Fair enough and true. Man you must be a picky eater lol. Nah we all are picky eaters. For example with me I can't stand the taste of cucumbers , figs, egg plants, cantaloupe, zucchini, and squash. With tomatoes I can't eat it like a apple, I have to mix it in with other foods. But I am sure we can both agree that dead flesh you consume rotting in your intestines is a lot nastier tasting than some whole foods we both listed.

HAZMAN_THE_GREAT
Your basically right on the spot with everything except for lean meats. No such thing as lean meats. Nothing lean about meat with all the fat, saturated fat, trans fat, and cholesterol. Not to leave out all the hormones, additives/preservatives, antibiotics as well as other drugs the animals has consumed before slaughter. Also when you buy store meat, you are buying stressed meat from the slaughter houses of the meat, dairy, and egg industry. There is NOT a single benefit when eating meats except for one, which is keeping you full tell your next meal. No profound nutrients that help your body live longer that fight the 15 diseases listed above. This goes for any animal based product that is consumed. Just that the meat and dairy industries has spewed out advertisement and research propaganda which is linked up with the big pharmaceutical industries to make a profit off of people's misery of being nutritionally unhealthy.

I eat free range chicken.....some from my own farm, and fish I catch myself mostly. I only eat red meat maybe once a month and when I do it is ranch grazed hormone free beef.

Nothing wrong with lean meats.

I will say a meat heavy diet is not sustainable for this planet. It just isn't possible, or even a responsible use of resources to have diets that consume meat multiple times per day.

I've seen the gross shape chickens are in on the way to slaughter from some of these massive growers. No way would I eat those rotting yet somehow living zombie chickens.

candle_86
The reason we are unhealthy and overweight isn't because of our diet at all, its because we are sedentary lifestyle compared to even 50 years ago. People do less physical work than they used to. My grandfather was a rancher, he wait 3 fried eggs, half a lb of bacon and a ham steak for breakfast every morning, a few turkey or ham sandwiches for lunch and for dinner usually BBQ or a casserole with meat. He lived to be 89 and died from complications with skin cancer, which is caused by him being outdoors working hard every day of his life. Guess what no high cholesterol, no other bad side effects of his terrible diet. People used to eat this way normally, it's not bad for you as long as your actually moving around.
 
Heck at my job as a computer tech I eat a lot of meat, and drink Dr Pepper and sweet tea, and eat plenty of snacks. And guess what because i spend a lot of time moving equipment around, either on a dolly, cart or by hand and walk 10-12 miles a day just doing my normal job I've continued to loose weight and my last physical showed me in peak health. It's not about what you eat its about how much physical activity you do. 

Yes you are right about people having inactive life styles today compared to back then. I blame a lot of it towards technology and the conveniences of it. But anyways I disagree, it is about what you put in your mouth. Reason why people are mostly fat and ugly is because of what they eat. And just because nothing happened to your grandpa does not eliminate the fact that its about what you eat. So according to your saying nothing happen to him, OK well but the overwhelming scientific data and research shows that the majority of the population suffers from what they put in their mouths. Again its just him and one person does not define everyone else and just because nothing did not happen to him does not mean it will be the same fate for you. Also take a look at food 50 years ago. Back then food generally only had about 2-4 ingredients at max on the food labels. But in today's world thats not the case. There are over 20 different ingredients and preservatives in many of the process foods we all enjoy today in which almost all of them have no health benefits whatsoever to our bodies. That in itself is one of the MAJOR causes of why people are sick and unhealthy.
 
Now let me get this straight your saying that you walk 10-12 miles a day while being a computer tech? LOL I dont believe you. I think your over exaggerating on that. Maybe at most like 2 miles. Go ahead try 12 miles on the treadmill walking, I am sure that is going to get to you.  Dont tell me you did 10-12 miles because your fitbit or phone told you. If you dont know already those step counters are SOOOO inaccurate. Fitbit is getting sued anyways because how inaccurate the heart rate meter is. Those step counters on our fitbits, apple and samsung watches dont count our steps, they count our arm swings. My sister try to rub it in my face that she does a total of 7 miles at work a day because her fitbit says so. I told her " o yeah you do huh, then why are you still fat" lol.

candle_86

HAZMAN_THE_GREAT

candle_86
The reason we are unhealthy and overweight isn't because of our diet at all, its because we are sedentary lifestyle compared to even 50 years ago. People do less physical work than they used to. My grandfather was a rancher, he wait 3 fried eggs, half a lb of bacon and a ham steak for breakfast every morning, a few turkey or ham sandwiches for lunch and for dinner usually BBQ or a casserole with meat. He lived to be 89 and died from complications with skin cancer, which is caused by him being outdoors working hard every day of his life. Guess what no high cholesterol, no other bad side effects of his terrible diet. People used to eat this way normally, it's not bad for you as long as your actually moving around.
 
Heck at my job as a computer tech I eat a lot of meat, and drink Dr Pepper and sweet tea, and eat plenty of snacks. And guess what because i spend a lot of time moving equipment around, either on a dolly, cart or by hand and walk 10-12 miles a day just doing my normal job I've continued to loose weight and my last physical showed me in peak health. It's not about what you eat its about how much physical activity you do. 

Yes you are right about people having inactive life styles today compared to back then. I blame a lot of it towards technology and the conveniences of it. But anyways I disagree, it is about what you put in your mouth. Reason why people are mostly fat and ugly is because of what they eat. And just because nothing happened to your grandpa does not eliminate the fact that its about what you eat. So according to your saying nothing happen to him, OK well but the overwhelming scientific data and research shows that the majority of the population suffers from what they put in their mouths. Again its just him and one person does not define everyone else and just because nothing did not happen to him does not mean it will be the same fate for you. Also take a look at food 50 years ago. Back then food generally only had about 2-4 ingredients at max on the food labels. But in today's world thats not the case. There are over 20 different ingredients and preservatives in many of the process foods we all enjoy today in which almost all of them have no health benefits whatsoever to our bodies. That in itself is one of the MAJOR causes of why people are sick and unhealthy.
 
Now let me get this straight your saying that you walk 10-12 miles a day while being a computer tech? LOL I dont believe you. I think your over exaggerating on that. Maybe at most like 2 miles. Go ahead try 12 miles on the treadmill walking, I am sure that is going to get to you.  Dont tell me you did 10-12 miles because your fitbit or phone told you. If you dont know already those step counters are SOOOO inaccurate. Fitbit is getting sued anyways because how inaccurate the heart rate meter is. Those step counters on our fitbits, apple and samsung watches dont count our steps, they count our arm swings. My sister try to rub it in my face that she does a total of 7 miles at work a day because her fitbit says so. I told her " o yeah you do huh, then why are you still fat" lol.

no its a correlation between how far I have to walk to do certain tasks, I work for a university and criss cross it all day. As for your studies I can find 5 more that refute it. What I'm getting from you Hazman is your just some poor sucker who follows someone blindly because it makes you feel better about your narrow minded world view, and you want to try to shove it down everyone elses throat because it makes you feel better if you think other people are foolish enough to listen to one person and decide. I guess your welcome to an opion but I hate to tell you this as someone that works for a Medical university that has world renowned nutritionists working for it, this guy is full of crap, I showed your video to a few people today and every last one of them laughed at the nonsense being spewed from it. But if it makes you feel better to let someone else think for you be my guest.

Wow looks like some one is upset. I guess I hit your trigger. Well I know your a overweight person who refuse to except the truth because you dont want to admit to your horrible eating habits. Even you said on post 32 that you will continue to eat your cheetos and drink your Dr. Pepper which proves my point of your horrible eating habits. I get it habits are hard to change, but you cant change the truth. And you asked one of the stupidest questions of why some one would ever want to live to 110 years old in the same post. Like dude really are you serious? Why not live to 110? Despite your comment there I know you want to live long and you value your life. Because when you do actually get one of those 15 diseases, you will go on the prescribed medication your doctor will give you to prolong your life. Because once you lose your health you will have a appreciation for it and then understand how terrible death is.
 
Now I am not shoving anything down people. All I am doing on this thread is allowing people to know whats up and to do whatever they please with the info. You sound very narrow minded anyways yourself with your straw man fallacies as well as making up stories of what you do. Your narrow mindedness also shows how uneducated you are with a vegan diet. Its not just about eating vegetables all the freaking time. Plus being vegan is a lifestyle change. But its not just Dr. Micheal Gregor that has scientific data, there are many more doctors out there that have the info. What Micheal Gregor does is consolidate many of the proven researches for lazy people like you and I to look at on his non profit website. And go figure there are a lot of studies that refute whatever is argued about a whole foods plant based diet. But many of those studies that refute it are sponsored by your BIG pharmaceutical companies that make a profit from unhealthy people's dietary disease and misery with their horrible eating habits.

kaninja
Just stay away from too much sugar, eat whole foods instead of processed, and keep moving. That alone would probably solve 90% of obesity and diabetes.

stalinx20
Well, to make you all wrong, the human body was designed to eat vegetables and fruits (based on the way the stomach is made), not meats. It's not really designed for it, but we force ourselves to eat it anyway, because it's good right? Doesn't mean it's good for us. We were supposed to be vegetarians.

You too sir are right!!! We are meant to be herbivores because to go along with your stomach statement, herbivores intestines as well as humans are 7 to 13 times the length of our torso  but the length on REAL meat eaters while have intestines ranging 3 to 6 times the length of their torsos. Real meat eaters have shorter intestinal tracks so they can push through decaying and rotting animal flesh through their bodies as well as animal protein, cholesterol, saturated fat, trans fatty acids, which is why it is impossible I repeat IMPOSSIBLE for any genuine meat eater ever clog their arteries. I dont know about you but I never heard of a lion, shark, snake, alligator, and bear clog their arteries.  Whats the number one killer for humans today? Well of course its heart disease or any other vascular disease. Another thing too is humans and other herbivores sweat through their pours to cool themselves, while genuine meat eaters pant to cool themselves down. We also have no claws, which is a trademark for the carnivore or omnivore. We humans have carbohydrate enzymes in our saliva as well as every other herbivore. Humans teeth are broad, short, blunt, flat just like other herbivores. And I am sure we all know carnivores have sharp teeth to pierce the skin of their kill.  Humans lower jaws go from side to side in a grinding chewing motion. If you grind and chew when you eat, you are a herbivore. The jaws of carnivores and omnivores can only go up and down vertical rip and swallow. There is no chewing grinding side to side action with them. I can go on and on but I think people reading this get the point lol. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I agree with a lot of points being made here but where I live, people are fat because they eat white-trash food because it is cheaper. Buying boxes of Mac-and-cheese and frozen pizzas are far cheaper and easier to make than a healthy, lean meal.
 

kaninja
Humans are omnivores, but we can survive on a completely vegan diet WITH supplementation.

Saying we are herbivores is really disingenuous, cherry picking facts to support an ideology, and counterproductive to any rational discussion.

How is that cherry picking facts? The facts are the facts even you say so they are facts. It is true we are not born as meat eaters. I want you to do this experiment: take a 2-3 year old child and put them in a crib, after that place a apple and a rabbit in the crib next to it. I can guarantee you 100% of the time the child would eat the apple and play with the rabbit. Basically what I am getting at here is we do not even have instinct as well to eat meat let alone the body design to eat it. Heck I bet no member on the EVGA forum cant even hunt a rabbit like a true meat eater by NOT using any man made tools but only using one's own body to pounce and kill down a rabbit. 
 
 

So limit our hunting ability by not doing what we do? We have been fasioning tools and implements for hunting for thousands of years.

Hazman, the best experiment would be to go in a time machine and travel back in time a few thousand years.....then survive. When winter hits and your stores of nuts, berries, and fruts are either consumed or rotted away what will you turn to? You will fasion spears, snares, traps and even grab pointy rocks so you can hunt and live.

We can wax poetic about the virtues and wholesomness of a vegetarian lifestyle all you want. When it comes right down to it the only reason we can live on a vegan diet today is because of the convenience of this modern age.

We were designed with the ability to easily digest meat. We easly process vitamin B12 from animal products and have limited sources of it from anywhere else. We also easily process iron from red meat, whereas our bodies have a hard time with iron from plant sources.

Perspective is always important and when getting caught up in a cause more often than not perspective is the first casualty.

Well according to a brand new report that was just released by the Trust for America’s Health, at least one out of every five people meet the clinical definition for obesity in all 50 states.  But of course in some states things are far worse than that.  More than 35 percent of all adults are obese in four states, and the obesity rate is between 30 and 35 percent in 21 other states.  And it is important to keep in mind that just needing to lose weight does not mean that you are obese.  According to the CDC, you have got to have a body mass index of at least 30.0 to meet the clinical definition for obesity. The crazy thing too is that 70 percent of all Americans are overweight at this point. Now thats truly embarrassing!  The Trust for America's Health  report also noted that it has been estimated that our obesity epidemic costs the United States somewhere between 147 billion dollars and 210 billion dollars every single year. I want to include also is that Americans spend 100 billion dollars on cancer drugs alone in which all of this correlates to one another with dietary issues that America has.  The only thing you can take out of the 100 billion spent on cancer drugs is those individuals who were diagnosed with cancer from smoking because of course smoking has nothing to do with dietary issues. You can also add any environmental cancer issues but that too is VERY slim compared to those dying from heart disease, colon cancer, breast cancer, Parkinson disease and ect..

A friend of mine is a vegan, he makes the best food.

Nope. Just eat whole foods and stay away from added sugar. Problem solved.

Whole unprocesed animal products are fine as long as you eat moderately. Just like you woudn't eat 10 oranges in one sitting you shouldn't be eating a 16oz steak and a pound of mashed potatoes with a pint of gravy.

Not too long ago the CDC came out with more "fun" info. So the average waist size for a male is 39.7 inches while for a female it is a 37.7 inches. Now these are for both men and women who are 20 years and older. I guess everyone is certainly sure getting into shape. But into a shape of a circle.   Being fat is the new norm for sure.  I want to put in is that several studies have found that your waist size can actually predict your risk for heart disease, stroke, diabetes, disability, cancer and higher mortality rate overall. Basically its said for every 5 inches that your waist size exceeds the ideal target size for your gender, height and age, your risk for dying from any causes listed above increases at least 20% to 40%. Then of course you can include any other health problems you already have as well as any family history and individual lifestyle bad habbits to add to the increased mortality factor of the 20% to 40%
 
 
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/body-measurements.htm 
 
Also this chart shows that the average women today weighs as much as the average man back in the 1960s.

 
This one is just an add on bonus.
 

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/10/06/worlds-oldest-woman-116-eats-bacon-everyday/73444660/
 
 
I would also like to point out in 1960 women didn't squat or wear yoga pants.