTER. The points get accumulated. If they wanted to encourage more folding, the easiest way would be to increase the point caps. Finally, the fact of the matter is that this is a promotion. EVGA is free to run it however they'd like. Unfortunately, the message this sends to people only capable of one or two thousand PPD is that it's not enough to be valued. Like it or not, EVGA has attracted a lot of new folders with the existing promo. The new promo is a poor attempt at addressing the issue of people who folded to the million and stopped. The reality is it doesn't really do much by way of preventing the same thing, it just breaks up the intervals in which these people will fold, and what it verifiably DOES do is leave low PPD folders out in the cold.
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 13:37:00
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blackomega As for your other point, unless I am mistaken, if you fold on a G200 and a G80/92, the G200 PPD will suffer greatly as it will only run as fast as the slower card. I could be wrong on that, it's been a while since I looked in to it. But I'm pretty sure it works just like RAM, where all the sticks (cards) will only run as fast as the slowest one. Exactly.
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 13:44:12
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blackomega Foldmiester The truth of the matter is anyone folding 3500ppd is not folding 24/7. If they want more points/bucks they will need to fold more. Simply put, Evga stated that they want more folding, so why should they have a promotion that promotes less folding? I really belive your pulling numbers out of the air....no stats state the amount of hours per day that a folder is folding...only amount produced per day. Again the facts are to fold more....and remember not all folders hit last years 1 mil either, they do have a chance to earn more with the new promotion. That is not the truth of the matter. Let me base this on FACT. I use 4 9600 GSO's to fold. They're the 96 SP version. Each one of those cards makes about 112500 points per month. Mind you that's folding 24/7 with as little background resource hogging stuff going on as possible, a truly dedicated folding rig. Granted that's at stock clocks, but I prefer to run them that way because they NEVER error, ever. So now lets look at a 9600GT, sure it might have more memory than one of my GSO's but they also have 32 SP less than my GSO's. Since we all know that SP's is what matters in folding, a 33% reduction SP does affect the PPD. So lets calculate it out. If going by my average of 112500 -33% that equals 74250. And that would be a totally dedicated 9600GT without any use of the folding rig, as even browsing the web reduces PPD. I doubt that overclocking a 9600GT could make it attain the 100k mark in a month. I bet you'll probably say well they can CPU fold; one of my folding rigs uses a 3500+. Folding @ 100% the thing barely makes 200PPD, but guess what, it takes more than that away from the GPU client to do so. So as you see that is not even an option. That's based on a derivative of FACT, not mere speculation. blackomega, (1st) I also own a 9600gso oc, 96 shaders...overclocked I get 4800ppd on 353's and appx. 4200ppd on everything else, so let's lower it even more down to 4000ppd average...if my math is correct that would be 120,000ppm in a 30 day month.... more than enough to make the $60 with the new promotion. (2nd) Not everyone owns a 9600gso...but i do...and it safely averages 4000ppd x 30 = 120,000/month. (3rd) I asked that we put this behind us and move on...if you want to continue to argue I will not respond past this point...maybe you thrive on conflict...it is bad for the blood pressure.
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 13:45:36
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0kr0n1k blackomega As for your other point, unless I am mistaken, if you fold on a G200 and a G80/92, the G200 PPD will suffer greatly as it will only run as fast as the slower card. I could be wrong on that, it's been a while since I looked in to it. But I'm pretty sure it works just like RAM, where all the sticks (cards) will only run as fast as the slowest one. Exactly. I guess you mean EXACTLY FALLACY, because that's what it is... @ blackomega: I don't know where you got that false info but folding on two different GPU's on the same system has no analogy to RAM sticks. Different GPU's fold independent from each other.
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 13:46:42
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heydabop BlackOmega, what happened to your PPD (or where did it go) when you hit 1,016,087 points?
heydabop Okay, it was an honest question, and thank you for your answer. Sorry for your conditions. That was pretty clearly an attempt at goading him into revealing that he was only folding for the money. This type of stuff bothers me, because, frankly, just as it's EVGA's promotion and they're free to run it how they like, people are free to use their resources how they like. Because it offends some people that some people would only fold for the money is no reason to be the character police. Like I have said before, it shouldn't really matter how the points are accumulated. There are tons of EVGA folders who stopped at the 1M mark this year. Does that make them terrible people? No. They contributed 1M worth of points to a good cause. Folding is a donation of time and resources to a charitable cause. Some people think that because you *can* give more that you're a terrible person if you don't. Frankly, that's a joke, and quite a while ago I got sick of all the character assassination and judging of morality on here for how people choose to use their resources. Is it really a bad thing that so many wealthy people make charitable donations simply because of the tax writeoffs? Should we punish them for it? Seriously, people?
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 13:50:10
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0kr0n1k Foldmiester The truth of the matter is anyone folding 3500ppd is not folding 24/7. If they want more points/bucks they will need to fold more. Simply put, Evga stated that they want more folding, so why should they have a promotion that promotes less folding? I really belive your pulling numbers out of the air....no stats state the amount of hours per day that a folder is folding...only amount produced per day. Again the facts are to fold more....and remember not all folders hit last years 1 mil either, they do have a chance to earn more with the new promotion. You are entiltled to your own opinion, however you are not entitled to your own set of facts. Unfortunately, not everyone has the luxury of folding 24/7. Your opinion is pretty much "if you don't fold enough, too bad, buy more or fold more". I'll point out that this promotion pretty much excludes PS3 folders entirely. For example, at 1000 points per day, the PS3 can do 365,000 points per year. That's not much, but last year, it wouldn't be unreasonable for people with a PS3 and a little bit of help to hit 500K, and fold for the cause. With the new promo, exclusively PS3 folders are left out entirely. The point is, what you and EVGA have both neglected is the fact that not everyone folds or can fold constantly. While I understand the desire to encourage people who fold constantly, sometimes, from a monetary and convenience standpoint, it just doesn't work like that. My primary rig running 24/7 can pump out just under 40,000 PPD. I fold at my convenience (which hasn't been much lately for a number of reasons), and frankly points are points. This new system is not any more exploitation proof than the old one (for example, i can choose to fold one week out of each month). If people want to fold for the cause or just to get points, in the grand scheme IT DOESN'T MATTER. The points get accumulated. If they wanted to encourage more folding, the easiest way would be to increase the point caps. Finally, the fact of the matter is that this is a promotion. EVGA is free to run it however they'd like. Unfortunately, the message this sends to people only capable of one or two thousand PPD is that it's not enough to be valued. Like it or not, EVGA has attracted a lot of new folders with the existing promo. The new promo is a poor attempt at addressing the issue of people who folded to the million and stopped. The reality is it doesn't really do much by way of preventing the same thing, it just breaks up the intervals in which these people will fold, and what it verifiably DOES do is leave low PPD folders out in the cold. Extremely well put. I was wanting to mention ps3 users but didn't.
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 13:50:27
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theGryphon I guess you mean EXACTLY FALLACY, because that's what it is... @ blackomega: I don't know where you got that false info but folding on two different GPU's on the same system has no analogy to RAM sticks. Different GPU's fold independent from each other. No, they won't. Go stick a 9800GT and a 275 in the same system and tell me if you get the maximum output from each one. You won't. It's been proven. Unless something has changed with regards to this in the past couple of months, this is the truth. You can fold on the same series G200, G80, G92 and there is some intermixing, but you most verifiably CAN NOT fold to maximum output on, for example, a 9800GT and a GTX275. The RAM analogy holds water. It's different at the technical level, but conceptually it's the same, with some exceptions.
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Re:Folding@EVGA Year 3 EVGA Bucks Promotion!!
2010/02/17 13:54:20
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0kr0n1k Unfortunately, not everyone has the luxury of folding 24/7. Your opinion is pretty much "if you don't fold enough, too bad, buy more or fold more". I'll point out that this promotion pretty much excludes PS3 folders entirely. For example, at 1000 points per day, the PS3 can do 365,000 points per year. That's not much, but last year, it wouldn't be unreasonable for people with a PS3 and a little bit of help to hit 500K, and fold for the cause. With the new promo, exclusively PS3 folders are left out entirely. The point is, what you and EVGA have both neglected is the fact that not everyone folds or can fold constantly. While I understand the desire to encourage people who fold constantly, sometimes, from a monetary and convenience standpoint, it just doesn't work like that. My primary rig running 24/7 can pump out just under 40,000 PPD. I fold at my convenience (which hasn't been much lately for a number of reasons), and frankly points are points. This new system is not any more exploitation proof than the old one (for example, i can choose to fold one week out of each month). If people want to fold for the cause or just to get points, in the grand scheme IT DOESN'T MATTER. The points get accumulated. If they wanted to encourage more folding, the easiest way would be to increase the point caps. Finally, the fact of the matter is that this is a promotion. EVGA is free to run it however they'd like. Unfortunately, the message this sends to people only capable of one or two thousand PPD is that it's not enough to be valued. Like it or not, EVGA has attracted a lot of new folders with the existing promo. The new promo is a poor attempt at addressing the issue of people who folded to the million and stopped. The reality is it doesn't really do much by way of preventing the same thing, it just breaks up the intervals in which these people will fold, and what it verifiably DOES do is leave low PPD folders out in the cold. Very well put. I think if people and Evga look at it from a marketing standpoint, they would really see the benefit from making the points cumulative rather than this way which leaves a great portion of people out in the cold regarding rewards. That's a large potential loss of sales. There's 2 ways to make money off of stuff, either sell A LOT of product at a low markup, or sell less with higher markup. From my sales experience (wholesale), I've always found it beneficial to sell more for less. It's not a fluke that everywhere I went I would increase PROFIT by over 30%; my last job at a Honda dealer I increased their profit margin by 38%. I look at it from a business point of view, what would give people enough incentive to fold for Evga yet bring in the most amount of customers and maximize profit. This promotion does not fall in to that criteria. It leaves out potential customers. The customers that would've used their Evga bucks to purchase something from Evga @ MSRP, will now most likely look for the best deal regardless of brand. heydabop Okay, it was an honest question, and thank you for your answer. Sorry for your conditions. I thought that was only in SLI... But I really know nothing about it. I'm not sure if the new drivers remedied that situation, but last I checked that's how it was; but, that was a while ago. However, I do believe that you can fold with SLI enabled now though. No worries, we're all getting better slowly but surely. it just takes time.
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