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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2015/03/10 17:01:01 (permalink)
I agree they should amend their product advertising and revise the manual to reflect what's now become more obvious re the Z97 limitations and EVGAs implementation of the somewhat mysterious PLX solution.
 
It's like EVGA has the same communication problems between their design engineers & marketing/support department as nVidia does! ;)
 
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2015/03/10 18:12:29 (permalink)
I now fully understand the limitations of the architecture, I also fully understand that this board is equipped with numerous undocumented connections and features.  I also fully understand that the reason I chose this board was because it claimed 2 x x16 - I may be strange but I expect my tech to do what it claims it will do.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2015/03/11 10:54:54 (permalink)
The board is good for gaming, I'm hoping I can find someone within EVGA that knows the board before I move it to my benchtable and freeze it.  
 
Page 10 of part 1 of the user manual does tell you that slot 1 will be x8 if you populate any of the other slots but no one at EVGA tech support seems to know this??  Do we need to download manuals prior to purchase now instead of trusting the text manufacturers put out?
 
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2015/03/11 11:01:19 (permalink)
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I agree they should amend their product advertising and revise the manual to reflect what's now become more obvious re the Z97 limitations and EVGAs implementation of the somewhat mysterious PLX solution.
 
It's like EVGA has the same communication problems between their design engineers & marketing/support department as nVidia does! ;)
 




Yet EVGA tech support was the Gold Standard up until a few years ago - that is why I keep repeating - sad
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2015/03/11 15:31:52 (permalink)
The only way to get true x16 + x16 lanes=32 total is a X99 Board with a i7-5960X processor which has 40 lanes. It's not the board but the processor that does not have enough lanes. See this link and scroll down to expansion options-processor lanes. http://ark.intel.com/products/82930 If Intel made a processor for the 1150-Z97 chip set with 32 lanes you would get true x16 in SLI. Maybe the new 5th gen. processors will have 32 or more lanes. We can only hope.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2015/03/11 15:48:28 (permalink)
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The only way to get true x16 + x16 lanes=32 total is a X99 Board with a i7-5960X processor which has 40 lanes. It's not the board but the processor that does not have enough lanes. See this link and scroll down to expansion options-processor lanes. http://ark.intel.com/products/82930 If Intel made a processor for the Z97 chip set with 32 lanes you would get true x16 in SLI. Maybe the new 5th gen. processors will have 32 or more lanes. We can only hope.
 


would love to see 24 lanes on the Z series setup, because that would at least enable 3 way sli. I doubt they would go that far any time soon, because then they remove the need to X Series chips for a lot of people.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2015/03/30 20:29:30 (permalink)
Became interested in this board when i saw the EVGA pot o gold giveaway and immediately started doing research. Curious about possibilities it took me 15 min to see that any and all FCLGA1150 processors (i7 or other wise) do NOT support 2 gfx cards at full x16 simply put. If this was truly a concern (i wrote it off as a typo the second i saw it) then getting this board would have been a bad idea from the start. I understand that the plx chip can add more lanes (and some of the benchmarks are not that bad!) but for the enthusiasts in this thread that want their cards in a tried and true full blown x16/x16 fashion it might be time to start thinking 2011. Not the year. With that being said you guys are all still lightyears ahead of me since im still rocking a evga nforce 680i and a e8400. Yes that is my gaming rig.
On a side note....EVGA IS AWESOME and this is my first post....yay
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2015/04/09 08:41:22 (permalink)
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According to the PCI-E lane distribution slots 2 and 4 are for two way SLI Classified Board. 1 and 4 will also work but you need a long SLI Bridge.
 
PCI-E Slot Breakdown
PCI-E Lane Distribution
PE1 – x16 (x8 if PE2 is used)
PE2 – x16 (x8 if PE3 is used)
PE3 – x8
PE4 – x16 (x8 if PE6 is used)
PE5 – x1
PE6 – x8


The manual is incorrect Cpt.  Slots 2 & 4 is the only way to achieve x16/x16 on the Z97 Classy.


The manual is not incorrect. Slots 2 and 4 will give you 8 lanes each the plx chip actually expands the PCI-E lanes. The bottleneck is the processor it only has a total of 16 lanes. The Z97 Classified motherboard has a total of six device ports - five PCI-Express x16 slots and one PCI-Express x1 slot. For the PCI-Express x16 slots, the board supports full x16 bandwidth with a single card, x16 bandwidth with cards in the primary and secondary slots with two cards populated, x16 / x8 / x8 with cards populated in slots 1, 2, and 4, and x8 / x8 / x8 / x8 with cards populating four of the PCI-Express x16 slots. EVGA was able to accommodate 8x bandwidth in tri and quad-card operation using a PLX bridge chip sitting underneath the heat sink to the right of the PCI-Express slot area of the board. There is no processor out for the Z97 1150  platform with more than 16 lanes.

Combining three or four video cards on a Socket 1150 motherboard is, as said, not really possible. The trick involving the four lanes from the chipset is supported by AMD for CrossfireX, although it is definitely not recommended. Nvidia SLI simply refuses to work in this arrangement. Still, Socket 1150 motherboards with support for 3-way and 4-way SLI do exist. This is because manufacturers place a PCI-Express switch-chip on such boards, usually a PLX PEX8747. This chip is connected to the CPU through PCI-Express x16 and offers 32 lanes to video cards on the other side. This enables two cards to be controlled with 16 lanes each or four cards to be controlled with 8 lanes each.

The total bandwidth to the CPU naturally remains limited to the 16 GB/s offered by PCI-Express 3.0 x16. Because the PLX-chip can switch, it is possible for two installed cards to communicate at full speed, provided the other is not transferring data at the same time. More importantly, both cards can also send data to one another at PCI-Express x16 speed through the PLX chip. The same holds true when three or four cards have been installed, although in this case the speed naturally is limited to x8.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2015/04/09 09:40:33 (permalink)
I can't believe this post keeps going! All 1150 processors only have 16 pcie lanes. This has nothing to do with the z97 motherboards, Evga or any other brands. All this badmouthing of Evga is just really old. To all those complainers, if you had really done your homework you would have chosen a different processor because that's where the problem is. I love my Z97 sli setup even with the restricted lanes. My performance is off the hook and the price to upgrade my system was under six hundred. Price vs performance ratio we all are winners!
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2015/04/09 10:00:43 (permalink)
I am trying to put this to bed. People think it's the plx chip. The plx chip expands the lanes it's not the bottle neck. I am with you my machine is fast there is no game out there that slows it down.




 
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2015/04/09 11:06:08 (permalink)
You are so right Cpt. so lets rip up some other myths lol
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2015/04/09 11:21:33 (permalink)
Current gpu's can't even fill the x8 lanes, right?  Other than benchmarking purposes is it even needed?


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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2015/04/10 12:31:10 (permalink)
As Ive said before, I think the real benefits with the added lanes are when you have 3 pcie cards... My sense is if you are doing  triple or quad SLI, your wallet is probably fat enough to go X99... BUT for the rest of us (who still spent a pretty penny on the z97 classy) I think the real benefits will be to have a 2 way SLI config, and STILL have the option to drop in a next gen pciE SSD card. Since most cards don't use ALL the lanes ALL the time, the PLX switching should help with those new pcie SSD's... Its probably as close to X99 performance as you will get without having to buy X99 hardware. So yeah still a great value for the money I think!
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2015/04/10 15:32:48 (permalink)
Most definitely z 97 gives you the most bang for the buck
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2015/04/10 19:36:03 (permalink)
No doubt...got the classy AND 4790k for the price of just the 4930...not to mention didn't have to buy new RAM sticks.  Love it.  perfect for me...I almost got went with x99 just because it's the best but in the end couldn't justify it for gaming and normal pc use.  


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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2015/04/11 03:02:02 (permalink)
me as well, and a lot of new cpu tech is right around the corner (as always). The 1150 socket might be getting more cpu lanes direct to pci-e slots. Hopefully a bios fix will enable such an upgrade and not make me replace my motherboard.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2015/04/11 07:36:39 (permalink)
If you are talking about 5th gen. Processors you will be fine with your Z97 platform. If you are talking about Skylake technology than a new board would be in order it will be socket 1151. Got add one more pin so we can spend more money. Skylake will not be until the end of the year or later.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2015/04/11 13:13:50 (permalink)
I'll hold off for a while, I stick with the five year replacement game
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2016/02/06 16:37:45 (permalink)
And here I buy this in February of 2016 and the manual and online specs show lanes 1 and 4 will give you 16x. I have 2 Titans in SLI and my junk Gigabyte board handled it (z87 even).

I would like to thank EVGA for using these past 2 years to update their manual and online specs so I could make an informed decision........
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2016/02/06 16:45:54 (permalink)
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And here I buy this in February of 2016 and the manual and online specs show lanes 1 and 4 will give you 16x. I have 2 Titans in SLI and my junk Gigabyte board handled it (z87 even).

I would like to thank EVGA for using these past 2 years to update their manual and online specs so I could make an informed decision........


It shows lane 2 and 4 as x16 as well as lane 1, and lane 4. The specifications do not say to USE lane 1 and 4 for x16, they only show a picture that requires interpretation.

I agree, the instructions should be updated, EVGA rarely posts amended instruction manuals.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2016/02/06 20:35:26 (permalink)
the 8x and 16x will still give you better performance since the 8x goes directly to the CPU.
 
Read up on the PLX chip a bit more and youll understand. Also see how they revised the instructions in the z170 classified board. Read those instructions and it will give you a slightly better perspective. But first ,read up on the PLX chip and the different implementations of it by different manufacturers. I prefer the EVGA implementation, but its all about user choice. At the high end of the motherbaord spectrum it seems you really have to do a lot of research.
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Re: 8x/16x not 16x/16x 2016/02/07 07:10:11 (permalink)
I run one titan x lane 1 so im good to go

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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