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With Year X fast approaching, have there been any musings about the goal posts being pushed back for the $5 and $10 marks? Granted I'm sure the official response may be we'll discuss it when it gets closer, but March 1st will be here in 6 weeks and 1 day. Some of us (me) have to budget new hardware weeks out to upgrade if there's a push on the goals. #adulting
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/17 10:39:21
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Tiger770 we have lots of time. Year 10 Starts in March and in the Year 9 Thread their is some talk about Year 10 well.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/17 11:08:19
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Time is relative, and always moving forward...
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/17 11:51:50
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i personally believe that with the new 10XX series the points required for EVGA Bucks will double for year 10.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/17 13:59:59
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Chris21010 i personally believe that with the new 10XX series the points required for EVGA Bucks will double for year 10.
As I am currently on tight budgets, I would not support an increase in the points for EVGA Bucks... But as a long term believer in F@H and one who would like to see us increase the output, I do support some kind of increase. What I would more like to suggest is that with the 10th year anniversary of the program, I would like to see options to instead of getting EVGA Bucks, that we have the option of getting some kind of EVGA swag that commemorates the 10th year anniversary. Perhaps we can forgo a month of folding points to get a tshirt for free or something of that nature.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/17 14:17:32
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I would understand an increase, I wouldn't expect it to double. Not everyone can afford to upgrade. I do like your idea pcmaster, that would be up to EVGA to support. It is a nice idea though.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/17 14:32:47
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IF EVGA continues their folding promotion for year 10, based on how the bucks targets have been set we should expect to see an increase in required points. Generally, the top monthly point target has been loosely set at approximately 500 hours of folding on the current mid-range card (at the moment the 1060). Given the vast improvement in folding performance of the current generation of cards we should expect a sizable increase in bucks targets. Years where we have seen no increase in points have coincided with years where the next generation of GPUs offered little to no improvement in folding performance and are not based on an upgrade cycle. A threshold of 3M/6M is reasonable and 3M/7M is not out of the question, but 4M/8M is probably a stretch (disclaimer:I have yet to see reliable PPD numbers for a 1060 at stock clock over a robust set of projects). If you're folding solely for the EVGA bucks, I'm glad your here and hope you stick around. If the targets go up and you are no longer able to hit them it would be great if you stuck around but we are all here voluntarily and if it makes more sense for you to step away then a heartfelt thanks for all you've done and I hope you drop by and visit from time to time. Unfortunately, this is the nature of the folding beast...
Additionally, a good point was made that keeping pace with inflation would mean the EVGA bucks should be 6/12 rather than 5/10 to hold the same value they did when the promotion started 10 years ago. (Source: BLS.gov)
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/17 14:33:56
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i love the idea about swag for the 10th year, t-shirt, mug, anything like that would be awesome. but the point of not being able to "afford" new hardware should not be a relevant consideration to how much, if any, they increase the required points for EVGA Bucks. it should be a % of what the latest X70 series card can do in a month. if not then then you defeat the whole purpose of this program. to make you want to spend your EVGA Bucks and some $$$ on the latest hardware to keep up with the requirements to obtain more EVGA Bucks, and support a good cause in the process.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/17 14:49:40
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troy8d Additionally, a good point was made that keeping pace with inflation would mean the EVGA bucks should be 6/12 rather than 5/10 to hold the same value they did when the promotion started 10 years ago. (Source: BLS.gov)
Hey, I think I made that point. :) Agreed. Based on my loose math, the 570 I bought in 2011 $120 of the $349 sticker was approximately 34%. Today (2017), if I were to buy a founder's edition 1070 for $439, the $120 is just over 27%. I appreciate EVGA offering a promotion at all, and the age old adage of something is better than nothing is always appropriate in circumstances like this. But it does feel like the prices are creeping further and further away (1% per year).
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/17 15:25:24
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A little off topic, but the raffle we did as part of the TimeZone Challenge was awesome. I would gladly donate my EVGA bucks towards another raffle for another challenge. EVGA would have to somehow facilitate it though. Just an idea.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/17 15:30:21
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mektacular A little off topic, but the raffle we did as part of the TimeZone Challenge was awesome. I would gladly donate my EVGA bucks towards another raffle for another challenge. EVGA would have to somehow facilitate it though. Just an idea.
You could use the bucks to get a couple of mice or slightly bridges or something. It would be nice if EVGA could allow us to transfer bucks, but I don't think that would happen as people would just sell them off or find ways to abuse the system and claim their account was hacked.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/17 15:37:52
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Scarlet-Tech It would be nice if EVGA could allow us to transfer bucks, but I don't think that would happen as people would just sell them off or find ways to abuse the system and claim their account was hacked.
or fold across multiple accounts and transfer all the credit to one account.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/17 15:41:44
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Scarlet-Tech It would be nice if EVGA could allow us to transfer bucks, but I don't think that would happen as people would just sell them off or find ways to abuse the system and claim their account was hacked.
or fold across multiple accounts and transfer all the credit to one account.
That is exactly why EVGA has a rule "not allowed more than one account" and is a direct violation of EVGA terms of service. It would be a great way to lose every EVGA buck a user has, as all accounts would be banned and bucks removed. EVGA has ways of verifying these types of things. Terms OF Service Multiple Accounts - Do not create secondary accounts. If you have an account issue, contact the Webmaster via his email address or Private Message, and provide your information that would help identify your account, and provide a brief description of the issue. Creating multiple accounts to evade a temporary or permanent ban will increase your time away from the forums leading up to a permanent ban. If you have accidentally created a second account, please contact the Webmaster so it can be removed. So yeah, I could see that being abused if EVGA ever allowed people to transfer bucks. Definitely not going to happen.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/19 20:33:59
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for the last few years I think what they did was keep in the point requirement the same for two years running, then raise it the following year, which is what I'm expecting. so 2017 will be the same, then in 2018 it'll raise to whatever (maybe 2.5m/5m or 3m/6m? depending) I could also see an increase to maybe 2m/4m but not really much more beyond that for this year. a 6/12 buck system would be nice, or even a 5/10/15 system. or maybe the surprise giveaway they did for folders however many years ago (I remember I won a 9800 GT card from that, with top prize being a GTX 280, so around the timeframe when the 280 was top dog) maybe something like a t-shirt or something once a month to randomly selected folders that fold more than ??? points for that month?
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/21 12:37:41
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Howdy All, All great ideas for sure. Let me meet up with Joe and Rob to see what we can do to make the 10th anniversary awesome! If there are any other suggestions please feel free to post and i'll check back here when I can or to give you an update. We really do appreciate all who fold for EVGA and making this an awesome team as always. _Eddie
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/21 23:45:33
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That is my hope, 2M/4M. Already started to go for 4M a month as is to acclimate myself to the next increase. Trying to be power budget conscious so I don't burn much power after that threshold. 3M/5M or 3M/6M might be a bit much of a raise for quite a bit. 4M/8M would feel more like a raise in order to allow only the power folders to achieve and force the smaller folders to upgrade or step away. They have been pretty reasonable in the raises in the past from my POV so I think a 2M/4M or raise seems about right.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/22 21:20:17
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here's an idea: I know people have in the past suggested a third tier of folding points to earn more EVGA bucks, akin to a 5/10/15 buck system. the downside is it makes it very difficult for those without the higher end folding hardware to reach the final goal, and they feel like they would be missing out on something that's reserved for power folders. what if, instead of more EVGA bucks at the third level, you get entered into a monthly giveaway, or get an extra entry. let's say something like this: 1.5 million points: 5 EVGA bucks and 1 entry 3.0 million points: another 5 EVGA bucks (for a total of 10) and a second entry 4.5 million points: no more EVGA bucks, but you get a third entry the Prize doesn't need to really be that valuable, maybe something like a t-shirt or lanyard. this way there is an incentive to fold past the 10 buck mark, but people who can't don't feel like they are missing out on much, as they can still win, just with slightly worse odds than those that reach the third tier. Another thing that might be nice, is if there was an extra incentive to keep folding month after month, say, 1 extra buck if you folded the previous month, 2 if you folded the 3 months before, and 3 for the previous 6 months. I know for me, what helps motivate and excite me is a reward or prize of some kind, even if it's very small, it's still a point I can focus on and say "almost there!" even if the prize/reward is less exciting that a new car, 7 day cruise, or a million EVGA bucks. That said, if it's in the marketing budget to give away any of those things, I wouldn't object.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/23 09:09:49
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I Fold as a way to give back, to better humanity and to help research find a cure. The recognition and EVGA bucks are a nice extra but that is just icing on the cake. I look at the extra electricity for my folding rigs as a (Non-deductible) charitable donation - and I give what I can [edit (Non-deductible) for clarity]
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/23 09:11:34
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Cool GTX I Fold as a way to give back, to better humanity and to help research find a cure. The recognition and EVGA bucks are a nice extra but that is just icing on the cake. I look at the extra electricity for my folding rigs as a charitable donation - and I give what I can
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/23 09:13:42
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Cool GTX I Fold as a way to give back, to better humanity and to help research find a cure. The recognition and EVGA bucks are a nice extra but that is just icing on the cake. I look at the extra electricity for my folding rigs as a charitable donation - and I give what I can
"extra electricity for my folding rigs as a charitable donation" And us Home Folders Cannot write this off on our Fed Tax.
My comment had no direct correlation to Taxes or deductibility --- just my feeling as to why I choose to give You made a valid point for those who do not know that - Thank You for the clarity
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/23 11:14:08
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Hi all, Yes we are review if we will continue our Folding Promotion and if we do, what type of increase (if any) we will apply. Any and all feedback in the next week or so would be greatly appreicated! If we keep the program, what increases are reasonable? I am seeing 2 and 4 mentioned for the most part so far. Also, some great ideas for other ways to support (like contests). I'll work with Eddie and Joe after next week to finalize. Thanks, Rob
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/23 11:22:03
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z999z3mystorys here's an idea: I know people have in the past suggested a third tier of folding points to earn more EVGA bucks, akin to a 5/10/15 buck system. the downside is it makes it very difficult for those without the higher end folding hardware to reach the final goal, and they feel like they would be missing out on something that's reserved for power folders. what if, instead of more EVGA bucks at the third level, you get entered into a monthly giveaway, or get an extra entry. let's say something like this: 1.5 million points: 5 EVGA bucks and 1 entry 3.0 million points: another 5 EVGA bucks (for a total of 10) and a second entry 4.5 million points: no more EVGA bucks, but you get a third entry the Prize doesn't need to really be that valuable, maybe something like a t-shirt or lanyard. this way there is an incentive to fold past the 10 buck mark, but people who can't don't feel like they are missing out on much, as they can still win, just with slightly worse odds than those that reach the third tier. Another thing that might be nice, is if there was an extra incentive to keep folding month after month, say, 1 extra buck if you folded the previous month, 2 if you folded the 3 months before, and 3 for the previous 6 months. I know for me, what helps motivate and excite me is a reward or prize of some kind, even if it's very small, it's still a point I can focus on and say "almost there!" even if the prize/reward is less exciting that a new car, 7 day cruise, or a million EVGA bucks. That said, if it's in the marketing budget to give away any of those things, I wouldn't object.
I love this idea myself. EVGA would know the numbers better than any of us would, but I suspect that if EVGA would put up a raffle type giveaway for a GTX1060 would be less costly having a 3rd tier for 5 EVGA bucks.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/23 13:01:34
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The milestones were increased to 1.5M and 3M for the current year. I'd support leaving them be for another year, and then increasing them in 2018. Regardless, a big "thank you" to EVGA for providing this promotion in support of the Folding@Home cause.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/23 13:43:34
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i do not support keeping the requirements the same. simply because in under 10 days both a GTX 1060 or 970 can reach 3 million, not to mention a 1070 can do it in under 5 days. i do believe that the 960 should be able the marker for completing year 10 second tier challenge. that being said the 960 can do 5 million a month, 28 days, so 2.5 & 5 million are very reasonable numbers. even if you go and buy 1060 or 960 for ~$190 it will pay for itself in a year and a half, if they continue the program that is.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/23 13:52:07
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Chris21010 i do not support keeping the requirements the same. simply because in under 10 days both a GTX 1060 or 970 can reach 3 million, not to mention a 1070 can do it in under 5 days. i do believe that the 960 should be able the marker for completing year 10 second tier challenge. that being said the 960 can do 5 million a month, 28 days, so 2.5 & 5 million are very reasonable numbers. even if you go and buy 1060 or 960 for ~$190 it will pay for itself in a year and a half, if they continue the program that is.
No all users have newer cards and also with the Heat issues last year it may cause new users and old not to even Fold if they have to Fold twice as long. Users with only One GPU would have a hard time and I think would push users away.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/23 14:30:34
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the whole point of this event is to make those who fold be able to afford an upgrade. if you can not spend an additional $80, after redeeming $120, for a highly efficient and cool GTX 1060 to be able to reach the new goals, 2.5 & 5 million, in 13 days then when will you ever spend those EVGA Bucks? most could afford that if they simply stop buying coffee for two weeks. the point of these bucks isn't to be horded so you can get a XX80ti in a few years for free. its to take the primary hit of upgrading ones PC in order to buy the new hardware to keep up with the ever faster moving world of F@H.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/23 17:02:32
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The targets should not be determined by their current level, an upgrade cycle, or historic levels. Targets should be based on the folding output of the current generation of cards.
The top target has been loosely achievable by folding ~20 days or ~500 hours on the most current version of the (mid-range) GTX xx60. Given the dramatic increase in power of the GTX 10xx cards an upgrade to 3m/6m points per month is very reasonable. The goal is to provide the best incentive to maximize our folding output (and contribution to science) as a team. Keep in mind that by trying to be inclusive of every folder on older hardware also causes many more folders with newer hardware to drop our early after they have easily hit the target. I don't have enough data to calculate where production will be maximized, but know that it will require an increase to give the bucks folders a bit of a nudge.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/24 04:22:40
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As a follow up consider: - Over the past 10 years inflation has eroded the consumer's buying power such that $10 in 2006 is the equivalent of $12 today (bls.gov)
- Points targets should be determined by the power of the current generation of GPUs available and 6M a month is very reasonable with the current hardware
- Increasing the points targets will cause some with legacy hardware to either upgrade or walk away
- Not increasing the points targets will cause many with current hardware to stop folding each month sooner than they otherwise would
As a compromise, we could combine all these ideas in the (always suggested) 3rd tier: - 4 EVGA Bucks at 2M points
- 4+4=8 EVGA Bucks at 4M points
- 4+4+4=12 EVGA Bucks at 6M points
This will keep pace with inflation, not preclude legacy hardware (but impose a slight loss in points to them going from 10 to 8), and incentive those with current hardware to increase their output.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/24 04:41:45
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troy8d As a follow up consider:- Over the past 10 years inflation has eroded the consumer's buying power such that $10 in 2006 is the equivalent of $12 today (bls.gov)
- Points targets should be determined by the power of the current generation of GPUs available and 6M a month is very reasonable with the current hardware
- Increasing the points targets will cause some with legacy hardware to either upgrade or walk away
- Not increasing the points targets will cause many with current hardware to stop folding each month sooner than they otherwise would
As a compromise, we could combine all these ideas in the (always suggested) 3rd tier:- 4 EVGA Bucks at 2M points
- 4+4=8 EVGA Bucks at 4M points
- 4+4+4=12 EVGA Bucks at 6M points
This will keep pace with inflation, not preclude legacy hardware (but impose a slight loss in points to them going from 10 to 8), and incentive those with current hardware to increase their output.
I think a 3 stage would be a good thing for many folks. Personally, I quit living my systems running when I am out of town.
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Re: EVGA Folding Year X (10)
2017/01/24 04:53:39
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troy8d As a follow up consider:
- Over the past 10 years inflation has eroded the consumer's buying power such that $10 in 2006 is the equivalent of $12 today (bls.gov)
- Points targets should be determined by the power of the current generation of GPUs available and 6M a month is very reasonable with the current hardware
- Increasing the points targets will cause some with legacy hardware to either upgrade or walk away
- Not increasing the points targets will cause many with current hardware to stop folding each month sooner than they otherwise would
As a compromise, we could combine all these ideas in the (always suggested) 3rd tier:
- 4 EVGA Bucks at 2M points
- 4+4=8 EVGA Bucks at 4M points
- 4+4+4=12 EVGA Bucks at 6M points
This will keep pace with inflation, not preclude legacy hardware (but impose a slight loss in points to them going from 10 to 8), and incentive those with current hardware to increase their output.
I like the idea of a 4/4/4 system, don't really have a solid opinion yet on point levels, but have seen some good reasoning.
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