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2015/07/31 05:32:12 (permalink)
I finally found an EK full coverage water block for one of my MSI GTX-980 Gaming 4G video boards. I only have room for my single 240mm radiator as far as I can see right now. What's the best way to route the flow from the pump? CPU to rad then video board sending the hot water to the reservoir or CPU to GPU then rad to res? By the time I can afford a water block for my other 980 I might be able to figure out how to squeeze a 120 rad where my air exhausts the upper rear of my case. After that I think I can ideally send water to the CPU, 120 rad, video boards, 240 rad and back to the res.
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/08/01 09:16:52 (permalink)
    Great question. Depending on your case/space limitations, I would just go for best fit until you get another rad and able to put a rad in front of the cpu and in front of the gpu. After looking at so many cases from build logs and competitions, they all had different configurations, so you might be "splitting hairs" trying to figure out the "best" way for your temporary loop until you get another rad.

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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/08/01 10:18:34 (permalink)
    I'm starting to think it might not matter since the coolant temp is probably uniform throughout the loop. I'm gonna shoot it straight into the CPU then into the GPU. After that I'll go into the rad and back into the res. I might even spring for the second waterblock on Monday. Nobody stocks the backplate which troubles me a little bit. IDK if the boards will start to sag from the weight without it. What I find encouraging is this build where he is doing all of his cooling with just a 120mm radiator: http://forums.evga.com/hi-x99-build-with-4-titian-m2361827.aspx
    I have a 240mm radiator and only two GTX-980s. http://www.ncixus.com/products/?sku=106134&vpn=3831109830413&manufacture=EK%20Water%20Blocks
    When my RMA replacement video board gets here Thursday along with at least one waterblock I'll be able to really crank out some Folding points. Woohoooo! Sorry, I get giddy just thinking about it!!

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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/08/01 10:47:12 (permalink)
    Zuhl3156the coolant temp is probably uniform throughout the loop



    It is. I did some testing on sig #1 with unigine at max + pump & fans at min speed (all PWM=easy) ; I put a temp probe before CPU, and another one after GPUs. Result : delta T = 4 to five Celcius. I knew that, but I wanted to see.
     
    "Normal" pump and fan speeds : no relevant difference considering probes calibration (Arduino, heated water, NTC probes, and reference thermocouple : no perfect linearity, no perfect compensation math, at best +- 1 or 2 degrees). Pump speed makes more difference than fan speeds. Did these tests because unlike most people here, I want minimum noise, not minimum temps. Just looking for water temp < 50°C because of the pump specs. But I do not oc, and it probably makes a huge difference...

    why make it simple when it can be complicated ????
     
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/08/01 11:35:19 (permalink)
    You have come to the correct conclusion component placement with in a loop matters little once temps normalize. However I'd be more concerned about air flow through rads and flow rate/restrictions which can make all the difference in the world in terms of how well a loop performs. One without the other will results with an unsatisfactory outcome.
     
    Water blocks, fittings, tubing, and length of loop all play a role with restriction. 90 degree fitting being the most restrictive but so too are flow rate indicators and even some reservoirs. Some say loop flow going through a rad slower has a beneficial effect, I say hogwash because it it also lingering in that restrictive block where the source of heat is, hence building more heat that needs dissipated, plus it causes the pump to work harder, which is another source of heat in a loop, working harder equals more heat. Bottom line IMHO best flow rate you can get makes for a happy camper.   
     
    Type of fans and how they are attenuated and filtered, if carefully selected and implemented, make a huge difference. If you have excellent coolant flow rate loop and are not getting rid of the heat because there isn't enough air flowing over the radiator fins, which is what dissipates the heat, you've accomplished Nada. So again I say one is as important as the other.
     

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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/08/01 12:02:55 (permalink)
    I use Noctua NF-F12 fans so airflow shouldn't be a problem. Rather than expanding the Swiftech H220 which uses 3/8" hoses I went with 1/2"Id so flow rate shouldn't be a problem either. All parts are listed in my Mods Rigs page.
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/08/04 13:18:47 (permalink)
    The Swiftech is good with little to no pressure, and Noctuas are good, but there are better fans out there, however with this setup I do not see an issue at all, this should run well.
     
    Now to what Owcraftsman said he is right on the money.  If you are going for absolute best numbers, I have seen 1-3c drop on a component by messing with the order of things, but largely it is all the same.  The fan is just as important as the restriction level, having a fan that is not paired well to the radiator, like the old Feser Monsta, that thing was HUGE, and I have seen them in action with top notch fans, however I kept seeing "reviews" showing terrible performance, then you look at the fan and you have a CM R4 on it, no static pressure at all.  Restrictions are killers so is not enough airflow/pressure through your rads, as with everything, it's all about balance.
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/08/04 13:51:02 (permalink)
    The Swiftech pump was initially defective and its RMA replacement should be here tomorrow. The flow was so good it left a whirlpool in the res but it was noisy as all get out. RMA replacent 980 from MSI should be here Thursday. Waterblock and backplates coming from Performance PCs should be here before Friday. Biggest concern is the waterblock from NCIX which seems to be sitting somewhere collecting dust since Friday without moving.
     

     

     
     
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/08/09 11:44:28 (permalink)
    I decided to keep the CPU on the Swiftech H220 and make a separate loop for the video boards hoping for better results.
    Step #1 was to stuff the 240mm radiator in the bottom of my case and it was a chore. The lighting didn't let me take a really good pic:
     

     
    One video board down and one to go whenever NCIX's shipment gets here:
     

     

     

     
     
     
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/08/27 16:19:31 (permalink)
    Well, I trimmed the hoses and put the anti-kink coils on the H220. Remind me to never crack open another AIO. It took me almost three hours to bleed all of the air out of it. Better pic coming on Saturday or Sunday but you get the idea. Yes, I know I need to space the coils out better.
     

     
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/08/29 08:15:38 (permalink)
    It looks like I got a reprieve until Tuesday since my coils didn't arrive today as scheduled. That's what I hate about Performance PCs. Their shipping is way overpriced and slower than snailsnot.
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/08/29 08:40:41 (permalink)
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    It looks like I got a reprieve until Tuesday since my coils didn't arrive today as scheduled. That's what I hate about Performance PCs. Their shipping is way overpriced and slower than snailsnot.

     
    I used to like dealing with Frozencpu.com before They got all messed up. It's getting hard to find/buy any aftermarket products anymore at the remaining sites that still offer fair pricing/shipping for their services.
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/08/29 08:54:20 (permalink)
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    It looks like I got a reprieve until Tuesday since my coils didn't arrive today as scheduled. That's what I hate about Performance PCs. Their shipping is way overpriced and slower than snailsnot.

     
    I used to like dealing with Frozenpc.com before They got all messed up. It's getting hard to find/buy any aftermarket products anymore at the remaining sites that still offer fair pricing/shipping for their services.


    Amazon is starting to carry some more specialty watercooling parts. That's where I got my Swiftech pump/res combo, radiator, hoses and clamps. I had a bunch of links to parts at FrozenCPU but never ordered anything and then suddenly everyone was telling horror stories about them. There is a new site I think it's called MyMods in NY but they're new so I went with Performance PCs. I've had this project hanging for 7 weeks because MSI sent me a bum video board. This is the stuff that Freddy Krueger movies are made of.
     
    EDIT: Amazon has these now and their Prime eligible. http://www.amazon.com/PrimoChill-Anti-Kink-Coils-4in-Pearl/dp/B000ZEICBA/ref=sr_1_20?ie=UTF8&qid=1440863796&sr=8-20&keywords=anti-kink+coils
     
    post edited by Zuhl3156 - 2015/08/29 09:40:23
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/08/29 23:16:15 (permalink)
    Zuhl3156
     
    Amazon is starting to carry some more specialty watercooling parts. That's where I got my Swiftech pump/res combo, radiator, hoses and clamps. I had a bunch of links to parts at FrozenCPU but never ordered anything and then suddenly everyone was telling horror stories about them. There is a new site I think it's called MyMods in NY but they're new so I went with Performance PCs. I've had this project hanging for 7 weeks because MSI sent me a bum video board. This is the stuff that Freddy Krueger movies are made of.
     
    EDIT: Amazon has these now and their Prime eligible. http://www.amazon.com/PrimoChill-Anti-Kink-Coils-4in-Pearl/dp/B000ZEICBA/ref=sr_1_20?ie=UTF8&qid=1440863796&sr=8-20&keywords=anti-kink+coils
     





    Microcenter's carrying more EK stuff now, and at least our local store seems to be finding more stuff to resupply the bare watercooling shelves since FrozenCPU imploded.
     
    ModMyMods (oy, that name ), is a new shop that was formed by the employees of FrozenCPU. They're legit, but just getting off the ground, so they may not have a lot of stock yet.  http://www.bit-tech.net/news/modding/2015/08/17/ex-frozen-cpu-staff-to-open-modmymods/1
     
     
     
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/08/30 07:26:57 (permalink)
    Amazons coils are Prime eligible. I would have had them a week ago but they didn't have them in stock last week. OMG, every time I look in my PC I think of Beetlejuice!
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/08/31 08:29:45 (permalink)
    Performance PCs does it again. Not only did they send the wrong size but the wrong color too. I ordered the 3/4" and got the 5/8" on the left. I reordered the 3/4" so I wouldn't have to wait and they sent 1/2" shown on the right. Performance PCs will never see another nickel from me. If anyone here is dumb enough to buy from them you'll get what you deserve not what you ordered.
     

     
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/08/31 08:54:06 (permalink)
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    Performance PCs does it again. Not only did they send the wrong size but the wrong color too. I ordered the 3/4" and got the 5/8" on the left. I reordered the 3/4" so I wouldn't have to wait and they sent 1/2" shown on the right. Performance PCs will never see another nickel from me. If anyone here is dumb enough to buy from them you'll get what you deserve not what you ordered.
     

     


    I have never had an issue with them.... I didn't have issues with aquacomputer and after multiple complaints, AC corrected their issue and the whole time Performance was there to help.

    I am sorry to hear your aren't having good luck with them.
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/08/31 09:03:06 (permalink)
    So far Performance PCs has taken $30 from me and sent me useless parts. Now they won't answer their phone or respond to their email. I'll never have any issues with them again I can promise you that. I hope it was worth it to them.
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/08/31 16:07:34 (permalink)
    They will get back to you I have no doubt just be patient but that's the one thing I hate about them when they make a mistake they make you pay for it. I've made many many orders over the years from them and occasionally rare really they make a mistake and make you pay to return it. When it 's a $5 part it's hardly worth it and you are basically forced to eat it and reorder. They really need to change that policy. I've almost swore them off a few times but I can use there cheapest shipping method USPS and still have it in no more than 2 days since I'm not to far away (150 miles) which keeps me coming back for more. 

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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/08/31 17:03:09 (permalink)
    They just sent me an invoice and after telling them three times that I need the 3/4" anti-link coils they're trying to give me 5/8" coils again. Is it that hard to tell someone that they are out of stock? I can get the right coils from Amazon and get them here in two days with Prime shipping. I am finished with Performance PCs and anyone else who orders from them should take heed and order no more! "PC enthusiasts of the world unite and boycott Performance PCs!"
     

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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/09/01 17:26:53 (permalink)
    WOW, that's rough.  I have had a few problems with them, had to go back and forth 3 times to get them to understand "I ordered waterblocks for EVGA E758/E768 motherboard, here is the invoice that states this, you sent me blocks for a E760/770 Classified, these a re wrong"  they kept telling me I did it wrong and ordered the wrong item.  After several days, they got it fixed.  Honestly I have ordered a LOT through them over the years, and their mistake rate is low, but when they screw up it all  "NOPE, you did it wrong we aren't covering you" kinda crap. The worst was actually I had a BitsPower Rotary fitting leak like crazy out of the box, leaked form the rotary portion.  I still rave about those, had one bad item in YEARS of components, but BitsPower said oh sorry, work with the vendor and get it replaced, PerformancePCs said no go through BitsPower...... had to email both BitsPower said go through them, then PPC wanted me to pay for shipping.  In the end 99% of what I ordered was without issue.
    Honestly I had WAY more problems with some others, likely shouldn't say in public as I am a company rep here, no reply for weeks at a time, tons of emails, finally sent an ANGRY email, still professional, but rather angry as they were sitting on several hundred dollars, all I got was "wow, that was quite a rant.  TLDR, whats the problem?" 
     
    Aside from Amazon, where else are you looking for your WC gear at?  The market has thinned in that area quite a bit over the last few years, so I am always onm the lookout for the next new shop to get all my stuff from.
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/09/01 17:44:48 (permalink)
    I really wanted an EK full cover waterblock for my 980s and found it at NCIX. The transaction was a PITA because they billed it from Canada and my bank denied the transaction and put a fraud alert on my debit card. I had to call my bank and have them override the out of country bit and repurchase the items. http://www.ncixus.com/
    NCIX didn't have the EK backplates but Performance PCs did and that's when everything started to go down hill. At least they got all of the EK parts right.
    I got my Swiftech H220 from NCIX and when it failed they put the RMA through for me so I wouldn't have to deal with Swiftech directly. That was nice of them. Every time I look for anything watercooling I find more and more available from Amazon. Amazon is going to be my first stop from now on. The Prime 2-day free shipping can't be beat.
    Performance PCs answered my email questioning the 5/8" coil part number and he assured me that he went back into the warehouse and personally pulled the parts off the shelf to make sure I got the right 3/4" coils this time. We shall see! Right or wrong I think I'm done with Performance PCs for good.
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/09/05 08:53:08 (permalink)
    OK, here we go again...
    Finally got the right anti-kink coils from Amazon yesterday. Still nothing from Performance PCs in the mail today. The moral of the story is if you want something and need your parts in a timely fashion do NOT get them from Performance PCs. It actually took longer getting the coils on the hoses than assembling the rest of the loop. The radiator was already installed in the bottom of my case.
     
    1) Here are my video boards with the EK waterblocks attached and the Swiftech pump/res unit trembling in fear waiting for me to get around to installing them...
     

     
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/09/05 08:57:41 (permalink)
    2) Here are the video boards installed with a short stubby hose joining them together. Although they stopped trembling after I tightened the screws I can still hear them squealing with delight waiting for some nice fresh coolant to quench their thirst...
     

     
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/09/05 09:00:03 (permalink)
    3) Here we have everything assembled waiting for me to muster up enough courage to fire it up and hope there aren't any leaks...
     

     
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/09/05 09:01:26 (permalink)
    4) Here is a front view waiting for me to decide if I want an LED in the reservoir or not...
     

     
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/09/05 09:03:10 (permalink)
    5) Here is the finished result with no leaks and everything purring like a kitten...
     

     
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/09/05 12:21:10 (permalink)
    Very Nice, Glad you finally got all the right components to finish your Build!
     
    I have a Secondary EVGA X58 Gaming Computer I use in a older style case, But as you have seen with my recent Benching Rigs, I haven't used a fully enclosed case for quite some time, Mainly due to the fact that everything just wouldn't Fit! LOL
     
    Have you had a chance to run any Games/Benches and check any temps under load yet?

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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/09/05 12:48:10 (permalink)
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    Have you had a chance to run any Games/Benches and check any temps under load yet?


    I just ran my benchmarks again. I used the 355.82 drivers and ramped my voltage as high as I could in Afterburner at +87v for a total of 1.262v at full load. I gained 26 MHz on my core clock without changing anything else. I'm sure I can get higher overclocks now. I just got my best scores yet with temps in Firestrike peaking at 42°C and 3DMark11 temps peaking at 47°C with core clocks boosting to 1526 MHz. That's better than a 30° decrease on my primary board. I just updated my Mods/Rigs page with the latest scores. There was no throttling at all like I was getting on air. I know my scores will go up even higher if I use k-boost.
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    Re: CPU GPU cooling question... 2015/09/05 13:41:58 (permalink)
    Temps are looking Great, Especially running at 1.262v under Load. With all the problems I've read about/had with running the newer drivers with 980 Ti series cards, I wouldn't use anything higher than 353.62 for Benching.
     
    You could get Much higher scores in Fire Strike if you install Windows 8.1. Windows 7 is fine for 3DMark 11 and older Benchmark Programs.
     
    I would install it on a separate SSD or HDD (if you have a spare drive handy) and just use that drive for Testing/Benching purposes. 

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