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2016/07/29 01:13:29 (permalink)
While it maybe trick question, I have to ask if anyone tried or know for sure. I have spare Classy. To keep cost down I want to use 5820K. I know standard PCI-e lane layout. My question: can lanes be assigned differently when VGA is not in the first slot?
 
Plan is:
 
1st slot - 750 AIC - x4
2nd slot - GTX690 - x8
3rd slot - not active
4th slot - unused - later maybe with expander - x4 but it only draws power and is not initialized by board but by controller outside UEFI boundaries.
5th slot Gen.2 - unused
6th slot - Raid controller - x8?
 
Any of EVGA Tech Gurus can solve my little puzzle. Guessing it won't work that way, but have to ask anyway.
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    Re: 5820K on Classy PCIe - Lanes 2016/07/29 05:49:25 (permalink)
    The X16 slots run at X16 or X8 if enough slots are populated.

    I didn't see any way around that in my BIOS or in the manual. X99 Classified with a 5820K using all 28 lanes here.
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    Re: 5820K on Classy PCIe - Lanes 2016/07/29 08:39:24 (permalink)
    Read the Manuals and re-review Page 9 in Part 1
    More of an issue if you use the M.2 Ports and only a 28 Lane CPU.
    X99 Chipset Motherboards                

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    Re: 5820K on Classy PCIe - Lanes 2016/07/29 08:57:48 (permalink)
    Yeah but last slot is still X8 electrically by design. If lanes are not assigned on slots above it's super lame that CPU cannot assign them accordingly. Oh well...
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    Re: 5820K on Classy PCIe - Lanes 2016/07/29 09:01:40 (permalink)
    ypsylon
     My question: can lanes be assigned differently when VGA is not in the first slot?
     
    Plan is:
     
    1st slot - 750 AIC - x4
    2nd slot - GTX690 - x8
    3rd slot - not active
    4th slot - unused - later maybe with expander - x4 but it only draws power and is not initialized by board but by controller outside UEFI boundaries.
    5th slot Gen.2 - unused
    6th slot - Raid controller - x8?
     
    Any of EVGA Tech Gurus can solve my little puzzle. Guessing it won't work that way, but have to ask anyway.




    the 6th slot seems to be a No Go at any speed other than 4X
     
    Why not switch parts in slot 1 & 6 ?
     
    ChecK out ---Top Left corner (PCI Express 2X16 & 1X8)has note in -- lower left corner --- 3 slots available need additional logic onboard to support more slots ........
    http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/performance-chipsets/x99-chipset.html
     

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    Re: 5820K on Classy PCIe - Lanes 2016/07/30 00:36:33 (permalink)
    Because with Bitspower block it's mega-super-duper-borderline impossible to unhook the VGA from first slot. And with slot 3 inactive its as good place as 1st for VGA. Problem with RAID card is that it's liquid cooled. I won't be able to fit it in 2 slot space. Only few mm short, but still short. Grrrr
     
    From technical standpoint it should work. It all depends how board is programmed. I know that for example some MSI disable one of last slots instead middle ones. So its basically board layout. Problem is people obsession with X16 requirement for gaming VGAs. And Intel plays into it. That's why first always is 16/8. And it's totally lame when you use only 12 out of 16 lanes on two switchable slots that 4 lanes lying around, doing nothing, probably smoking Cuban cigars on the beach. LOL
     
    OK, I expected that. It's only theoretical side project. Trying to utilize hateful Asus Rampage 3 Formula for this. Unfortunately with everything nearly completed - ready to install system on brand new SSDs, my 71605 decided to take a dump and it crapped out (worked perfectly last week when removed old data). Sometimes I really want to hurt myself... Waiting now for new card (8805), and just was toying with idea of using new X99 board instead really old spiteful rubbish. One of the most hateful features of mentioned R3F is that if you just unplug power (no system so you can't shutdown anything in controlled fashion) it always resets the BIOS to defaults - how retarded is that? Second "feature" is that OC won't work if you have any power saving options activated - to quote Sheila Broflovski - What! What! WHAT! It's dumbest board I ever came across. But I got it brand new and very cheap to replace EVGA SLI3 when no other X58 boards were available.
     
    There was one guy on eBay who was selling X58 Classy 3 but he added so much useless junk to it that I decided against purchase. I still have half-dead (I/O ports are shot by thunderstorm, but all slots working) X58 SLI3. It was without a question most stable board I ever owned.
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    Re: 5820K on Classy PCIe - Lanes 2016/07/30 08:30:31 (permalink)
    If you have any family, friends or co-workers in the metro-Denver, CO area
     
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    Re: 5820K on Classy PCIe - Lanes 2016/07/30 10:18:03 (permalink)
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    Re: 5820K on Classy PCIe - Lanes 2016/07/31 03:00:42 (permalink)
    Thanks guys but I'm literally 8300 km (5150 miles) from that location. :D 
     
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    Re: 5820K on Classy PCIe - Lanes 2016/07/31 05:12:45 (permalink)
    i7-6850K is to expensive but it's great processor.
    I'm little sad because can't afford him or i7-6800K but we will see in future.
    They could extend life time of my platform. 
    i7-6850K have 4.0GHz Turbo Clock, NICE. Like they made him for me.
    Only no one would keep on 4.0GHz, 1200-1250V and 4.4GHz is better. 
    Than that's serious speed, improvements in single threaded applications are same as i7-5820K/I7-5930K on 4.7GHz.
    With him no any more doubt what is better X99 or Z170.
    4500MHz would be ideal, but probably only some of them will capable to work like that. That's 900MHz over stock speed.
    Even 4.4GHz some of them will need more voltage and great coolers.
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    Re: 5820K on Classy PCIe - Lanes 2016/07/31 05:28:18 (permalink)
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    OK, I expected that. It's only theoretical side project. Trying to utilize hateful Asus Rampage 3 Formula for this. Unfortunately with everything nearly completed - ready to install system on brand new SSDs, my 71605 decided to take a dump and it crapped out (worked perfectly last week when removed old data). Sometimes I really want to hurt myself... Waiting now for new card (8805), and just was toying with idea of using new X99 board instead really old spiteful rubbish. One of the most hateful features of mentioned R3F is that if you just unplug power (no system so you can't shutdown anything in controlled fashion) it always resets the BIOS to defaults - how retarded is that? Second "feature" is that OC won't work if you have any power saving options activated - to quote Sheila Broflovski - What! What! WHAT! It's dumbest board I ever came across. But I got it brand new and very cheap to replace EVGA SLI3 when no other X58 boards were available.
     
    There was one guy on eBay who was selling X58 Classy 3 but he added so much useless junk to it that I decided against purchase. I still have half-dead (I/O ports are shot by thunderstorm, but all slots working) X58 SLI3. It was without a question most stable board I ever owned.




    Most stable board and best for overclocking for me was Z77 FTW, I would sign always before shopping and upgrade if someone could give me warranty that board and CPU will work like that. Nothing more, I don't care for memory, USB, SATA... Only CPU Core and CPU Core Voltage, nothing else. And processor was nice and she survived such torture Prime95, LinX and OCCT stress test before stability. 4.5GHz for 3770K was like stock stock clock, he didn't felt nothing with 1200V. 3.5 years I didn't drop processor on adaptive voltage or lower clock, 3.5 Years 100% power. But because he worked stable on 4.8GHz and on that clock pass all stress test and I kept him on 4.5GHz I didn't allow degradation and now need same voltage as first day.
    On such speed he worked as i7-4790K on stock speed. It's bad because EVGA didn't launched X99 FTW-K on start, because price and everything what offer I would think about that board. I could love some ultra expensive boards, but it's different when you need to pay 600$, in my country most expensive boards cost 640-650 euro for X99. Godlike, RVE USB 3.1 cost 120 euro more than normal. When you pay so much you can't enjoy even if everything work perfectly when you payed two high end boards for one. For me is 400 euro top for board and only for extreme.
    For normal platform 250-350 euro. And 99% premium expensive boards have terrible customer experience on Newegg.
    Today with motherboards is really risk. Nothing is any more warranty for quality special not price and class.
    With Z77 platform I felt literary if I change board that I will not reach that speed any more. That's probably not true because stress was really intensive but I had such experience. OK my CPU was not Golden Sample but he was among 20-30% better models with 70-80% samples with lower quality but I had such experience that if I change something he will not reach that speed even if I could bet that no one tested Haswell or later processors with such strong intensive tests.
     
    Best feeling is when you find board for 250-300e for new platform,
    as I found CPU for 270-280 not 420 euro and she work as double more expensive boards.
    But I think soon motherboards will be more and more expensive, Z170 platform prove that and I think that will continue, special if Intel launch 6 Core CPU for mainstream, Coffee Lake... With Z170 premium boards price jump for 100$, lower class not so much but for 30-40$.
     
     
    post edited by Vlada011 - 2016/07/31 05:45:10

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