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All I want to run with the Z170 FTW mobo when I get it is 2x8 (16 GB total) of RAM for now and possibly add 2 more sticks down the road if a need arises. Problem is from what I can see all of the memory speed and size options in the Evga configurator show all (4) memory slots must be occupied regardless of whether running 16, 32, 64 GB. My question is why must all (4) slots be occupied ???
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Re: Z170 mobo must have all 4 memory slots filled ???
2016/02/13 20:47:33
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Totally untrue, sitting on 2 - 8gb sticks of 3200mhz ripjaws on my new board right now slot 1-3 work slots 2-4 work just fine.
16gb is enough for me atm no reason to go further
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Re: Z170 mobo must have all 4 memory slots filled ???
2016/02/13 21:43:50
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Totally untrue, sitting on 2 - 8gb sticks of 3200mhz ripjaws on my new board right now slot 1-3 work slots 2-4 work just fine.
16gb is enough for me atm no reason to go further
Then I'm obviously confused with Evga's memory selector for the 170 FTW board. I can't find a 2x8 memory configuration in the compatible list - which is why I posted. Did you select your memory from Evga's compatible list and if so, please post the exact mfr. type and model number. Thanks..
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Re: Z170 mobo must have all 4 memory slots filled ???
2016/02/13 22:41:09
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Z170 boards are rated for ddr3l and ddr4 up to 3200mhz+ No I do not use that tool first I have ever heard of anyone having this question, seems like a bug maybe to mention to the MODs Specs in my Mod Rigs sig G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB 288-Pin DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Intel Z170 Platformhttp://www.newegg.com/Pro...x?Item=N82E16820231902
If my 780i FTW at the time wasn't filling my screen with 75% red/green lines from bad pcie slot 1 going out it was a rush order on the memory the rest of the build was in my saved wishlist, I probably would have gone with 2x16gb sticks of another model of Gskill it is what it is but it performs good just set xmp profile in bio's good to go. Note: my manual as in another discussion said populate dimms 1 and 3 what I always have done with EVGA boards but the sticker on the board new covering dimm slots says populate 2 and 4 they both work just fine I swapped mine to 2 and 4 just to see and been running them since no issue at all.
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Re: Z170 mobo must have all 4 memory slots filled ???
2016/02/14 00:31:14
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Thanks for the reply... I understand you normally populate slots 1&3 or 2&4 with a pair of matched mem sticks (which I'm running in my current rig).
I'm going to ask support why the compatible memory list doesn't list a 2x8 GB @ 3200. Fact is, none of the approved mem type product numbers show a 2-stick amount. Every product number I've checked from the list at Newegg comes up as 4 sticks, i.e. 4x4 @ 16, 4x8 @ 32, 4x16 @ 64
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Re: Z170 mobo must have all 4 memory slots filled ???
2016/02/14 01:48:17
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Thanks for the reply... I understand you normally populate slots 1&3 or 2&4 with a pair of matched mem sticks (which I'm running in my current rig).
I'm going to ask support why the compatible memory list doesn't list a 2x8 GB @ 3200. Fact is, none of the approved mem type product numbers show a 2-stick amount. Every product number I've checked from the list at Newegg comes up as 4 sticks, i.e. 4x4 @ 16, 4x8 @ 32, 4x16 @ 64
No problem best thing to do is call support and notify them let them pass it down I think it is just a out of date error possibly who knows only the one coding it. Either way EVGA support is infinite in superiority to any company out there in support hands down no one compares. On a support note and story of last night, I never realized how bad support could be for other companies until last night last night well it is 3:39am so technically not last night lol but my buddy we were setting him up for a build to play BF4 on I told him a 100x to get a EVGA board before he bought his 1150 devils canyon cpu "didn't know he got board 30days ago". He went with ASRock trying to go cheap on everything I mean compared to most people I am pretty poor income here is low but he makes good money. I got call missed it came on Teamspeak later to figure out what happened he forgot a plug to PSU while connected to system he plugs it in running pop pop crackle smoke, I could not even find a number for 15 minutes for that company anyway 6pm'ish call get a "Real Home Phone like answering machine" wow just jaw dropping lol, then told him to check newegg purchase was about 12hrs out of warranty he ended up buying same board I couldn't find any x97s here on in Bstock. I couldn't say what I was thinking happened I know the boards gone for sure but it blew the copper strains out the board pcb lol at the dimm slots and way to close to cpu, seen back of board was about 60% black burn, I'm thinking his whole new systems baked.
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Re: Z170 mobo must have all 4 memory slots filled ???
2016/02/17 11:23:25
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Make sure you're putting the RAM in the primary DIMM slots. (On my MB the primary are blue and the secondary are black)
EDIT: Disclaimer: I don't have this particular MB :)
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Re: Z170 mobo must have all 4 memory slots filled ???
2016/02/17 11:23:59
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Just to further clarify, this is from our tested support list. (Please see attached file) If you notice where it says DIMMs 1~4 and 2+4, and the memory part number is the same this means this 2 module kit was tested in a 4 DIMM configuration (1~4) and in a 2 DIMM configuration (2+4). Hopefully that clarifies this a bit further. Also our support list can be found here: http://www.evga.com/support/motherboard/ Also for the FTW there is 1 Corsair kit, 2 GSkill's, and 2 Kingston's on the support list that show a 2 DIMM config at 3200MHz Vendor Part Number Size Frequency Timing Voltage DIMM BIOS CORSAIR CMD16GX4M4B3200C16 4G 3200MHz 16-18-18-36 1.35V 2+4 1.05 G.SKILL F4-3200C16Q-16GRKD 4G 3200MHz 16-16-16-36 1.35V 2+4 1.05 G.SKILL F4-3200C16Q-32GVK 8G 3200MHz 16-16-16-36 1.35V 2+4 1.05 Kingston HX432C16PBK4/16 4G 3200MHz 16-16-16-39 1.35V 2+4 1.03 Kingston HX432C15PBK2/8 4G 3200MHz 15-17-17-39 1.35V 2+4 1.05
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Re: Z170 mobo must have all 4 memory slots filled ???
2016/02/17 11:25:26
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I don't think that image got embedded correctly :)
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Re: Z170 mobo must have all 4 memory slots filled ???
2016/02/17 11:30:10
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I don't think that image got embedded correctly :)
No it did not, still trying to get it to work correctly, in the interim, I attached the file.
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Re: Z170 mobo must have all 4 memory slots filled ???
2016/02/17 14:49:32
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Just to further clarify, this is from our tested support list.
(Please see attached file)
If you notice where it says DIMMs 1~4 and 2+4, and the memory part number is the same this means this 2 module kit was tested in a 4 DIMM configuration (1~4) and in a 2 DIMM configuration (2+4).
Hopefully that clarifies this a bit further. Also our support list can be found here: http://www.evga.com/support/motherboard/
Also for the FTW there is 1 Corsair kit, 2 GSkill's, and 2 Kingston's on the support list that show a 2 DIMM config at 3200MHz
Vendor Part Number Size Frequency Timing Voltage DIMM BIOS
CORSAIR CMD16GX4M4B3200C16 4G 3200MHz 16-18-18-36 1.35V 2+4 1.05
G.SKILL F4-3200C16Q-16GRKD 4G 3200MHz 16-16-16-36 1.35V 2+4 1.05
G.SKILL F4-3200C16Q-32GVK 8G 3200MHz 16-16-16-36 1.35V 2+4 1.05
Kingston HX432C16PBK4/16 4G 3200MHz 16-16-16-39 1.35V 2+4 1.03
Kingston HX432C15PBK2/8 4G 3200MHz 15-17-17-39 1.35V 2+4 1.05
Thank you!! The 1~4 and 2+4 designations are what I didn't understand -and - appreciate taking it a step further by listing the compatible 2 DIMM @ 3400MHz configurations for the FTW. One last question please: Per the manual if I read this correctly, the native Z170 FTW board RAM controller (my choice of words) speed is 2133 MHz. From what I've read elsewhere since I posted is the speed advantage between 2133 RAM and 3400 RAM is negligible in games other than for those who want to crank as much performance possible for bench marking purposes. As I won't be doing any mem oc'ing, would I have to make any RAM voltage adjustments to run 3200 MHz DIMM's (matched pair or full 4 DIMM set) vs. 2133?
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Re: Z170 mobo must have all 4 memory slots filled ???
2016/02/17 16:05:45
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Just to further clarify, this is from our tested support list.
(Please see attached file)
If you notice where it says DIMMs 1~4 and 2+4, and the memory part number is the same this means this 2 module kit was tested in a 4 DIMM configuration (1~4) and in a 2 DIMM configuration (2+4).
Hopefully that clarifies this a bit further. Also our support list can be found here: http://www.evga.com/support/motherboard/
Also for the FTW there is 1 Corsair kit, 2 GSkill's, and 2 Kingston's on the support list that show a 2 DIMM config at 3200MHz
Vendor Part Number Size Frequency Timing Voltage DIMM BIOS
CORSAIR CMD16GX4M4B3200C16 4G 3200MHz 16-18-18-36 1.35V 2+4 1.05
G.SKILL F4-3200C16Q-16GRKD 4G 3200MHz 16-16-16-36 1.35V 2+4 1.05
G.SKILL F4-3200C16Q-32GVK 8G 3200MHz 16-16-16-36 1.35V 2+4 1.05
Kingston HX432C16PBK4/16 4G 3200MHz 16-16-16-39 1.35V 2+4 1.03
Kingston HX432C15PBK2/8 4G 3200MHz 15-17-17-39 1.35V 2+4 1.05
Thank you!! The 1~4 and 2+4 designations are what I didn't understand -and - appreciate taking it a step further by listing the compatible 2 DIMM @ 3400MHz configurations for the FTW.
One last question please: Per the manual if I read this correctly, the native Z170 FTW board RAM controller (my choice of words) speed is 2133 MHz. From what I've read elsewhere since I posted is the speed advantage between 2133 RAM and 3400 RAM is negligible in games other than for those who want to crank as much performance possible for bench marking purposes. As I won't be doing any mem oc'ing, would I have to make any RAM voltage adjustments to run 3200 MHz DIMM's (matched pair or full 4 DIMM set) vs. 2133?
No problem, always glad to help! While brink OCing is mainly for benchmarking, you will see some gains above 2133, just not HUGE gains. Now that being said the IMC's default speed is up to 2133, by the same token the X79's were usually 1600, and the X58s were 1066 and 1333, though my X79 is running at 2400, and my X58 was at 1600, and others I built were at 2000; so as you can see historically memory can run well over what the IMC is "rated" for. No guarantee on how far over you can go, that is all up to the silicon lottery. Next up, the highest base memory speed with only adjusting the multiplier is 2666 (might be 2800, im sorry, blanking on the exact non BCLK value) above that point, you need to adjust BCLK and step the multiplier back to achieve these memory speeds. Now with memory on the list (frankly and some not on the list) you will find that you simply need to go into BIOS and enable XMP, and it should handle multiplier, BCLK (if needed) and memory voltage on its own. Set it, save and exit the BIOS, go back into the BIOS and make sure everything is displaying correctly, if it is, continue on to boot up or install your OS, it should be just that simple. Side note, there is no memory controller on the motherboard, and there has not been since Socket 775 when it was still part of the FSB (Front Side bus) like you would have seen on a 780i or 790-i NForce based motherboard. The IMC I referenced is the "integrated Memory Controller" and this is on the CPU, IMC's have been used on Intel CPU's since the launch of the X58 in Nov 2008. All memory controls are handled internally in the processor, this is why processor problems, or bent pins in the socket can cause memory issues.
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Re: Z170 mobo must have all 4 memory slots filled ???
2016/02/17 17:09:28
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Just to further clarify, this is from our tested support list.
(Please see attached file)
If you notice where it says DIMMs 1~4 and 2+4, and the memory part number is the same this means this 2 module kit was tested in a 4 DIMM configuration (1~4) and in a 2 DIMM configuration (2+4).
Hopefully that clarifies this a bit further. Also our support list can be found here: http://www.evga.com/support/motherboard/
Also for the FTW there is 1 Corsair kit, 2 GSkill's, and 2 Kingston's on the support list that show a 2 DIMM config at 3200MHz
Vendor Part Number Size Frequency Timing Voltage DIMM BIOS
CORSAIR CMD16GX4M4B3200C16 4G 3200MHz 16-18-18-36 1.35V 2+4 1.05
G.SKILL F4-3200C16Q-16GRKD 4G 3200MHz 16-16-16-36 1.35V 2+4 1.05
G.SKILL F4-3200C16Q-32GVK 8G 3200MHz 16-16-16-36 1.35V 2+4 1.05
Kingston HX432C16PBK4/16 4G 3200MHz 16-16-16-39 1.35V 2+4 1.03
Kingston HX432C15PBK2/8 4G 3200MHz 15-17-17-39 1.35V 2+4 1.05
Thank you!! The 1~4 and 2+4 designations are what I didn't understand -and - appreciate taking it a step further by listing the compatible 2 DIMM @ 3400MHz configurations for the FTW.
One last question please: Per the manual if I read this correctly, the native Z170 FTW board RAM controller (my choice of words) speed is 2133 MHz. From what I've read elsewhere since I posted is the speed advantage between 2133 RAM and 3400 RAM is negligible in games other than for those who want to crank as much performance possible for bench marking purposes. As I won't be doing any mem oc'ing, would I have to make any RAM voltage adjustments to run 3200 MHz DIMM's (matched pair or full 4 DIMM set) vs. 2133?
No problem, always glad to help!
While brink OCing is mainly for benchmarking, you will see some gains above 2133, just not HUGE gains.
Now that being said the IMC's default speed is up to 2133, by the same token the X79's were usually 1600, and the X58s were 1066 and 1333, though my X79 is running at 2400, and my X58 was at 1600, and others I built were at 2000; so as you can see historically memory can run well over what the IMC is "rated" for. No guarantee on how far over you can go, that is all up to the silicon lottery.
Next up, the highest base memory speed with only adjusting the multiplier is 2666 (might be 2800, im sorry, blanking on the exact non BCLK value) above that point, you need to adjust BCLK and step the multiplier back to achieve these memory speeds. Now with memory on the list (frankly and some not on the list) you will find that you simply need to go into BIOS and enable XMP, and it should handle multiplier, BCLK (if needed) and memory voltage on its own. Set it, save and exit the BIOS, go back into the BIOS and make sure everything is displaying correctly, if it is, continue on to boot up or install your OS, it should be just that simple.
Side note, there is no memory controller on the motherboard, and there has not been since Socket 775 when it was still part of the FSB (Front Side bus) like you would have seen on a 780i or 790-i NForce based motherboard. The IMC I referenced is the "integrated Memory Controller" and this is on the CPU, IMC's have been used on Intel CPU's since the launch of the X58 in Nov 2008. All memory controls are handled internally in the processor, this is why processor problems, or bent pins in the socket can cause memory issues.
..."The IMC I referenced is the "integrated Memory Controller"... I was close .. but no cigar... all I remembered was memory and controller... Given what you've posted maybe going with 16 GB of 2666 MHz sticks (2x8 GB) is the better choice ... decisions, decisions. Again, mild/straight forward cpu oc'ing (not memory) is the extent of my comfort zone - and needs. Which is why I'm glad Evga released the FTW board.... a perfect fit for "senior" gamers like me (76), with a now 6-year old x58 DIY first time build and ready to move to a I7-6700 system to pair with the Evga 980 SC I just bought.
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Re: Z170 mobo must have all 4 memory slots filled ???
2016/02/17 18:57:24
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The embedded XMP profile has the auto settings. (If your memory is xmp compatible.)
I'm running G.SKILL F4-3200C16Q-32GVK 8G 3200MHz 16-16-16-36 1.35V 2+4 1.05
xmp sets the voltage at 1.38 in bio's @ 3200mhz
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Re: Z170 mobo must have all 4 memory slots filled ???
2016/02/17 19:24:22
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The embedded XMP profile has the auto settings. (If your memory is xmp compatible.)
I'm running G.SKILL F4-3200C16Q-32GVK 8G 3200MHz 16-16-16-36 1.35V 2+4 1.05
xmp sets the voltage at 1.38 in bio's @ 3200mhz
Early on here you said you were running with 16 GB of this model# RAM. The product code F4-320016Q-32GVK is for (4) 8G sticks. Am I to understand you're only using 2 of the 4 sticks at present? Reason I ask is I can't find a product code using G-Skill's Evga Z170 FTW RAM configurator for a 2x8G two stick matched set.
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Re: Z170 mobo must have all 4 memory slots filled ???
2016/02/17 19:34:15
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The embedded XMP profile has the auto settings. (If your memory is xmp compatible.)
I'm running G.SKILL F4-3200C16Q-32GVK 8G 3200MHz 16-16-16-36 1.35V 2+4 1.05
xmp sets the voltage at 1.38 in bio's @ 3200mhz
Early on here you said you were running with 16 GB of this model# RAM. The product code F4-320016Q-32GVK is for (4) 8G sticks. Am I to understand you're only using 2 of the 4 sticks at present? Reason I ask is I can't find a product code using G-Skill's Evga Z170 FTW RAM configurator for a 2x8G two stick matched set.
16GB total 2x8gb modules work fine no issues at all @3200mhz Been used in dimm 1 and 3 also 2 and 4 at present I've stressed it good no problems at all. I have noticed Gskill doesn't keep up to date with EVGA boards well in the past
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Re: Z170 mobo must have all 4 memory slots filled ???
2016/02/17 20:05:35
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The embedded XMP profile has the auto settings. (If your memory is xmp compatible.)
I'm running G.SKILL F4-3200C16Q-32GVK 8G 3200MHz 16-16-16-36 1.35V 2+4 1.05
xmp sets the voltage at 1.38 in bio's @ 3200mhz
Early on here you said you were running with 16 GB of this model# RAM. The product code F4-320016Q-32GVK is for (4) 8G sticks. Am I to understand you're only using 2 of the 4 sticks at present? Reason I ask is I can't find a product code using G-Skill's Evga Z170 FTW RAM configurator for a 2x8G two stick matched set.
16GB total
2x8gb modules work fine no issues at all @3200mhz
Been used in dimm 1 and 3 also 2 and 4 at present I've stressed it good no problems at all.
I have noticed Gskill doesn't keep up to date with EVGA boards well in the past
I understand you're using (2) sticks for a total 16 gigs. But the product number you posted is for (4) sticks of 8 gigs, not 2 sticks of 8 gigs - and there is no listing (G-Skill web site) for a 2-stick set of 8G with the letter Q in the product number that I can find. ????
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Re: Z170 mobo must have all 4 memory slots filled ???
2016/02/17 20:31:33
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Early on here you said you were running with 16 GB of this model# RAM. The product code F4-320016Q-32GVK is for (4) 8G sticks.
I understand you're using (2) sticks for a total 16 gigs. But the product number you posted is for (4) sticks of 8 gigs, not 2 sticks of 8 gigs - and there is no listing (G-Skill web site) for a 2-stick set of 8G with the letter Q in the product number that I can find. ????
My bad forgot to backspace out the item number and edit those digits I just copied pasted his line was on the phone with a commercial client. SORRY! http://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c16d-16gvk I wished I went with the Trident top series there but was on budget.
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Re: Z170 mobo must have all 4 memory slots filled ???
2016/02/18 06:31:47
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Early on here you said you were running with 16 GB of this model# RAM. The product code F4-320016Q-32GVK is for (4) 8G sticks.
I understand you're using (2) sticks for a total 16 gigs. But the product number you posted is for (4) sticks of 8 gigs, not 2 sticks of 8 gigs - and there is no listing (G-Skill web site) for a 2-stick set of 8G with the letter Q in the product number that I can find. ????
My bad forgot to backspace out the item number and edit those digits I just copied pasted his line was on the phone with a commercial client. SORRY!
http://www.gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c16d-16gvk
I wished I went with the Trident top series there but was on budget.
OK... Thank you! I'm good to go now ...
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Re: Z170 mobo must have all 4 memory slots filled ???
2016/02/18 06:37:55
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This is what i am using .. Corsair Vengeance® LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3000MHz C15 Memory Kit - Black (CMK16GX4M2B3000C15) 2x8gb, manual OC @1.4v and running just fine.....  [stupid formatting is stupid, why is it such a difficult task to insert an uploaded image]
post edited by nowcontrol - 2016/02/18 07:14:20
EVGA Z170 FTW / EVGA RTX 3070Ti XC3 ULTRA Intel Core i7-6700k / Corsair H115i RGB PLATINUM Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 32 GB @ 3200MHz [C16] Corsair HX850i / Corsair Carbide Air 540 WD BLACK SN750 [500GB]   
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snapbeaver
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Re: Z170 mobo must have all 4 memory slots filled ???
2016/02/18 18:30:23
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yes 4 dimms slot 1+2+3+4 primary= 2 DIMMS slot 2+4 (furthest from the cpu) if i have got my head straight on this Z170 FTW.. because i have a hard time imagining the this is the only Z170 motherboard out there that have dismissed the reference layout (DIMM slots) and not to speak of all the heatsink incompatibility problems that would cause 1+3, and considering aftermarket cooler is the main choice for 6600k and 6700k (no boxed fan/cooler included) user manual typo slot 1+3??
post edited by snapbeaver - 2016/02/18 20:44:03
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