First timer Water Cooling X58 SLI with SLI 480 HC FTW 10x120mm radiators DD Doublewide

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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/04/29 23:26:23 (permalink)
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I really like that case... I was never a fan of acrylic but i think it is growing on me... especially now that I see how much benefit a double wide case can really be.


There is a Mountain Mods case that is double wide, UFO I think? it has front ability for a triple triple (9x120) radiator. I had not seen that before this case then after I received this and started assembly I saw that one and was upset because it offers 18 wide, 18 deep, this one is 15 wide x 17 deep. Trust me with 2 loops, big PSU, reservoir etc... well you'll see the pics and how much room is NOT left over. :-(
 
However I got a bit happier when I measured between side of my desk and my bench by the wall it is about 16-17" so the width of that mountain mods might have caused me a slight problem but I could have made it work. It isn't acrylic but I think I would have bought it instead because of the front mount 9 x 120 single rad, with ability to add more radiators on the back! and has room for 5.25 bays etc.
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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/01 03:31:33 (permalink)
Quick update.... Never ever think that fittings are ultra tight and clamps aren't necessary. I'm using the oversized bitspower fittings and the Tygon tubing was so tight on there it was extremely hard to even remove after install.

However and fortunately during testing a hose came off, did not get on anything except a little bit on PSU which I got off before it even went anywhere as I was still filling the res.

I ran out of tubing (15 FT), I think I really went overboard with 3 radiators 2 pumps etc. I have to get more tubing and even though I live in South FL with access to Miami and FT Laud there appears to be no one local that carries it. So it won't be until Tuesday until I can get the CPU loop completed.

I will put some pics up with GPU loop running water testing sometime today or tomorrow.
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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/02 14:41:39 (permalink)
Updated pics... comments are welcomed. Especially if anyone can explain if I should worry about the tiny bubbles in a couple of my lines.
 

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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/02 15:17:19 (permalink)
Small air bubbles are normal like that. Flick the tube a few times and they will slowly go away. Your rez should capture all the bubbles after time.

That case looks amazing... this is going to be a great build when it is 100% done :) great work.
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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/02 21:41:48 (permalink)
I just set mine up.  I got rid of them by doing the following things:

1st -- flicking the tube

2nd -- turning the speed of my pump down really low then rapidly bringing up to full

3rd, gently rocking case back and forth, left and right while pump running.

It wasn't until I did three that I got rid of all visible bubbles except the ones in my drain tube, which doesn't really matter because there is no flow through it.

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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/02 21:49:35 (permalink)
Good job on the build mate! I hope that you put up the final picture of where that beast stands. For water cooling wise defiantly flick the tubing. At first i thought that was frost and was like DAMN!!!! Haha anyway defiantly keep an eye out for leaks tho!

Good job is at hand



 
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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/02 21:50:54 (permalink)
Quick question that 3 way sli, is that bottom connector attached to anything or is it just chillin there?



 
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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/03 00:43:15 (permalink)
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Quick question that 3 way sli, is that bottom connector attached to anything or is it just chillin there?


Actually it is only 2 way SLI, don't know of anyone that has 3 way 480 HC FTW I doubt there is anyone that does have 3 cards. The bottom card is a PCI SB XFI card. The SLI bridge I am using is the 3 way SLI bridge and the bottom part of the bridge is just not connected to anything hanging there (chillin) :-)
 
Thanks for looking will be updating more pics with 2nd loop for CPU Tuesday when more tubing arrives.
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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/06 23:34:21 (permalink)
Both loops are now complete. My XSPC reservoir had a problem with the last fitting hole, around the hole had 2-3 little jagged divets (very very small) well small enough that overnight I had 3-4 drops leak. So I torqued it down even more (almost as if I was going to break the fitting) and it stopped but let it go all day and still got a drop.

FYI: I got almost all my parts from Performance PCs and I thought after spending $2000 that a $50 piece defective would be no problem to get swapped (I was within 30 days of purchase) they said they had to involve XSPC support rep, who wanted to blame fitting or user error or user damage. Since I was fuming that this is the 1. Longest build in my life 2. Most expensive build in my life. I actually DROVE to Performance PCs as they are 2 hrs away (158 miles). Met with James that put the res on a bench filled with water and I got to see those koolance quick connect/disconnect fittings, while they are large they are REALLY good, barely a drop of coolant comes out.

Anyway, I had already sent pictures to the XSPC guy and James finally said he would deal with it with them, but BE AWARE when you purchase from Performance PCs they act like you purchased the item from the manufacturer instead of them and want you to go to manufacturer for support even if it is within 30 days. That got me a little annoyed honestly because as I mentioned to James I didn't buy it direct from XSPC I bought it from them. James said "Well that's what XSPC requires if we are to sell their products". Funny I thought it was the manufacturers that tried to get resellers to buy product to sell for them not the other way around. I'm in the IT industry and if something I bought to resell wasn't working and manufacturer wouldn't handle it then it would be the last time I ever sold anything for them.

Now that I got that all off my chest, build is COMPLETE, ended up getting this nice Lian Li fan controller it has 6 knobs so I can make my PC silent when I am not doing anything stressful, I'll combine 2 fans per header as it'll only be 0.40A total (0.20A per fan) and be able to adjust them at will.

Adjusted my build list to include this item, also I bought 2 T-fittings so I can properly drain my loop when needed, adding all those new items to my list. Oh and the air that you see in pics was a stuck pocket of air in one of my reservoirs, removed it while connected and tilting it around and now loops are free of air.
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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/07 09:14:36 (permalink)
Take off that 3-way SLI Bridge and just use the little 2-way SLI bridge. Unless the GTX 480 is different.
By the way, this build gives me inspiration to go liquid and to get a double wide case. Once I have enough money saved up I will definitely do something similar to this.
Great Work!




post edited by XXChronicXX - 2010/05/07 10:00:22

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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/11 18:50:27 (permalink)
that is one DEAD sexy build! 
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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/12 02:05:18 (permalink)
Updated images please :)

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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/12 04:34:02 (permalink)
Shortly will have final build pics, it was a serious **** to get this wrapped up, I swear the case is minimum 80LB and that's before HDD installation, so it'll be 85-90LB when I am done. Thankfully I made a platform on MDF with 125LB load caster wheels to move it.

If I have to remove MB it is going to be a serious PITA, also removing PSU serious PITA. Everything had to be put together like a car engine layer after layer, the most expensive, time consuming and difficult build I've ever done. I believe after all said and done there's $1400 in just the water cooling if you add case + PSU it gets up to $2000.......

It has been about 5 days now that I've been tweaking voltages to squeeze every last MHZ out of this CPU / MB so I can justify the water cooling. I'm stable in Linx and OCCT now but Prime95 failed after 8 hours yesterday with a BSOD 0x0000000A so I bumped vcc + vdimm 1 notch each and I have prime95 going 8 hours exactly now. Going to give it rest of morning into the afternoon then call it stable finally!

I'll get those final build pics when I unplug and can capture both sides of it with and without the HDDs installed. I went through 20 (TWENTY) Feet of tubing! That's not counting the couple feet of mistakes that's actual usage. I managed to get just over 4.4Ghz out of the CPU and it wasn't easy to do. So far GPUs were around 870-890 without any voltage tweaking so anxious to see with extra voltage how I'll do on those with 6x120mm rad cooling I should get the max out of them.
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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/12 05:59:51 (permalink)
Nice, Pentium! Sorry about the res though..that sucks (especially since I just bought the same res for my build....).....Hope mine is ok.....

Looks like I'll need to buy more tubing..heh


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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/12 06:18:24 (permalink)
Geebus Riced !!!!

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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/12 07:36:10 (permalink)
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Nice, Pentium! Sorry about the res though..that sucks (especially since I just bought the same res for my build....).....Hope mine is ok.....

Looks like I'll need to buy more tubing..heh


Yep definately extra tubing, also you might want to think about how you will drain the loop, the T-fittings from bitspower and the plugs would be a great idea (they are both in my parts list)
 
With regards to the res the next res I got was perfect, it was definately the 3 tiny little gouge marks around the fitting hole that caused the very tiny leak, I of course checked around the holes to make sure they were 100% smooth on the 2nd res. The res is great for 2 loops, keeps more than enough fluid in there and makes it much easier to bleed. Having the res outside and on top of the case is perfect for me, I have 2 LED (1 for each loop side of res) and it allows me to see water movement and fluid level. Also if I have to mess with either loop the res is easy to move, disconnect, drain etc.
 
The one thing I wish I had done was getting higher powered fans because I am using that Lian Li fan controller and my Scythes are 1600 rpm (63cfm) which I can't even hear them with the other noise in my office when they are 100%, so turning them down isn't even needed. If I had gotten say 100-120 cfm fans I could have adjusted for benching / gaming higher speeds for lower temps. Believe it or not I can hear the Corsair 2x60mm fans ontop of all these 10x120mm fans! Yes it is true, so I put that corsair ram fan on the 7th position of the fan controller so when I want it extra quiet for surfing web etc I won't have to hear them.
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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/12 08:54:41 (permalink)
looks amazing!! by far one of the greatest looking rigs i've yet to see.

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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/15 17:00:01 (permalink)
looks at the Hydro FTWs ... and begins to drool! 
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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/20 12:38:22 (permalink)
Final pics!!! Check out the WEI and SSD speeds! This is by far the wildest build I've ever done and probably will EVER DO. Inside this double wide is double stuffed. I thought I'd have room to spare but NOPE. The thing is put together like a Rubic's Cube... Everything has to go in a certain way and removed a certain way. 22 FEET of Tubing....... 3.5 LITERS of coolant. UPS battery you see is a 1500VA SmartUps that handles 980W.... At 2560x1600 in Vantage it OVERLOADS when I overclock past 1800 shader / 2200 mem....That's with ONLY the PC attached
 
Enjoy the pics, leave a post if you like them or have any questions.
 

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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/20 12:44:35 (permalink)
Remainder of Final Pics, SSD Raid-0 vs Standard HDD scores, WEI score, and my G19 Everest programming so far.
 

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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/20 13:30:28 (permalink)
gotta say it......that is a thing of shear beauty....nice job....and i am with sledge....acrylics are growing on me....especially after seeing that....really nice job....

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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/20 14:00:48 (permalink)
Thank you .I know I certainly could have used nicer looking clamps, I could have sleeved more wires, I could have hidden a lot of wires and things to make it really showroom special. However it won't really be seen by many people if anyone so I went with the most secure clamps as I am still paranoid about leaks but less so now.

FYI I have the newest Everest programmed so if either pump loses 10% power or CPU or GPU gets hot it will auto shutdown PC. So that was 1 fear I had because I leave my PC on 24/7, the only one left is if there is a leak, most everyone that's done WC for a while tells me once it is built and leak tested if there are no leaks it won't leak.
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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/20 16:13:19 (permalink)
Pentium could not take my eyes off the build.the effort and time you put into this was worth every minute and dollar. thanks for taking the time and sharing the experience. i know you are tired but when you get the time and inspiration do the wireing it will make a big difference. i will include a pic of my poultry system

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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/20 16:27:11 (permalink)
Thanks for sharing your rig, you have a setup there with the rad on the outside a lot of people are doing the outside rad thing, it is noticable for temps too when the rad is outside the case. A lot of Ts in there, one loop and double rad? How are the temps with running GPU and CPU together? Guessing they are still good?
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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/20 17:06:54 (permalink)
what were your overall thoughts on the enzotech NB/SB/Vreg block, Im planning on using that on an upcoming addition to my pc

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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/20 21:47:43 (permalink)
Tribbs

what were your overall thoughts on the enzotech NB/SB/Vreg block, Im planning on using that on an upcoming addition to my pc


Honestly, not very impressed :-(
 
It seems restrictive although I can't be sure of that my GPUs which are on the same loop do fine but my vreg is 57C idle and 80C full load (Linx testing) which seems quite high for water, NB does better 48C idle 60C max load. My temps were lowered with the block also I am running 210 Bclk @ 4.4Ghz with 1.53 vcc + 933 PWM so there's some juice going through it. In the end I now with I had gotten the classified board along with the EK block that is 1 piece black.
 
Board is doing well though just was a pain to tweak because even without vdroop it still droops on this board when loaded, whereas the classified it actually increases a tiny bit @ load which is when you need rock solid voltage or slightly higher. I don't really like to have to use 1.53v going through it because of the droop at load. Would rather a 1.49 or 1.50 setting which I could have used with a classified board.
 
I opted for the Enzotech block because it was all one piece so less fittings less chance of problems, depends on your target goal of overclocking because chipset water cooling isn't really necessary unless you want to hit max OCs if you have a CPU that will do it. It works just make absolutely sure you use the screws and the plastic spacers that hold the stock HSF on the board, don't use the screws they give you. Also you need to make sure there is VERY good solid contact with the block to the chipset, at first I was hitting 70C on the NB at idle until I adjusted the block to make better contact.
post edited by Pentium777 - 2010/05/20 21:50:25
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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/23 13:57:51 (permalink)
Awesome images Pentium... those Vreg temps seem hot tbh... Might want to make sure you have good connection with your blocks. I used a double layer of thermal pads as one pad was not thick enough to properly connect. but I used the spacers on my EK block so it might be different for you.

My Vregs sit around 44c idle and hit 58c max load. NB is 45c and 61c max load.

I am at the point right now where I want to see what swapping my chipset loop does overall to my cooling. I currently have it on the CPU loop, but would like to move that small amount of heat to the GPU loop.

I am thinking of also swapping my flow to run from the bottom up on the GPU's. I have heart and seen some positive results doing it this way but I will need to buy some more compression fitting as I do not feel barbs will hold back that pressure build up.

Either or fun things I can test with my system in trying to get better temps.

Thanks
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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/23 14:42:41 (permalink)
Dude this is a beautiful build.  Congrats on a job well done.  I have never cared for acrylic cases but after seeing this I must say I'm jumping on the band wagon with everyone else that has posted, it's HOT!

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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/25 23:13:11 (permalink)
sledgehammer70

Awesome images Pentium... those Vreg temps seem hot tbh... Might want to make sure you have good connection with your blocks. I used a double layer of thermal pads as one pad was not thick enough to properly connect. but I used the spacers on my EK block so it might be different for you.

My Vregs sit around 44c idle and hit 58c max load. NB is 45c and 61c max load.

I am at the point right now where I want to see what swapping my chipset loop does overall to my cooling. I currently have it on the CPU loop, but would like to move that small amount of heat to the GPU loop.

I am thinking of also swapping my flow to run from the bottom up on the GPU's. I have heart and seen some positive results doing it this way but I will need to buy some more compression fitting as I do not feel barbs will hold back that pressure build up.

Either or fun things I can test with my system in trying to get better temps.


Thanks!. My BCLK is running 210 and I need 1.53v because of the droop of the X58 SLI. Wish I had gone classified now because when you set voltage say 1.500v it actually stays there or is 1.505 for example when stressed. My CPU when stressed goes from 1.53v in bios down to 1.494-1.505v because of droop even though droop is turned off in bios, if I turn it on it droops even more.
 
Vreg temps are high for that reason I think and I am running 18x uncore, if I go with lower bclk and lower uncore with less voltage vreg is 48-50c idle and 55-60 load so it must have good enough contact. Our NB temps are almost the same.
 
I put my chipset loop with GPUs because both GPUs and chipset aren't so sensitive to temps, 55C to 60C on GPU won't make any difference for example but for CPU I wanted no restriction and best temps. My GPU loop is pretty restrictive with 2 separate 360 rads connected plus 2 water blocks and the chipset block now I am adding 1 koolance quick disconnect tomorrow morning which I'll show pics of it. VL3N which doesn't even allow 1 drop of coolant out, VL4 I was thinking of getting but it is only slightly less restrictive but lets out 2-3 teaspoons of coolant. I'll show ya some closer pics of my GPU loop when I get it back together tomorrow and how it goes from bottom up, Res->Pump->Rad1->Rad2->GPU2->GPU1->Chipset->Res
 
It was VERY solid, since I had to disconnect it, took me removing the clamp completely (still didn't leak) and then squeezing the Tygon tube a LOT to get it to leak a couple drops. I am going to replace that stubby stock fitting that came with the 480 HC with a bitspower C01 that has more grip. Also the bottom card if there is a couple drops won't really hurt anything even the XFI card because the fitting is higher in the PCI slot.
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Re:Which mobo chipset block(s)? 2010/05/25 23:18:39 (permalink)
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Dude this is a beautiful build.  Congrats on a job well done.  I have never cared for acrylic cases but after seeing this I must say I'm jumping on the band wagon with everyone else that has posted, it's HOT!


Thanks, wait until you see the additional UV LED lights I have now, it will illuminate all of the coolant, I got two sticks of 24 LED UV lights. http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=72_107&products_id=21677
 
Damn I didn't even know they had 30 LED light model only saw the 24 model. I didn't have enough UV to light up all my hoses but 2 of these should help. Seeing inside the case at all times is very nice you can check for any possible leaks always and all the glowing coolant is pretty nice.
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