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Re: some thoughts on new FTW board Z170 that is 2016/02/13 01:10:07 (permalink)
That 4.5MHZ overclock is quite impressive

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Re: some thoughts on new FTW board Z170 that is 2016/02/13 08:20:08 (permalink)
i am a bit surprised myself to be honest..
 
It seem like everything just is running extremely well tuned..
 
I cant take all the credit myself, i suspect the motherboard is very good when it comes to response time and stability / output
 
less things on the PCB is always a good thing when it comes to performance FTW
 
i did notice however that the motherboard for some reason sets the tWCL a step or two higher than the CL by default, and that's wrong (and will degrade the performance very much)
 
Keep tWCL one or two steps lower than the CL instead for everyday use on DDR4, and in this bios you need to be aware of the offset, if you set tWCL 15 its actually 14 in real life Z170 FTW..
 
so 3200mhz CL 15 / tWCL 15  (14) = good 24/7
 
3200mhz CL 15 / tWCL 14 (13)  (consume more DRAM voltage to be stable, but with a minor gain in latency)
 
There is no reason to go lower than 2 steps on DDR4 using CR 2, the small gain wont be worth it anyway  (stability issues, higher voltage and so on), and performance degradation soon starts to kick in
 
All the kits i have tested have worked like a charm at 3200mhz with this board (manual custom settings, max 1,32v in bios / 2133-2666mhz XMP kits), Crucial kits have not reached that high  (known fact, but they can run silly tight instead at lower mhz)
 
+3300mhz also works for most the kits i have tested, but my Hynix based predator kit seem to thrive at around 3200mhz CL15 for 24/7 use
 
haven't tested XMP yet tho..
 
I have not browsed this forum very much to be honest, but i have a feeling there should be a manual memory OC setup guide in here somewhere, check that one out if you are having problems getting your kits run at higher freq and faster than your dedicated XMP profiles, gaming stutter problems, instability, low performance etc.
 
Buy lower speed rated XMP kits and OC them yourselves instead, y'all would be surprised how fast the kits really are..... bang for the buck  2400mhz---> +3200mhz no problem
 
FTW
 
 
 
 
 
post edited by snapbeaver - 2016/02/13 15:06:07



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Re: some thoughts on new FTW board Z170 that is 2016/02/16 13:45:41 (permalink)
 became curious how the cpu / motherboard would scale at 4600mhz in XTU
 
Not a major up swing in numbers 1411 this time  +20 points compared to the 4500mhz score 1391  bad run this time or simply user error maybe
 
minimal increase... i am skipping 4700mhz with the U12s, skipping the 4700mhz totally..
 
4500mhz = sweetspot, i am all set
 
Ps: Had to open the door to the balcony to get some cool air inside the room this round
 
Ps again: It seem like this bios version has problems with intel speedstep / turbo mode  (just an n00b observation), i can be wrong, please dont ask °), it wont be noticed under regular use anyway, if it that's the case..
 
Ps x 3 : peeka boo 
 

 
 
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Re: some thoughts on new FTW board Z170 that is 2016/02/20 23:19:48 (permalink)
in this thread i had problems with controlling the cpu fan speed
 
1000 views in this thread
 
Could not even a mod have told my that its possible to edit the fan curves, -->"hey just click there, and its done"
 
By mistake i accidentally found the tab for this in bios
 
So the pwm adapters i have made was clearly in vain.. for nothing
 
Its my first EVGA motherboards, but i guess it was fun to watch the missilery..
 
i cant even find the words.......
 
 
 

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Re: some thoughts on new FTW board Z170 that is 2016/03/01 12:04:52 (permalink)
Zuhl3156
If it's this red light shown in the pic just above the video board then it looks like this is normal operation.
 

 




Yes and the other lights too behind the card no worries
 
 
 
snapbeaver
I tested XTU @4500mhz default profile, Noctua U12s
 
1391 points, with watercooling and some OC +1600 points?
 
Skylake is fast, and fun. and the EVGA Z170 boards seem to have a good memory output, even at very little OC
 
have anyone in here tested the 6700k XTU at 4500mhz?
 
It would be fun to see the output from that CPU 1550-1650?
 

 
 




I'm at 4.6 OC 24/7 no issues on air benched the crap out of this thing and stressed that cpu super hard in prime for hours hitting high temps no fails all passes its a keeper.
 
I idle @ 26-28C on air @ 4.6
Max in game like BF4 never been past 57C
 
On the memory are you modules not XMP? If so should set that.
 
The voltage is true will somewhat higher mine for instance says 1.35 but the XMP profile sets it at 1.38 in bio's no issue anywhere except the other day downloaded precisionX16 and profile was not working glad I caught it in time GPU hit 82C I uninstalled it right then, the fan profiles would not take for some reason but can easily live w/o P-16 lol
 
 
I'm getting ready for summer my room is odd higher and lower than the rest of the house so temps get crazy in here during summer fixing to slam a corsair CPU water block on it either the 90/140mm or the 80 dual 120mm corsair recommends the 80 says it outperforms the 90.
 
I run a Thor V2 case it is wicked on air, says it will take a 240 radiator on top but the top is vented panels open/close I googled a lot of pics and sites seen people cutting their cases all up so in the process of deciding on 90-140mm or 80-2x120mm super thick better, sleeved cables doubt I would install the software with it though plan to run lighting strands in case later on anyways. This case mounts MB high and the 8 pin connected will def. be in the way for upper RAD. there is a 6 pin at bottom but have no 6pin cpu cable with 750 G2 evga PSU. The 8 pins better for OC'ing
 
 
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Re: some thoughts on new FTW board Z170 that is 2016/03/01 13:00:17 (permalink)
XMP my friend is far the best option.. the XMP is a OC also, the only difference is that its not made by you..
 
2133mhz is also a DDR4 OC
 
 
If i enable the xmp profile i think the memory performance would drop with 30% or so.. and also the overall system performance in benchmarks / games
 
My XMP is 2666mhz,  my default setting is 3400mhz
 
XMP is very handy for people that's not into tweaking, some people just want a every day computer that works fine every time its powered up..
 
Bad memory OC on the other hand will drop the performance, just like a Mallard hit in the head with a shotty
 
get 2400mhz XMP DDR4 and OC them instead and save a buck  2400mhz--> 3400mhz (and pick up some knowledge along the way)
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Re: some thoughts on new FTW board Z170 that is 2016/03/01 13:21:49 (permalink)
just for fun..
 
lets test..
 
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Re: some thoughts on new FTW board Z170 that is 2016/03/01 13:28:14 (permalink)
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XMP my friend is far the best option.. the XMP is a OC also, the only difference is that its not made by you..
 
2133mhz is also a DDR4 OC
 
 
If i enable the xmp profile i think the memory performance would drop with 30% or so.. and also the overall system performance in benchmarks / games
 
My XMP is 2666mhz,  my default setting is 3400mhz
 
XMP is very handy for people that's not into tweaking, some people just want a every day computer that works fine every time its powered up..
 
Bad memory OC on the other hand will drop the performance, just like a Mallard hit in the head with a shotty
 
get 2400mhz XMP DDR4 and OC them instead and save a buck  2400mhz--> 3400mhz (and pick up some knowledge along the way)




 
Actually the XMP profiles have about 30 settings o speed you can use for mine on the ripjaws, I have went to 2800 I see no improvement from that compared to my 3200 I am currently running which runs better than the 2800 settings.
 
 
Test my friend would be great but my work season starting and I will be about non existing around here more than likely till next winter I was trying so hard to get some hours in to qualify for the 980ti give away on evga servers I got the email like way late, so I guess I'm out of that as well sighs super sighs never won nothing but a dang free lottery scratch off in my life and way to poor to buy better cards lol. I went in debt on this system but had to build my old 780I FTW rig bit the dust lasted almost 10yrs, had a 680i for a bit in it.
 
PS if you have time and notice anything let me know PM please because I live in the deep south very low income here and work solo as a landscaper/lawncare it's brutal and the avg income around here is like 25k a yr.
 
But if the ram takes damage GSkill is lifetime covered so thats g2g lol
 
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Re: some thoughts on new FTW board Z170 that is 2016/03/01 13:52:46 (permalink)
here you go..
 
6600k at 4.0ghz
 
The CPU and cache is running with the same settings in bios, the only thing changed is the Memory
 
To make this easier and more accurate, i used the 3333mhz OC profile of mine  (so i dont have to alter the bckl)
 
2666 XMP VS 3333mhz OC  (same kit)
 
Here is the Kingston predator XMP profile 2666mhz->

 
 
Here are one of my default memory profiles, manual settings 3333mhz  (somewhat loose timings / i game a lot and want solid stability)
 
 
I wont be participating in this community anymore..
 
But as you can see from above its a difference, so in XTU (linpack), the stable 3333mhz profile will yield a better score = higher output
 
Same goes for gaming, and overall system performance..
 
good luck Pitbull..
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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