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It's so useless to make a modern and GOOD itx board today, that does not have: a) at least 2 M.2 slots with PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe support with RAID options. => where the hell is one going to use smallest ever form factor disks when not in ITX builds? in ATX maybe where is plenty of room to add any number of actual PCIe cards and huge sata drives? are you mad? => YOU DON'T HAVE ANY!b) Thunderbolt 3 port. // or at bare minimum USB 3.1 type-c port. => YOU DON'T HAVE either! things you got correct: Intel i219-V NIC; 7.1 audio jacks; CPU positioning is superb for huge dualtower coolers, like Noctua NH-D15S and NH-D14. ou... and you ask 200$ for this pathetic nonsense withoout even single usable M.2 slot? seriously guys. Sit, F! Go back to drawing board and start from scratch!
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/08/27 11:38:40
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Thanks for the feedback, this particular board was designed to meet a very specific price/performance target. We can definitely re-evaluate in future. USB 3.1 Type C is not native to the chipset so would require additional controller cost.
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/08/28 00:10:53
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DEEM0N
It's so useless to make a modern and GOOD itx board today, that does not have:
a) at least 2 M.2 slots with PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe support with RAID options. => where the hell is one going to use smallest ever form factor disks when not in ITX builds? in ATX maybe where is plenty of room to add any number of actual PCIe cards and huge sata drives? are you mad? => YOU DON'T HAVE ANY!
b) Thunderbolt 3 port. // or at bare minimum USB 3.1 type-c port. => YOU DON'T HAVE either!
things you got correct: Intel i219-V NIC; 7.1 audio jacks; CPU positioning is superb for huge dualtower coolers, like Noctua NH-D15S and NH-D14.
ou... and you ask 200$ for this pathetic nonsense withoout even single usable M.2 slot? seriously guys. Sit, F!
Go back to drawing board and start from scratch!
Who cares about USB 3.1? theirs hardly any products that even use 3.1.
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/08/28 00:19:08
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DEEM0N
It's so useless to make a modern and GOOD itx board today, that does not have:
a) at least 2 M.2 slots with PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe support with RAID options. => where the hell is one going to use smallest ever form factor disks when not in ITX builds? in ATX maybe where is plenty of room to add any number of actual PCIe cards and huge sata drives? are you mad? => YOU DON'T HAVE ANY!
b) Thunderbolt 3 port. // or at bare minimum USB 3.1 type-c port. => YOU DON'T HAVE either!
things you got correct: Intel i219-V NIC; 7.1 audio jacks; CPU positioning is superb for huge dualtower coolers, like Noctua NH-D15S and NH-D14.
ou... and you ask 200$ for this pathetic nonsense withoout even single usable M.2 slot? seriously guys. Sit, F!
Go back to drawing board and start from scratch!
Who cares about USB 3.1? theirs hardly any products that even use 3.1.
Since many users keep their motherboards for several years it is understandable why the user would want this
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/08/28 14:58:42
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It would be nice to have had the sata ports on the other side of the memory about the power connector.
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/08/28 15:04:38
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RetrogamerX
DEEM0N
It's so useless to make a modern and GOOD itx board today, that does not have:
a) at least 2 M.2 slots with PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe support with RAID options. => where the hell is one going to use smallest ever form factor disks when not in ITX builds? in ATX maybe where is plenty of room to add any number of actual PCIe cards and huge sata drives? are you mad? => YOU DON'T HAVE ANY!
b) Thunderbolt 3 port. // or at bare minimum USB 3.1 type-c port. => YOU DON'T HAVE either!
things you got correct: Intel i219-V NIC; 7.1 audio jacks; CPU positioning is superb for huge dualtower coolers, like Noctua NH-D15S and NH-D14.
ou... and you ask 200$ for this pathetic nonsense withoout even single usable M.2 slot? seriously guys. Sit, F!
Go back to drawing board and start from scratch!
Who cares about USB 3.1? there's hardly any products that even use 3.1.
^ this as well as Thunderbolt
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/08/28 21:05:22
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I haven't bought an EVGA motherboard in years... For a reason.
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/08/28 21:11:41
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chrisdglong
I haven't bought an EVGA motherboard in years... For a reason.
The x79 Dark is the only one I own.. Tried the x99 micro, and that was a no go. So +1 to chrisdglong
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/08/28 21:20:18
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All my Evga Motherboards, and other items have worked for many years. I have no problems with them.
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/08/29 09:53:06
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RetrogamerX
DEEM0N
It's so useless to make a modern and GOOD itx board today, that does not have:
a) at least 2 M.2 slots with PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe support with RAID options. => where the hell is one going to use smallest ever form factor disks when not in ITX builds? in ATX maybe where is plenty of room to add any number of actual PCIe cards and huge sata drives? are you mad? => YOU DON'T HAVE ANY!
b) Thunderbolt 3 port. // or at bare minimum USB 3.1 type-c port. => YOU DON'T HAVE either!
things you got correct: Intel i219-V NIC; 7.1 audio jacks; CPU positioning is superb for huge dualtower coolers, like Noctua NH-D15S and NH-D14.
ou... and you ask 200$ for this pathetic nonsense withoout even single usable M.2 slot? seriously guys. Sit, F!
Go back to drawing board and start from scratch!
Who cares about USB 3.1? theirs hardly any products that even use 3.1.
That will change within 6-10months, lets not forget that people tend to keep a system for 5+ years. I'm still using system i built in 2009 (EVGA X58). chrisdglong
I haven't bought an EVGA motherboard in years... For a reason.
I can see why people don't purchase EVGA motherboards. EVGA doesn't make it easy for people to support them. The only mobo they make that has USB 3.1 is $400 Z170 Classified, while other mfg sell mobo's with USB 3.1 support under $230. It doesn't matter how good a company customer service is, if they can't make a competitive product at reasonable price, they won't receive my business.
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/08/29 09:58:32
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ah la la la all people want....
4 M2 ultra , 4x16 full for quad sli ,12 x usb3.1 wifi ACK and 10gb killer for game ..... all in small price and small size...
Z690 classified start build X299 DARK 7900X 7740x soon 7980X X299 APEX X299 rampage Extreme E762 W3520@4.2 E679 2600k E760 X980 E761 I920 E770 I950 and SR2's and SRX's Z87 classified , MVIE built with 4770K Z97 classified , ftw Z97 , MFVII only wait for gigabyte LN2 X99 series.... classified , FTW , RE5 , oc formula, profesional , X11 , soc force , msi gaming9ack X79 classified, dark and RIVE, RIVBE,, xtreme11 and many classified a panel from EVGA no just one sample and other DFI giga etc 
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/08/29 10:33:59
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It has already been posted that the classified 3.0 can run at 3.1... Or at least I thought so. I will have to look.. If I can find it, I will quote it. That took 5 Seconds: EVGA_JacobF
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I/O panel has six 3.0 USB ports ..why give us a 3.0 header bracket when we desperately need a 3.1? Or is the manual wrong?
The USB 3.0 header bracket can also operate as 3.1
So the Complaint that the classified doesn't have 3.1 is a moot point.
post edited by Scarlet-Tech - 2015/08/29 10:36:21
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/08/29 10:50:10
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And usually complain people with i7-5930K and i7-5960X even if they could for 30$ ASRock USB 3.1 card with both type of connectors on same card, A+C. With their 40 lanes from CPU I don't see problem to someone Install such card. Problem is for people with i7-5820K.
EVGA X99 Classified have PCI-Ex4 slot he is ideal for USB 3.1 Port card. And even they could install 2 graphic cards Sound Card and M.2.
I would not even think about Internal USB 3.1 with 40 lanes CPU.
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/08/29 11:56:30
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Hey Jacob - if you're taking suggestions for a Z170 Stinger iteration, here's a few: - I would love to see the Core3D audio on there instead, and relatively easily done? The layout appears very similar to the Z87 Stinger. Still not sure why EVGA didn't stick with it (Core3D I mean).
- For those who don't need the WiFi and would prefer to use the M.2 slot for an SSD, a version with M.2 key M or else B to use SATA support (seeing as the CPU has only 16 PCIe lanes) would be great.
- BIOS update to enable legacy mode to enable USB 2.0 support needed asap. Don't know how this was overlooked.
- As you said, USB3.1 needs an additional controller but don't see much room there for it..
Thanks.
post edited by Nereus - 2015/08/29 12:03:19
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/08/29 12:34:53
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I have classified Z170 and you have a header for 2x usb3.1
you want just 1 type A and C on the rear.... better is for use on front of the case .....personaly I prefer the front for easy use with usb drive or other
and for 10€ is easy to buy adapter A to C usb3.1
Z690 classified start build X299 DARK 7900X 7740x soon 7980X X299 APEX X299 rampage Extreme E762 W3520@4.2 E679 2600k E760 X980 E761 I920 E770 I950 and SR2's and SRX's Z87 classified , MVIE built with 4770K Z97 classified , ftw Z97 , MFVII only wait for gigabyte LN2 X99 series.... classified , FTW , RE5 , oc formula, profesional , X11 , soc force , msi gaming9ack X79 classified, dark and RIVE, RIVBE,, xtreme11 and many classified a panel from EVGA no just one sample and other DFI giga etc
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/08/29 19:09:49
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MSim
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DEEM0N
It's so useless to make a modern and GOOD itx board today, that does not have:
a) at least 2 M.2 slots with PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe support with RAID options. => where the hell is one going to use smallest ever form factor disks when not in ITX builds? in ATX maybe where is plenty of room to add any number of actual PCIe cards and huge sata drives? are you mad? => YOU DON'T HAVE ANY!
b) Thunderbolt 3 port. // or at bare minimum USB 3.1 type-c port. => YOU DON'T HAVE either!
things you got correct: Intel i219-V NIC; 7.1 audio jacks; CPU positioning is superb for huge dualtower coolers, like Noctua NH-D15S and NH-D14.
ou... and you ask 200$ for this pathetic nonsense withoout even single usable M.2 slot? seriously guys. Sit, F!
Go back to drawing board and start from scratch!
Who cares about USB 3.1? theirs hardly any products that even use 3.1.
That will change within 6-10months, lets not forget that people tend to keep a system for 5+ years. I'm still using system i built in 2009 (EVGA X58).
chrisdglong
I haven't bought an EVGA motherboard in years... For a reason.
I can see why people don't purchase EVGA motherboards.
EVGA doesn't make it easy for people to support them. The only mobo they make that has USB 3.1 is $400 Z170 Classified, while other mfg sell mobo's with USB 3.1 support under $230. It doesn't matter how good a company customer service is, if they can't make a competitive product at reasonable price, they won't receive my business.
Their motherboards have been plagued with issues. I have followed the forums and their motherboards have been junk.
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/08/29 20:32:41
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Actually I'm upset because when I bought my Z170 ASRock I could of saved $15 by getting the K6 versus the K6+. The difference? The K6+ comes with a 5.25 adapter which has a USB 3.1 slot.
Now for anybody more familiar with the 3.1 than I am. Will that adapter work with any motherboard? If so then I need to sell it because I won't use mine. lol
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/08/30 21:48:14
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Just like the OP said... MSi installed the m.2 on the back of this board featured here: http://www.techpowerup.co...i-itx-motherboard.htmlI didn't think there would be enough room between the board and the tray. Maybe evga will take this into consideration as the OP suggested.
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/08/30 22:17:22
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Scarlet-Tech
Just like the OP said... MSi installed the m.2 on the back of this board featured here:
http://www.techpowerup.co...i-itx-motherboard.html
I didn't think there would be enough room between the board and the tray. Maybe evga will take this into consideration as the OP suggested.
I'm sure they will but they're not going to redesign a board that's already made to accommodate this, though I could be wrong.
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/08/30 22:58:09
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No, I wasn't meaning immediately.. Hopefully in the future they consider this addition though.
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/08/30 23:01:30
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Scarlet-Tech
No, I wasn't meaning immediately.. Hopefully in the future they consider this addition though.
Oh yea, definitely. They need to take quite a few things into consideration lol.
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/08/30 23:12:48
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I can do without the USB 3.1 Type C and Thunderbolt on the Stinger, but I could really go for a mini form factor motherboard that includes the Creative audio found on the Z170 Classified board. Cost effective design with superb audio is a sale from me at least. Everyone has their own preferences, cant expect them to satisfy everyone. Irregardless, I am waiting until PCI-e 4.0 launches, not having the same thing happen when I bought my P55 w/ PCI-e 2.0 right before P56 w/ PCI-e 3.0 launches.
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/09/25 12:53:48
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since the Samsung 950 Pro SSD (M.2, NVMe) were recently released, the flawed design of the Z170 gets even more relevant. I really don't understand, why EVGA did not implement a M.2 slot (PCIe 3.0 4x) on the Stinger. EVGA could have put on the back (like MSI or Asrock) or use an extra daughterboard like Asus (Z87/Z97 Maximus Impact mainboards). Those daughterboard could be aligned to the PEG slot or the DIMM slots.
And about USB 3.1... I don't need it. But such an expensive product like the Stinger series could use the premium Intel Alpine Ridge chip. This could be used as well to realize HDMI 2.0 via IGP.
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Re: EVGA, take notes ... Stinger design failures
2015/09/26 09:36:39
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I'm sure they will in the next generation at least.
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