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2016/08/20 17:52:27 (permalink)
i'm not sure what's going on, but my GPU seems to be running alot hotter after my system automatically updated the Windows version and after driver 372.54.
 
it's idling like 4-6 degrees hotter and my GPU used to rarely went over 34*c-35*c while i was playing League of Legends. i see it hitting around 38*c-39*c now when i'm in an LoL game.
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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/20 18:14:54 (permalink)
    Maybe since it doesn't concern EVGA you should have posted it on the nVidia or ASUS forums or even here. But for what it's worth my temps are up ~3C with this driver from the previous version.
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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/21 02:46:29 (permalink)
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    Maybe since it doesn't concern EVGA you should have posted it on the nVidia or ASUS forums or even here. But for what it's worth my temps are up ~3C with this driver from the previous version.


    isn't this supposed to be a community of PC enthusiasts...?
     
    last time i checked, everyone uses Nvidia drivers for their Nvidia GPU's. regardless of what brand it is .......

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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/21 04:48:41 (permalink)
     


    isn't this supposed to be a community of PC enthusiasts...?
     
    last time i checked, everyone uses Nvidia drivers for their Nvidia GPU's. regardless of what brand it is .......


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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/21 05:06:24 (permalink)
    Mine are running the same temps with the 372.54 drivers.
     
     
     
     

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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/21 06:14:22 (permalink)
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    Mine are running the same temps with the 372.54 drivers.

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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/21 06:21:12 (permalink)
    No issues here as well, the card is really cool, both when used (I don't often see it hit 60C and idle. 30C , did you adjust the fan curve? might be a good idea to double check that.
     
    edit, what are you using too monitor the temp with?
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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/21 07:00:29 (permalink)
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    i'm not sure what's going on, but my GPU seems to be running alot hotter after my system automatically updated the Windows version and after driver 372.54.
     
    it's idling like 4-6 degrees hotter and my GPU used to rarely went over 34*c-35*c while i was playing League of Legends. i see it hitting around 38*c-39*c now when i'm in an LoL game.


    If it helps at all, 38-39c is very cool. You should not see any throttling at all until about 50c and it will be very small increments from 50c upward. The max temp for the GTX 1080 is 94c for safe operation so I would not worry.

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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/21 08:33:58 (permalink)
    Also be aware that dust accumulaton, ambient temperatures, and internal case heat from other components (such as the CPU and RAM) affect GPU temps. You'd be surprised what a couple of degrees difference in ambient temps can do - and just because your house thermostat reads the same temperature doesn't mean that your computer room isn't a bit warmer.
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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/21 15:41:47 (permalink)
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     If it helps at all, 38-39c is very cool. You should not see any throttling at all until about 50c and it will be very small increments from 50c upward. The max temp for the GTX 1080 is 94c for safe operation so I would not worry.

    it's just weird because nothing has changed except the Windows 10 update and new driver. i woke up one day to my computer automatically updating the Windows 10 version, so i decided to update the Nvidia driver as well. i instantly felt a weird, kind of, judder in League of Legends that did not use to be there.
     
    i made sure the GPU was running at 'Prefer Max Performance'.
     
    my GPU used to sleep in the mid to high 20's. it's sitting at 37*c right now while i'm typing this and have my League of Legends client open. before the updates, i could be watching Youtube, have the LoL client open, and browsing the internet and temps would be hovering around the 31*c. my case fans seem to be running at the same speeds as before according to CPUID. this is a real head scratcher.
    arestavo
    Also be aware that dust accumulaton, ambient temperatures, and internal case heat from other components (such as the CPU and RAM) affect GPU temps. You'd be surprised what a couple of degrees difference in ambient temps can do - and just because your house thermostat reads the same temperature doesn't mean that your computer room isn't a bit warmer.

    the system is only a few months old and ambient temps have been the same. i always have my house @ 75*f or colder.
     
    there shouldn't be any additional heat from components because my CPU is liquid cooled by a Kraken x61.
     
    i'm using CPUID, the CAM software, and MSI Afterburner to keep an eye on temps.

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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/21 15:48:40 (permalink)
    3D clocks are always full 3D in games now when used to clock down to like 1000 or 1400 based on utilization, never did this before, especially on desktop when just browing the web it should stay 139 mhz all the time but it does not, for games i'm not sure and its probably to fix latency because the clock changes add lot dpc latency probably.

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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/21 15:49:15 (permalink)
    "and just because your house thermostat reads the same temperature doesn't mean that your computer room isn't a bit warmer."
     
     
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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/27 20:18:00 (permalink)
    I been having issues with these drivers, I'm running 1070 FTW and These drivers are making my card idol at 60c! Also giving me very poor performance, with fallout 4! went from 90+fps  to 50-60fps
    I reverted back to 368.39, My temp are back to normal Idol is at 26c to 30c Much better than 60 and Better performance! IDK (Deleted for Foul Language) Nvidia been doing with there drivers.
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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/28 00:47:18 (permalink)
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    I been having issues with these drivers, I'm running 1070 FTW and These drivers are making my card idol at 60c! Also giving me very poor performance, with fallout 4! went from 90+fps  to 50-60fps
    I reverted back to 368.39, My temp are back to normal Idol is at 26c to 30c Much better than 60 and Better performance! IDK (Deleted for Foul Language) Nvidia been doing with there drivers.


    yeah, we're not the only ones effected by these new drivers. i'm going to give it another week, or so, to see if there's a new driver/fix.


    if not, then i'm reverting back as well.

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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/28 04:50:00 (permalink)
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    i'm using CPUID, the CAM software, and MSI Afterburner to keep an eye on temps.


    A little OT, but speaking of the CAM software, I use it to set up the lighting config of my Hue+ system, but once I have the lights the way I want, I close it and never leave it running because CAM is always using CPU and wont let it fully idle. Do you see this as well when its running?

     
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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/28 06:45:07 (permalink)
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     If it helps at all, 38-39c is very cool. You should not see any throttling at all until about 50c and it will be very small increments from 50c upward. The max temp for the GTX 1080 is 94c for safe operation so I would not worry.

    it's just weird because nothing has changed except the Windows 10 update and new driver. i woke up one day to my computer automatically updating the Windows 10 version, so i decided to update the Nvidia driver as well. i instantly felt a weird, kind of, judder in League of Legends that did not use to be there.
     
    i made sure the GPU was running at 'Prefer Max Performance'.
     
    my GPU used to sleep in the mid to high 20's. it's sitting at 37*c right now while i'm typing this and have my League of Legends client open. before the updates, i could be watching Youtube, have the LoL client open, and browsing the internet and temps would be hovering around the 31*c. my case fans seem to be running at the same speeds as before according to CPUID. this is a real head scratcher.
    arestavo
    Also be aware that dust accumulaton, ambient temperatures, and internal case heat from other components (such as the CPU and RAM) affect GPU temps. You'd be surprised what a couple of degrees difference in ambient temps can do - and just because your house thermostat reads the same temperature doesn't mean that your computer room isn't a bit warmer.

    the system is only a few months old and ambient temps have been the same. i always have my house @ 75*f or colder.
     
    there shouldn't be any additional heat from components because my CPU is liquid cooled by a Kraken x61.
     
    i'm using CPUID, the CAM software, and MSI Afterburner to keep an eye on temps.


    If you have "Prefer Max Perf." set globally in the NVCPL, that's your high idle temp issue.  If you want to use that setting, set it in each specific game profile that you want it used in.


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/28 20:02:41 (permalink)
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    A little OT, but speaking of the CAM software, I use it to set up the lighting config of my Hue+ system, but once I have the lights the way I want, I close it and never leave it running because CAM is always using CPU and wont let it fully idle. Do you see this as well when its running?

    i have CAM running in the background and it uses around 2% of the CPU according to the task manager.
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    If you have "Prefer Max Perf." set globally in the NVCPL, that's your high idle temp issue.  If you want to use that setting, set it in each specific game profile that you want it used in.

    that's not the issue. i've always had it on that setting before my Win10 updated itself and the new Nvidia driver. the GPU is basically doing everything around 6-7 degrees hotter for some reason. my fans are running at their usual speeds, my softwares have my components running at the same speeds, and the only thing that is different is the Win10 update and the new GPU driver.


     

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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/29 06:29:24 (permalink)
    Try setting the Power Management Mode to "Adaptive" in the global settings and see what happens.  If you have any 3D application running (even in the background), that will cause the GPU clocks speed to run at the base clock or higher causing higher temps.
     
    Since you're running with Prefer max Perf globally, check to see if anything is running in the background forcing a higher (if it is) than idle clock speed.


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/29 07:58:08 (permalink)
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    A little OT, but speaking of the CAM software, I use it to set up the lighting config of my Hue+ system, but once I have the lights the way I want, I close it and never leave it running because CAM is always using CPU and wont let it fully idle. Do you see this as well when its running?

    i have CAM running in the background and it uses around 2% of the CPU according to the task manager.
    bdary
     
    If you have "Prefer Max Perf." set globally in the NVCPL, that's your high idle temp issue.  If you want to use that setting, set it in each specific game profile that you want it used in.

    that's not the issue. i've always had it on that setting before my Win10 updated itself and the new Nvidia driver. the GPU is basically doing everything around 6-7 degrees hotter for some reason. my fans are running at their usual speeds, my softwares have my components running at the same speeds, and the only thing that is different is the Win10 update and the new GPU driver.


    Just because you have "always had it on" Prefer Max Performance doesn't mean that prefer max performance behaves the same now as it used to. It is very plausible that NVIDIA tweaked the driver to now try to work even harder at lower utilization levels.

    You SHOULD see differences in how your video card behaves between different driver versions. Changes in the drivers are EXPECTED to make the video card behave differently. I don't understand how a few degrees is a concern nor how this is considered a surprise.
    post edited by ty_ger07 - 2016/08/29 10:13:34

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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/29 14:34:23 (permalink)
    trust me, i've already played around with the different settings before making this thread.
     
    my GPU is doing everything it used to at around 6*c - 7*c hotter. that's a pretty big jump for an updated driver. i wouldn't have cared, or made a thread, if it was just a couple of degrees. i also noticed that alot of other people were having the same issue as me so i made a thread to see if anybody knew what the issue really was.

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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/29 15:22:28 (permalink)
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    trust me, i've already played around with the different settings before making this thread.
     
    my GPU is doing everything it used to at around 6*c - 7*c hotter. that's a pretty big jump for an updated driver. i wouldn't have cared, or made a thread, if it was just a couple of degrees. i also noticed that alot of other people were having the same issue as me so i made a thread to see if anybody knew what the issue really was.


    In the NVIDIA Control Panel, in the "Manage 3D settings" section, under the "Global Settings" tab, have you changed the "Power management mode" from "Prefer Maximum Performance" to "Adaptive"?
     
    JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!
     
    You keep saying that "it has always been `Prefer Maximum Performance`" and "nothing changed"  and "blah blah blah".  But NO it hasn't always been the same.  You have a DIFFERENT DRIVER installed and therefore is NOT THE SAME.  Change the power management mode from Prefer Maximum Performance to Adaptive and then tell us what differences you may notice.
     
    Don't argue.  Just do it.  Thank you!
     
    Now since that is out of the way, if you want to make any serious progress regarding answering your question, you will need to perform the following test:
    Go back to the old driver. What is the "idle" GPU load percentage, core clock, memory clock, core voltage, and core temperature?
    Go to the newer driver. What is the "idle" GPU load percentage, core clock, memory clock, core voltage, and core temperature?
    I am sure that the answer will be staring you in the face once you collect the data.
    post edited by ty_ger07 - 2016/08/29 15:32:42

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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/29 15:29:50 (permalink)
    372. driver is smoother in games, but I noticed much worse benchmark scores vs. .39 

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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/29 18:16:58 (permalink)
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    trust me, i've already played around with the different settings before making this thread.
     
    my GPU is doing everything it used to at around 6*c - 7*c hotter. that's a pretty big jump for an updated driver. i wouldn't have cared, or made a thread, if it was just a couple of degrees. i also noticed that alot of other people were having the same issue as me so i made a thread to see if anybody knew what the issue really was.


    In the NVIDIA Control Panel, in the "Manage 3D settings" section, under the "Global Settings" tab, have you changed the "Power management mode" from "Prefer Maximum Performance" to "Adaptive"?
     
    JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!!!
     
    You keep saying that "it has always been `Prefer Maximum Performance`" and "nothing changed"  and "blah blah blah".  But NO it hasn't always been the same.  You have a DIFFERENT DRIVER installed and therefore is NOT THE SAME.  Change the power management mode from Prefer Maximum Performance to Adaptive and then tell us what differences you may notice.
     
    Don't argue.  Just do it.  Thank you!
     
    Also, what are your core and memory clocks when idle now with this driver compared to the last driver?


    how many times do i have to say i already tried that? i'm not a noob...
     
    i haven't been gaming as much these last couple of weeks, besides League of Legends, so my global power setting is actually on Adaptive right now because that game does not require alot of GPU power. i do clean driver installs everytime using DDU and go back and reset all of my preferred settings afterwards. same routine i've been using for many, many moons.
     
    right now, i have this browser open, Spotify playing music while minimized, and the League of Legends client open. MSI Afterburner, CAM, and CPUID is always running in the background. my GPU is running at it's usual 291MHz while doing these small tasks and it's about 2*c hotter than usual. my GPU used to never go higher than around 34* to 36*c during League of Legends and it's staying at around 39*c now.

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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/29 18:19:08 (permalink)
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    "how many times do i have to say i already tried that? i'm not a noob..."


    Forum Members are only trying to help you out.
    Being that you have a Asus GTX 1080 RoG Strix OC and not an EVGA GTX 1080 then maybe you should be asking them this question as well as here. We all know you will get much better support on the EVGA Forum then the ASUS Forum.
    38*c-39*c is really low BTW. Each New Driver optimizes so that is all it really is.
    Now if you said 88*c-99*c then you may want to go back the to the Previous Driver Version that worked best for you.
    Overtime your temperatures will increase as well so it to could be this or just a fresh install of drivers.
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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/29 18:30:19 (permalink)
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    "how many times do i have to say i already tried that? i'm not a noob..."


    Forum Members are only trying to help you out.
    Being that you have a Asus GTX 1080 RoG Strix OC and not an EVGA GTX 1080 then maybe you should be asking them this question as well as here. We all know you will get much better support on the EVGA Forum then the ASUS Forum.


    and that's why i have continued to answer all of their questions. it's not that big of a deal to me because my temps are still lower than what most people, and reviews, are getting. i only made the thread because i noticed others having the same issue and was trying to help everyone out.
     
    GPU load % and clocks are all the same as when i was on the older drivers. i don't pay attention to voltage much, so i can't give a 100% for sure answer. i just know i never mess with the voltage though. the only difference is the higher temps and i'm not the only one experiencing this issue. 

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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/29 21:28:47 (permalink)
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    how many times do i have to say i already tried that? i'm not a noob...



    ... You did not say one single time that you already tried that.  All you said is that it was currently set to prefer max performance and that it was set to prefer max performance with the previous driver.  And you said that nothing changed and that you tried fiddling around with "settings".  Not once did you specifically answer the question directly which is why a few of us kept asking over and over again.
     

    i made sure the GPU was running at 'Prefer Max Performance'.


    that's not the issue. i've always had it on that setting before my Win10 updated itself and the new Nvidia driver. the GPU is basically doing everything around 6-7 degrees hotter for some reason. my fans are running at their usual speeds, my softwares have my components running at the same speeds, and the only thing that is different is the Win10 update and the new GPU driver.

    ambiguously skirting around the question and only answering with "settings" (which could mean almost anything):

    trust me, i've already played around with the different settings before making this thread.


    how many times do i have to say i already tried that?

    Oh!  There it finally is; as if you had been saying that all along.
     
     
     
    Anyway...
     
    Like I said, if you really think that something is not quite right, you need to go back to your old driver, document every parameter like I listed above, go to the new driver, document every parameter like I listed above, and look at the differences.
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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/29 21:40:53 (permalink)
    "trust me, i've already played around with the different settings before making this thread." - post #20
     
    sorry, i guess that's my bad for assuming u guys knew that i was not a complete noob when it comes to computers. i thought it was implied from the infomation and the numerous monitoring programs that i mentioned using.
     
    again, i will give it another week or so to see if there will be a new driver/fix. if not, i will try reverting back to the last driver. i read about others having this same rise in temps so i just wanted to create a thread to centralize all the info. it's not a huge issue for me since my temps are pretty low compared to the norm, but i know 6*c - 8*c for some guys would definitely push things into the "uncomfortable" threshold.

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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/29 21:43:43 (permalink)
     
    Moving to General Hardware. (Non-Evga GPU)

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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/29 21:46:41 (permalink)
    this has nothing to do with brand of GPU's ... every brand's 10xx-series uses Nvidia drivers...

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    Re: higher temps with Driver 372.54??? 2016/08/29 21:51:36 (permalink)
     
    Sorry, but only Evga products go into those sections. Everything else would go into General Hardware. Been like this for many years.
     
     
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