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2015/10/02 22:12:21 (permalink)
So my son bought a new rig and gave me back my EVGA 460 cards he had in SLI. So I thought I would use one as a dedicated Phys-X card along with my two 760's in SLI. This was no easy task.
 
1) Physical location of the cards all being double slot occupiers posed a problem on the Dark. I tried the top slot a 760; next available the 460; then the other 760 with long flexible SLI connectors. This resulted in crashing of the system (Windows 10 Pro BTW) whenever the SLI was enabled. scrapped that idea.
2) Placed a 760 in the top slot; followed by the 2nd 760; then the 460. Default nVidia drivers crashed. Got the latest Win 10 drivers and at least they installed. Still could not get SLI and dedicated Phys-x without Windows 10 freezing when I clicked OK in the control panel applet. Now I'm gett a bit pissed.
3) Pulled the 460 and set SLI for the 760's in the upper two slots. That went fine. Shut down the system and added the 460. I then set it to be dedicated Phys-X card. That also worked . So now it's all operational.
 
Ran the usual benchmarks like Heaven, 3DMark Vantage & 3DMark 11 with scores as high as I ever got but no improvement. This is actually good as these test are not heavy Phys-X processing tests and I wanted to know if my SLI was degraded moving the lower card to what I think is an 8X slot and not a 16X slot. 
 
So then I found a Phys_X benchmark and demo by Geeks3D called Fluid Mark. I ran the default full screen test and this was my base result.
Score was 4129, 68 FPS @ 1920X1080. I don't know if that is Good, Bad or Ugly as I have never seen any other results from other setups. If you can post what you know about Fluid Mark, that would be helpful. If you know a better physical setup for my cards that too would be helpful. It also reports my system a Win 8 even though it's Win 10.
 
Thanks!
 
If you would like to download the bench, try here:
 
http://www.geeks3d.com/20130308/fluidmark-1-5-1-physx-benchmark-fluid-sph-simulation-opengl-download/
 
 
 
 
 
 
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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/03 07:30:45 (permalink)
    For my setup I use slots 1 (x16), slot 3 (x16), and slot 6 (x8).  So my Sli'd cards are in 1 & 3 and my physx card is in 6.  That way all cards have extra space between them.  I can't imagine a more optimal slot arrangement than that.
     
    Side note: I don't recall this exactly, but I thought there was a driver issue trying to run either Maxwell or Kepler with a Fermi card?  My memory is sketchy on this though.
     
    I'll look at the benchmark you posted.


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/03 07:46:55 (permalink)
    Here's my results.  Obviously a higher score due to the different hardware used.
     



     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/03 11:46:21 (permalink)
    Thanks for posting bdary. My case has a bottom PS mount so it restricts me using the #6 slot. I really want to use the same slots, maybe it's time for a new case.
     
    Funny in the bios when experimenting with 44X, it listed each card at a different PCI speed.
     
     

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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/03 13:42:53 (permalink)
    You're welcome...
     
    I think it's more a matter of how tall the case is and/or how high the board is situated in the case.  My HafX is a bottom mount PSU also, but plenty of room between it and the mobo.
     
    That is strange about the 44 multi.  I have used that here & there but it didn't change what my PCIe speed was set at.


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/03 20:50:43 (permalink)
    Ran the same test without the 460 and with the 760's in slot 1 and 3; score was actually a bit higher. So no 460 experiment without a new case.  
     
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    So I decided to push my i7 higher and went to 4.875 Gig. Now I can beat the Real temp Bench.
     
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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/04 06:33:43 (permalink)
    Very nice OC...  I commented in your new thread as well.  Nice job!


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/07 12:10:29 (permalink)
    Thanks again bdary.
    I found a new home for my Dark board; it's going into a NZXT Source 530 Full Tower Chassis, Black Mesh CA-SO530-M1. Available on Amazon for only $77 with Prime shipping. It has the option of mounting the PS top or bottom, and the cooling radiator can be mounted vertical or horizontal. It also has excellent cable management system; something my Antec 900 really lacks. Shown here with the dust cover off.Early birthday present from the wife that she just found out about. Will be here Friday. Now to wait until the 14th to open it, or set it up this  [url]https://www.youtube.com/w...=210&v=BtBMljG0lRc[/url] 
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    post edited by MhzManiac - 2015/10/07 12:26:06

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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/07 12:15:41 (permalink)
    Yep, that looks like it'll do the job...
     
    Heck of a nice price on it to I'd say.


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/07 12:27:31 (permalink)
    Check out the video link I just included above. It does way more than I thought.

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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/07 13:37:55 (permalink)
    Looks like a nice case.  Ought to serve you well.  I like that optional tilting fan behind the drive bays.  Nice idea.
     
    If I could add one option to it, it would have a side case fan for blowing air right at the GPU's.  But it looks like you can get plenty of air moving front to back and out the top.  Great choice, great price...


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/07 14:39:07 (permalink)
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    Side note: I don't recall this exactly, but I thought there was a driver issue trying to run either Maxwell or Kepler with a Fermi card?  My memory is sketchy on this though.
     

     
    bdary, it was actually Maxwell cards not playing well with Kepler or Fermi for PhysX cards.  Kepler and Fermi are fine together, however as for actual performance differences, a low end Kepler like a 640 will outperform a 570 as a PhysX card and be about even on PhysX performance with a 580.
     
     
    Before someone jumps in and says no need at all for PhysX, anymore it is not as useful as it used to be, but there are still instances where it is noticeable, and if anyone has questions or comments on that I can definitely go into it with them.
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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/07 15:00:00 (permalink)
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    Side note: I don't recall this exactly, but I thought there was a driver issue trying to run either Maxwell or Kepler with a Fermi card?  My memory is sketchy on this though.
     

     
    bdary, it was actually Maxwell cards not playing well with Kepler or Fermi for PhysX cards.  Kepler and Fermi are fine together, however as for actual performance differences, a low end Kepler like a 640 will outperform a 570 as a PhysX card and be about even on PhysX performance with a 580.
     
     
    Before someone jumps in and says no need at all for PhysX, anymore it is not as useful as it used to be, but there are still instances where it is noticeable, and if anyone has questions or comments on that I can definitely go into it with them.


    I knew it was something like.  Thanks for clearing that up Dave...
     
    I was really thinking the early driver support was for 600 series on up for Win10, but as I mentioned, my memory was sketchy on that...


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/07 15:14:15 (permalink)
    No problem.  Shame it wasn't drivers but it was something in the series's that didn't like each other.  Really for modern cards, if you wanted one I think a 750 or 950 would be the sweet spot, especially if you got one in single slot.
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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/07 16:12:45 (permalink)
    Thanks Dave, we can always count on you for great advice. The Dark you sent me last year is still running strong.
     
    Thanks again.
     
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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/07 16:43:39 (permalink)
    Tom, no problem, always glad to help, and glad to hear your Dark is still going strong.  There was a bit of a rough time with it when they launched, good board but could be better, but the BIOS updates REALLY made the Dark into a great board, still running mine.  My only complaint isn't about the Dark really but X79's, I never cared for the SATA controller, love the controller on the X99 though.
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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/08 17:46:09 (permalink)
    Funny you mention that Dave, as I was shopping for a 6 core last night and found the X99 2011-v3 is $100 bucks less than the X79 2011. Prices for the X79 CPU's have not really budged in the past 12 months, I don't get it? You would think with X99 out, pricing would fall. 

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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/11 22:03:33 (permalink)
    So I went for it today and gutted the Antec 900 and moved everything to the New NZXT. I was able to keep my push/pull on the H100 by placing two of the fans on top of the case. Problem is now it's too tall to fit in the desk cubby. Also had to remove the housing on the bottom card to be able to use the 3.0 USB port. I may lower the feet or try a suspending the radiator lower. It won't go direct on top due to the Dark's heat sink in that area.
     
     

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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/11 23:16:47 (permalink)
    That's a really nice looking case, especially for $85 or so. I'm considering building a PC for a family member, and don't want to spend more than $100 on a case, but needs to be full tower ATX. How would you rate it in terms of ease of build?

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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/12 10:44:54 (permalink)
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    So I went for it today and gutted the Antec 900 and moved everything to the New NZXT. I was able to keep my push/pull on the H100 by placing two of the fans on top of the case. Problem is now it's too tall to fit in the desk cubby. Also had to remove the housing on the bottom card to be able to use the 3.0 USB port. I may lower the feet or try a suspending the radiator lower. It won't go direct on top due to the Dark's heat sink in that area.
     
     


    Looks good...
     
    Have you by chance unplugged those two fans on top just to see what difference in temps there is if you're only using a push setup vs push/pull?  Just curious what the temp difference would be.  With you running such a high OC, it's probaly needed though...


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/12 18:39:59 (permalink)
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    That's a really nice looking case, especially for $85 or so. I'm considering building a PC for a family member, and don't want to spend more than $100 on a case, but needs to be full tower ATX. How would you rate it in terms of ease of build?


    It's one of the easiest as far as plenty of room and easy to hide the cables. The only negative thing was the instruction book was just some simple words and pictures, no real instructions. It was easy to figure on my own. It's very Modular so you can remove things you don't need. I am very glad I purchased it. I am getting the touch screen fan control and temp monitor next. It fits in the spare 5 1/4" bay and looks cool.
     

     
    bdary Have you by chance unplugged those two fans on top just to see what difference in temps there is if you're only using a push setup vs push/pull?  Just curious what the temp difference would be.  With you running such a high OC, it's probably needed though...

     
    Funny you should mention that as I pulled them off this morning before leaving for work. So far with normal use I do not see a difference. I did observe while my daughter played YouTube videos,  the system stayed most at 12X and briefly jumps to 15x, so not a real test. Will see what it does with Intel Burn test.
     
    So it survived with maybe 1 degree higher at 39X125.
     

     
    Here is a shot of the rear LED lamp.
     
     
     
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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/13 07:03:30 (permalink)
    If you don't have a heavy load on your CPU, running with just a push setup should work fine.  If you run IBT or something that keeps your CPU load up high for extended periods, then the push/pull would reduce temps bit.
     
    If my push/pull config didn't fit inside my case so nice, I wouldn't hesitate eliminating the pull fans for my normal use...


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/13 10:40:29 (permalink)
    I typically run P/P for 2 reasons.  1)  when under heavy load I can get it cooler than way, and 2) because I run fan controllers and getting more fans at a 1000-1200RPM range is quieter than less fans at 15400RPM to maintain the same temps.
    My controller of choice is the Lamptron FC5v2, the v3 has more features and looks nicer, but the v2 is EXTREMELY resilient for heavy load and keeps the voltage more stable to keep the fans at a constant rate.
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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/13 12:32:50 (permalink)
    I ordered the NZXT Sentry 3 last night before I read your replies; should arrive tomorrow for my B-day. It has a larger display than the Sentry 2 in the picture that is in my last post, but still touch screen. Dave that Lamptron looks good, but it's almost twice the price and not sure if it has an auto mode. Barely talked the wife into letting me have the Sentry. I have plenty of room inside for my P/P cooler, but with all that room  the cooling tubes are too short to reach over from the front or bottom of the case. That's the problem with closed loop systems. 
     
    Another thing I might try is to see if drilling my own mounting holes to clear the heat sink on the Dark is possible. Would probably only need to drill the holes nearest the glass side of the case. 
     
    So I ran Fire Strike 1.1 tonight and compared it to 2 other scores with the same CPU. One said it got it up to 5.6 G!! They had 980's in SLI so no chance to match their scores but my system did beat theirs in 2 categories for Phys-X. So I think I will keep the 460 card in the system for now and go for 3 way SLI later.
     
     
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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/14 09:46:38 (permalink)
    Yeah the v2 is around 60$ give or take, but I am also pulling close to 2 amps per channel, so I needed something hefty.  I personally never cared for the style of those touch controllers, too flashy for me.  But glad you got something, hope it works well, get us some pics when all is said and done.
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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/20 19:50:01 (permalink)
    So I got the controller installed. It looks good and works as advertised. I had a hard time deciding where to place the temp probe. I ended up removing the water block and lay it adjacent to the CPU under the retaining clip. More fun with Arctic Silver paste. It does not match exactly with what Real Temp reports but is a good governor for the fan controller. My only con against it is there seems to be no way to modify when the fans should kick up faster other than the P mode (performance mode). Even in that mode with the system running the Intel 10 count burn test and @ 4.875G, it would fail in the middle. If I manually set the two fans on the water cooler near max and leave the rest at 40-50%, it passes no problem. The sound is also not bad at all with that configuration. So now if I am only surfing the internet or watching videos, I use the Quite program ; if gaming, I switch back to manual mode because it remembers where you last set it. (I just don't bother with the P mode) Maybe if I go back to push/pull I will be able to use it.

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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/21 07:28:41 (permalink)
    Looks good bud...


     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/22 20:01:37 (permalink)
    Sweet build, the only thing missing is some sleeved cables :) 
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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/22 20:37:11 (permalink)
    catracho4lf
    Sweet build, the only thing missing is some sleeved cables :) 




    Thanks catracho4lf. Can I just add sleeving or do I need to replace them? Was think of buying better cables from Thermaltake since it's a modular PS.

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    Re: The Dark, setting SLI with Dedicated Phys-X card and Fluid Mark 2015/10/23 05:16:05 (permalink)
    Well, you can always buy a kit and do it yourself, which would be good for experience and just to say that you "sleeved your own cables", but it is tricky and it does take a lot a lot of time (depending on cables, how perfect you want it to be), there are some good sleeving guides.
     
    But I think it would be just easier to buy in the end...
    http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00002451 
     
    http://forums.evga.com/GUIDE-How-to-sleeve-your-powersupply-power-cable-m1392089.aspx
     
    Lutro0 has one of the best sleeving tutorials
    https://www.youtube.com/user/lutro0
     
     
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