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People I need some help.
I decide to install Windows 10 to try on 850 EVO and I Installed and boot in Windows 10 normal.
But in BIOS under Boot device I see
Windows Boot Manager (P1 Samsung 850 EVO)
P1 Samsung 850 EVO
I only could boot if I choose option Windows Boot Manager and boot is VERY fast. But why is that?
I want to boot normal in P1 Samsung 850 EVO... That is not possible always back in BIOS.
What should I do?
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/11/28 17:53:42
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Did you Disable CSM in the Bios before you installed Windows 10? Turn Off Fast Boot in the Bios as well. I forgot what MB you have.
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/11/28 18:04:55
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I didn't disabled CSM...I thought but I leaved Enabled... Rampage V Extreme motherboard. Fast Boot is disabled I think... you mean Secure Boot?
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/11/28 18:17:17
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I didn't disabled CSM...I thought but I leaved Enabled... Rampage V Extreme motherboard.
Fast Boot is disabled I think... you mean Secure Boot?
CSM = Compatibility Support Module Page 3-49 in your Motherboard Manual. I had to turn this off on all my X79 and X99 Motherboards for Windows 10. It was on for Windows 7 and Legacy Mode for my Graphics Cards.
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/11/29 02:03:42
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Yes I know where is CSM I enable that because I installed Windows 7 in Legacy Mode.
I will need to reinstall Windows again?
What you think to Secure Erase with Samsung Magician or some other software.
If I Erase with Samsung Magician he will need to be formated because he back him on factory state and he is not recognized by Windows need to be format and I will need to boot in Windows 7. Now I remove all other devices except 850 EVO.
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/11/29 08:00:32
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People I need some help.
I decide to install Windows 10 to try on 850 EVO and I Installed and boot in Windows 10 normal.
But in BIOS under Boot device I see
Windows Boot Manager (P1 Samsung 850 EVO)
P1 Samsung 850 EVO
I only could boot if I choose option Windows Boot Manager and boot is VERY fast. But why is that?
I want to boot normal in P1 Samsung 850 EVO... That is not possible always back in BIOS.
What should I do?
?? Windows Boot Manager is what you need to boot from if you installed via UEFI. If that was intentional, then just leave it, and don't worry about the fact that the 850 EVO is also listed below it (it's still booting from the SSD even though it's listed as Windows Boot Manager). If you want to boot Win10 in legacy mode-- honestly not sure why you'd want to do that, or if that's even what you're asking-- you'll need to reinstall and choose the install media without UEFI in the name... the DVD or USB drive you need to use should be listed twice in the list since you can technically boot from either version.
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/11/29 08:07:52
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You want to say that is not possible to boot without Windows Boot Manager in UEFI Mode?
Why? No I want to boot in UEFI Windows 10 not Legacy. For Legacy should be create in Rufus MBR Partition for BIOS and UEFI.
I don't want that, I create in GPT Partition Scheme for UEFI. I had problems and some errors but I resolved that with cmd commands.
First I clean drive, create active partition and format in ntfs quick and than I convert to GPT and after that allow me to install Windows 10 UEFI.
I will ask and on Seven Forum just in case maybe someone know is it possible in UEFI to install normal without Windows Boot Manager.
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/11/29 08:30:13
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You want to say that is not possible to boot without Windows Boot Manager in UEFI Mode?
Why? No I want to boot in UEFI Windows 10 not Legacy. For Legacy should be create in Rufus MBR Partition for BIOS and UEFI.
I don't want that, I create in GPT Partition Scheme for UEFI. I had problems and some errors but I resolved that with cmd commands.
First I clean drive, create active partition and format in ntfs quick and than I convert to GPT and after that allow me to install Windows 10 UEFI.
I will ask and on Seven Forum just in case maybe someone know is it possible in UEFI to install normal without Windows Boot Manager.
I think you're just hung up on the Windows Boot Manager. Your best bet would probably be to ignore it. I honestly don't know why it works that way, but that's how it works when you install via UEFI. I personally think you're in for more of a headache than it's worth just trying to get around the way Windows labels your boot device now. Also, if you do a clean UEFI install on an empty drive or SSD, it will default to GPT. You shouldn't have to manually partition, format, and then convert the drive beforehand. I always just delete any existing partitions during the install and then recreate them (assuming I have my existing data backed up somewhere else). And I don't know why bcavnaugh had to disable CSM before installing Win10. I'm 99.9% sure it's still enabled on my board and it didn't cause any problems.
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/11/29 08:42:35
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And I installed with CSM Enabled but maybe he know way how to install and boot directly without Windows Boot Manager.
Maybe Secure Boot and CSM should be disabled and than to install....
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/11/29 10:30:32
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I am curious, though... why exactly are you trying to eliminate Windows Boot Manager as your default boot device? That's the way it's supposed to be when you install under UEFI, and I'm pretty sure you're just stressing out over nothing. But good luck with it, regardless. 
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/11/29 10:41:19
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Samsung Magician or Diskpart (Clean) if you are keeping it.
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/11/29 13:17:28
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I am curious, though... why exactly are you trying to eliminate Windows Boot Manager as your default boot device? That's the way it's supposed to be when you install under UEFI, and I'm pretty sure you're just stressing out over nothing.
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/11/29 13:34:56
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Windows Boot Manager is what you need to boot from anytime your system BIOs is set to UEFI.
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/11/29 19:06:02
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Windows Boot Manager is what you need to boot from anytime your system BIOs is set to UEFI.
In your configurations is same? You see Windows Boot Manager as well? You format SSD First or install Windows 10 on Unalocated Space when SSD is in factory state. Now at the moment my SSD is erased and factory settings and I think what to do... This things are very stupid. First I couldn't install Windows 10 because message "We couldn't create a new partition or locate existing one..." In that moment my SSD was empty but formatted, because If it's not formatted I can't use him in Windows. I resolve that with list disk > select disk> clean> create partition primary> active> format fs=ntfs quick> assign> exit Than I got new error, than I resolve that with diskpart> list disk> select disk> clean> convert GPT Than finally I install Windows 10 normal boot result was Windows Boot Manager. Mess, madness. I'm sorry because I tried to install that crap Windows 10 unfinished product. Lucky I have Windows 7 and than when I back to play games and later continue... Now is in factory settings, that mean visible only in Disk Management as Unallocated, I cleaned him with Samsung Magician. Now is question what to do and how to install on best way and to get rid of Windows Manager Boot if that's possible, if that's normal than... Some people recommend to Install in Legacy Mode and later to change on UEFI after Windows Installation. That's complicate as hell and maybe again he show up. What is in your computers??? Windows Boot Manager or not? Is it same with M.2???
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/11/30 06:45:31
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rjohnson11
Windows Boot Manager is what you need to boot from anytime your system BIOs is set to UEFI.
In your configurations is same? You see Windows Boot Manager as well?
You format SSD First or install Windows 10 on Unalocated Space when SSD is in factory state.
Now at the moment my SSD is erased and factory settings and I think what to do... This things are very stupid.
First I couldn't install Windows 10 because message "We couldn't create a new partition or locate existing one..."
In that moment my SSD was empty but formatted, because If it's not formatted I can't use him in Windows.
I resolve that with list disk > select disk> clean> create partition primary> active> format fs=ntfs quick> assign> exit
Than I got new error, than I resolve that with
diskpart> list disk> select disk> clean> convert GPT
Than finally I install Windows 10 normal boot result was Windows Boot Manager.
Mess, madness. I'm sorry because I tried to install that crap Windows 10 unfinished product.
Lucky I have Windows 7 and than when I back to play games and later continue...
Now is in factory settings, that mean visible only in Disk Management as Unallocated, I cleaned him with Samsung Magician.
Now is question what to do and how to install on best way and to get rid of Windows Manager Boot if that's possible, if that's normal than...
Some people recommend to Install in Legacy Mode and later to change on UEFI after Windows Installation. That's complicate as hell and maybe again he show up.
What is in your computers??? Windows Boot Manager or not?
Is it same with M.2???
Yes, Windows Boot Manager is the default boot device when you install Windows 7 (or above) on a PC with UEFI enabled. My Win10 machine boots with Windows Boot Manager as the default. My Win7 machine that I installed under UEFI also boots with Windows Boot Manager as the default. This is completely normal. There is nothing wrong, and that's what we keep telling you over and over again. You're only succeeding in making things more complicated than they need to be. As for installing Windows, you need to delete any existing partitions on the boot drive before trying to install. Win10 will create a total of four separate partitions when you install it, so you should not be trying to install it on a drive that is already formatted. Delete whatever partitions are there (you can do this from inside the Windows setup) and then try again. Windows will create the partitions that it needs from the unallocated space and format them during the install. That's it. It will also format the disk as GPT if you're installing via UEFI; there is no need to convert it from MBR. I can't comment on M.2 or NVMe (I don't use either since my Z97 doesn't seem to properly implement them like X99 or Z170). Someone else may be able chime in about those devices, but I can't see where they would act any differently.
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/11/30 10:24:17
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Mine is booting with the "Windows Boot Manager" also with UEFI.
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/11/30 13:59:17
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OK, I understand, I didn't know.
And other people ask on net for same thing, they are confused as well.
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/12/01 15:45:22
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Windows Boot Manager manages the UEFI, its installed onto the front and rear of the hard drive no MBR is present in UEFI. The Windows Bootmanager scans both UEFI bootloaders, and goes with the one at the front unless its hash is wrong then it goes to the backup at the back of the drive, without Windows bootmanager you'd loose the entire benefit of UEFI.
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/12/02 10:41:42
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Vlada011
OK, I understand, I didn't know.
And other people ask on net for same thing, they are confused as well.
Sorry if my last reply seemed to be a little rude. Didn't mean to be a jerk about it, if I came across that way. 
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/12/02 11:01:01
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One of the Bad Issues That Came Out Of The Windows 10 Forced Upgrades From Windows 7 Is Why Their Are So Many Problems Now.
99% Of The Forced Upgrade Have Bios Setting For Windows 7 or XP.
Now Look Where We Are.
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/12/03 02:45:47
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Vlada011
OK, I understand, I didn't know.
And other people ask on net for same thing, they are confused as well.
Sorry if my last reply seemed to be a little rude. Didn't mean to be a jerk about it, if I came across that way.
No, your post is not rude. Thanks for help I will install Windows 10 again tomorrow. What you recommend for Security Updates. I think to keep Internet Off before I install all drivers for motherboard, sound card, graphic card, etc... I only didn't know that's normal thing, same thing told me on Windows Ten Forum.
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/12/05 07:56:14
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Vlada011
OK, I understand, I didn't know.
And other people ask on net for same thing, they are confused as well.
Sorry if my last reply seemed to be a little rude. Didn't mean to be a jerk about it, if I came across that way.
No, your post is not rude.
Thanks for help I will install Windows 10 again tomorrow.
What you recommend for Security Updates.
I think to keep Internet Off before I install all drivers for motherboard, sound card, graphic card, etc...
I only didn't know that's normal thing, same thing told me on Windows Ten Forum.
I always install Windows offline, and install all of my drivers and critical software (antivirus, etc.) before I even think of plugging in that ethernet cable. That's just my own personal preference, though, and it's not nearly as convenient as just letting MS handle everything for me. But it's what I've always done, and I prefer to maintain at least some control over my own computer.  I also have Windows Update disabled (Win10 Pro) and go out of my way to keep it from updating my drivers without asking me, but I wouldn't recommend that approach to anyone else unless they're willing to make the effort to manually check for updates every few days or so. With Win10 Home, the best you can do is hope that MS doesn't screw up your install by forcefully updating your drivers for you.
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/12/05 11:06:39
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How you disable Updates on Windows 10. I hear it's not as Windows 7.
Through services.msc and than Windows Update Disabled?
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/12/05 11:08:08
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Vlada011
How you disable Updates on Windows 10. I hear it's not as Windows 7.
Through services.msc and than Windows Update Disabled?
You will find some threads under the Folding Section on how to do this.
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/12/05 12:27:12
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How you disable Updates on Windows 10. I hear it's not as Windows 7.
Through services.msc and than Windows Update Disabled?
You're right... it's not nearly as simple as it used to be. If you're on Win10 Pro, you can disable Windows Update with the Group Policy Editor (gpedit.msc), or set it to notify when downloads are available without automatically installing them. I personally disable it and use the Windows Update Show/Hide troubleshooter tool (wushowhide.diagcab) to see what's available before I actually check for updates, and "hide" the drivers that I don't want-- otherwise Windows Update will still download and install everything that's available when you check. There's also a group policy that lets you disable driver updates altogether, and it *seems* to work. This is a convoluted way of doing things, but it gets me closer to what I had with Win7 without breaking some of the core functionality of Win10. Disabling services oftentimes has other unintended consequences. If you do disable Windows Update, you have to make sure that you manually check for updates at least every couple of weeks, though. You can't just disable it and then never check.
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/12/05 15:36:52
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You can't just disable it and then never check.
I've never checked mine. Still running 1511 here.
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/12/05 23:26:03
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I see some not existing CD Drive... Probably Virtual. I don't know how that show up here at all and how to remove that...  This CD Drive (G:) make me angry. Device Manager and Disk Management don't see him. In properties mixed him with Corsair Force GT... He is now clean 120GB SSD. I'm not 100% sure but I think after I erased Force GT with RVE Eraser in BIOS that CD Drive gone, maybe I don't know. And when I back to give letter and format Force GT from Unallocated Space he probably back. HELP! Options In Properties - Driver to Disable are grey only Detail is visible. 
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/12/06 06:22:51
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You can't just disable it and then never check.
I've never checked mine. Still running 1511 here.
Let me rephrase that... you shouldn't just disable it and never check. You're obviously entitled to do what you want, but security-wise it can be dangerous (not to mention irresponsible) to keep an upatched copy of Windows online. MS has never shipped a bullet-proof operating system-- Windows has always been plagued by an assortment of security issues and other bugs. And since Win10 is essentially a beta product, at the very least you run the risk of missing out on much-needed fixes that get released later on down the line.
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/12/06 06:34:39
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I see some not existing CD Drive... Probably Virtual.
I don't know how that show up here at all and how to remove that...
This CD Drive (G:) make me angry. Device Manager and Disk Management don't see him.
In properties mixed him with Corsair Force GT... He is now clean 120GB SSD.
I'm not 100% sure but I think after I erased Force GT with RVE Eraser in BIOS that CD Drive gone, maybe I don't know.
And when I back to give letter and format Force GT from Unallocated Space he probably back.
HELP! Options In Properties - Driver to Disable are grey only Detail is visible.
Hmmm... not sure what you've done there. You shouldn't be seeing the System Reserved drive in that first screenshot, either. Is drive H:\ the USB DVD burner? Also, are you running any software that would create a virtual CD drive? If you right click the virtual drive, do you have the option to eject it?
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Re: Windows 10 UEFI Boot
2016/12/06 07:14:58
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Yes but I can't eject it. Message An error occured... Damn Virtual CD gone after I uninstall PowerISO... I need that software sometimes and before I didn't had that version. What is wrong with my first picture... System reserved was probably part of 120GB SSD with previous Windows installation and that gone too when I Erase him with RVE BIOS Eraser... Now you see...   Now I think everything is fine.
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