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How safe is a public trail passing behind a shooting range?

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2016/07/25 19:04:27 (permalink)
There is a popular trail in my area.  It is so popular that 55 miles of the trail is paved.  It is for walking and biking only.
 
One section of the trail passes directly behind a police shooting range.  I have found numerous bullets laying on the trail.  I am very surprised that they would not put more distance or more dirt between the trail and the shooting range.
 
The bullets I find are laying on the trail and are quite mangled.  Once you look at my measurements and calculations below, you will see that the bullets would have to have hit quite a bit of matter and become quite mangled to be slowed down enough to land on the trail.
 

 

 
But what about the bullets which I have never found which are off in the weeds on the other side of the trail?  Any bullets which had enough velocity to fly over the trail must have hit less matter, be slowed down less, be less mangled, and had to have flown at that higher velocity.  Below, I did the calculations for speeds of bullets landing on the trail versus passing 6 feet over the trail.  I had to assume that the bullets had no upwards or downwards momentum (not shot down on the trail from an officer above and not deflected downwards either) and that the reason for the bullet falling was purely due to speed of the bullet versus speed of gravity which occurred due to lost speed when passing through an object at the ridge of the mound.  The severity of the numbers would be much worse if taking into account the possibility of deflection.
 
By my calculations, a bullet landing at your feet could be traveling as slow as 71 feet per second versus a bullet flying by your head which could be traveling as fast as 182 feet per second.  Again, this is assuming that the path of the bullet is purely due to velocity versus gravity with no care given to the possibility of vertical momentum caused by aim or deflection.  A bullet could whiz by your head at a much higher speed if it was deflected downwards towards you.
 

 
What do you think?  It kind of freaks me out every time I walk by.  It seems that the dirt mound could have at least been made more than 8 feet tall.
post edited by ty_ger07 - 2016/07/25 19:48:58

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    Re: How safe is a public trail passing behind a shooting range? 2016/07/25 19:21:29 (permalink)
    I would send my city council member an email about this if i was you. I would say it's time to build a bigger dirt berm, move the trail 30 yards away if possible or find a new location for police shooting range.
     
     
     
     
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    Re: How safe is a public trail passing behind a shooting range? 2016/07/25 22:40:58 (permalink)
     
    Yeah if you're finding bullet fragments, I'd notify the council.. no big deal to reinforce the berm a bit higher and thicker.
     


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    Re: How safe is a public trail passing behind a shooting range? 2016/07/26 04:17:28 (permalink)
    What MSim and Nereus said...bring it up with the council. It is a safety concern..
     

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    Re: How safe is a public trail passing behind a shooting range? 2016/07/26 04:25:36 (permalink)
    Thanks for the responses guys! I didn't know if it was really an issue or if I was just being paranoid. I will contact someone in city council.

    Additionally, please feel free to prove my math wrong if you are interested. It has been quite a few years since I took a physics math class. Falling object physics and pythagorean theorem... hmm.
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    Re: How safe is a public trail passing behind a shooting range? 2016/07/26 09:34:44 (permalink)
    Wouldn't even worry about it since its a police range and rarely ever used.
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    Re: How safe is a public trail passing behind a shooting range? 2016/07/26 09:50:55 (permalink)
    The fact that they are making it there, doesn't look so good. I would think the city or whoever owns the land would want to address it, since it is a public area. I'm impressed your city/county has that big of a paved area for the public to exercise.
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    Re: How safe is a public trail passing behind a shooting range? 2016/07/26 09:53:57 (permalink)
    fearpoint
    Would even worry about it since its a police range and rarely ever used.


    I can't understand your post. It seems to conflict with itself. Maybe you meant "wouldn't".

    It is used... as you can see by the bullet fragments; and as you would hear very loudly if you were walking by.

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    Re: How safe is a public trail passing behind a shooting range? 2016/07/26 10:02:28 (permalink)
    Maybe just a friendly call to the local PD, ask who maintains / manages the range. 
     
    Share your concerns and findings and ask, if they are aware of fragments on / near the public trail. 
     
    Do they know about the public trail being so close ?
     
    Do they fly a red flag while the range is hot ?  Can it be seen from the trail at a safe distance ?

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    Re: How safe is a public trail passing behind a shooting range? 2016/07/27 13:43:26 (permalink)
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    Would even worry about it since its a police range and rarely ever used.


    I can't understand your post. It seems to conflict with itself. Maybe you meant "wouldn't".

    It is used... as you can see by the bullet fragments; and as you would hear very loudly if you were walking by.



    omg typo on the internet. Better point it out!
     
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    Re: How safe is a public trail passing behind a shooting range? 2016/07/27 18:19:23 (permalink)
    You are a rude person, aren't you? I wasn't trying to point out your mistake to make fun of you; I was pointing it out because I was unsure what you were trying to say. It's hard for me to have a conversation with you if I can't understand you. And it's hard get clarification if I don't point out what is confusing in your message.

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    Re: How safe is a public trail passing behind a shooting range? 2016/07/27 18:27:31 (permalink)
    Another thing to take into consideration is that most of these ranges dont enforce burm impact rules. At least 3/4 of all ranges I have been to allow short targets not right in front of the burm so people end up shooting down through the target and ricochet off the ground. Often these have just enough oomph to smash the ground and fly just over a short burm. 
     
    The sheriff's range is like this the next county over you can see rounds ricocheting and hitting near the top of the burm all day long, so you know a few are making it over. Luckily no one lives behind that burm. That said there is a major highway just behind the rifle one where you see the same thing. 
     
    I agree with what the others have said. Get them to either stop using it or build it significantly higher. Also if you can get to the inside and show marks where they are not hitting the berm, ask them to start enforcing safer range rules.
     
    If they refuse to do either then they need to shut down the trail when the range is active.

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    Re: How safe is a public trail passing behind a shooting range? 2016/07/28 11:45:43 (permalink)
    My guess is it'll all land on deaf ears until someone is injured. They'll only see it as creating a problem for them to solve without a budget in place to do so.
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    Re: How safe is a public trail passing behind a shooting range? 2016/07/28 12:09:54 (permalink)
    Contact your city council the old fashion way by mail. In the mail include some bullet fragments you found. Send it registered mail.
     
    Once done you can maybe give yourself a small bit of pride that you tried to make a difference.

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    Re: How safe is a public trail passing behind a shooting range? 2016/07/28 19:08:01 (permalink)
    Do NOT send any bullet fragments to your city council. This could be easily misinterpreted and you may have a swat team knocking on your door.
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    Re: How safe is a public trail passing behind a shooting range? 2016/07/28 19:32:24 (permalink)
    step 1. stand there all day,
     
    step 2. get him by stray bullet on city property,
     
    step 3. huge profit!
     
    lol, in all seriousness you should definitely inform your city officials about this.
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