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X58 Classified 3 (E770) + Win 10 + native Hyper-V = fail?

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2015/02/24 14:31:25 (permalink)
Howdy, folks.  Been a while.
 
So, I'm trying to clean install Windows 10 on my machine as listed below in my signature - the only things that have changed are the monitors, everything else is pretty much as listed.
 
The Corsair and Intel Cherryville 520 SSDs are on the Marvell SATA III ports, Corsair being primary, Intel being secondary.  I install Win 10 to the Corsair, with all other HDs (except the Intel) being disconnected (the beauty of hot swap bays in the Level 10 GT).  I can have my BIOS set up pretty much any way that I want, default options, my optimized settings, Dummy OCing on / off, Turbo on / off, SATA mode set to AHCI, the last BIOS released being installed, and Win 10 installs fine.  However, the following scenario happens every time regardless of how I start my install - default settings, optimized settings, selected optimized settings....
 
To enable Hyper-V in win 10, you have to go to Programs and Features --> Turn Windows features on or off, and enable it from there.  If Virtualization Technology is not enabled in the BIOS it will not let you enable the Hyper-V Platform part of the feature.  If I have installed Win 10 with optimized settings, both are enabled, so I can immediately enabled all facets of Hyper-V.  If I have used the default settings, with leaves Execute Disable Bit enabled but disabled Virtualization Technology, then I have to reboot the computer, go into the BIOS, and enable VT before trying to enable all facets of Hyper-V.  Either way, I enable it all, and go to reboot.
 
Here is where it gets interesting.  If I have Execute Disable Bit enabled, then after enabling Hyper-V and rebooting, the system goes into a boot loop, eventually throwing me into Automatic Repair.  If I disable Execute Disable Bit, then the system will be able to boot fine.  However, with Execute Disable Bit disabled, Hyper-V Manager will run, but when you try to load a VM, you get an error message stating that both VT and EDB have to be enabled.
 
Now, here comes the tricky part.  If I go back and enable Execute Disable Bit, the system will not hang, but in fact boots up - but Hyper-V still thinks that EDB is disabled.
 
Ive been trying this every single day for multiple hours per day for the last week, trying to see if any particular BIOS setting is affecting it, if allowing it to update drivers after install affects it, if installation of any programs affects it - all to no avail.  So, I've started researching - and I've found that the X58 platform made by other manufacturers (particularly GigaByte) has had many a problem with Hyper-V, dating back to Win Server 2008 days.
 
The most poignant one that I found, which seems to explain the problem best, is this thread:  https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/089ed41b-a451-4ddd-9b7c-a11088986f09/problems-with-hyperv-failing-on-intels-new-x58-platform-with-an-intel-i7-920-processor?forum=winserverhyperv - it seems that Gigabyte had to release a BIOS that addressed a particular facet of their implementation of VT on that platform so that Hyper-V would not fail.
 
So, with all that said - is it a possibility that our X58 mobos also are susceptible to this phenomenon, and that it has somehow just slipped through the cracks?
 
I realize that this is by no means a new mobo, nor a very powerful system - it does what I want it to, and what I need it to, and yes, I could go out and spend several hundreds of dollars on a new mobo, RAM, and CPU and have a much more up to date system - but I would like to get it working as I have it right now, if at all possible.
 
So, eVGA gurus - what should I tackle next to get this working?  And what other info would you like for me to pass on in here to help the troubleshooting process?


 
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    Re: X58 Classified 3 (E770) + Win 10 + native Hyper-V = fail? 2015/02/24 15:32:39 (permalink)
    Time for a Bios Update, but then you could wait for the RTM Version.

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    Re: X58 Classified 3 (E770) + Win 10 + native Hyper-V = fail? 2015/02/25 16:25:06 (permalink)
    Yanno, that has me thinking - maybe I should double verify the numbers and make sure I am running 82/83 on there in the first place...
     
    Otherwise, doubt I am gonna get a BIOS update - last one was, oh, 3.5 years ago. :P


     
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    Re: X58 Classified 3 (E770) + Win 10 + native Hyper-V = fail? 2015/03/10 20:17:16 (permalink)
    why are you stuck on Hyper-V? Wouldn't VMware work?
     
    I'm running Windows 8 and VMware without issues. I wouldn't had thought Win10 would be any different.
     
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    Re: X58 Classified 3 (E770) + Win 10 + native Hyper-V = fail? 2015/08/04 19:27:05 (permalink)
    Just bumping this since I'm getting almost the same problem on RTM using a X58 SLI motherboard, haven't had issues with hyper-v until windows 10. After hyper-v is turned on with virtualization enabled, as soon as windows restarts twice to install it goes straight to a bootloop. Haven't messed with it much since this.
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    Re: X58 Classified 3 (E770) + Win 10 + native Hyper-V = fail? 2015/08/04 22:41:04 (permalink)
    You're not allowed to bump threads on the EVGA forums

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    Re: X58 Classified 3 (E770) + Win 10 + native Hyper-V = fail? 2015/08/04 22:42:46 (permalink)
    flisk00
    Just bumping this since I'm getting almost the same problem on RTM using a X58 SLI motherboard, haven't had issues with hyper-v until windows 10. After hyper-v is turned on with virtualization enabled, as soon as windows restarts twice to install it goes straight to a bootloop. Haven't messed with it much since this.


    In this situation my personal recommendation is to post this on the Microsoft Windows 10 forum

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    Re: X58 Classified 3 (E770) + Win 10 + native Hyper-V = fail? 2015/08/07 07:55:52 (permalink)
    I'm running the public release enterprise version on my workstation - licensed through my workplace.
    Have the exact same issues as OP in this thread.
    X58 SLI, i7 930, 16gb ram, OCZ Vertex SSD.
     
    Windows 10 runs great on the hardware, updated to latest windows updates.
     
    As soon as you enabled Hyper-V and reboot, it installed the Hyper-V role, reboots again, and that's it - boot loop.
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    Re: X58 Classified 3 (E770) + Win 10 + native Hyper-V = fail? 2015/08/11 15:42:30 (permalink)
    I'm having the same issue with the X58 141-bl-e757 motherboard with an Intel 980x CPU.  System runs Windows 10 like a charm until Virtualization Technology (VT) bios setting is enabled.  Will not boot with VT enabled.
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    Re: X58 Classified 3 (E770) + Win 10 + native Hyper-V = fail? 2015/08/15 06:18:33 (permalink)
    I'm have the same problem with boot loop on Windows 10 with my X58 SLI motherboard.   
    I see others with same problem posting on microsoft's technet board:
    "https://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/0ea633d5-0e70-4c9a-bd1e-b9c99aefc4ce/windows-10-x64-pro-infinite-reboot-loop-with-hyperv-enabled?forum=win10itprovirt"
     
     
     
     
    nkyadav
    Howdy, folks.  Been a while.
     
    So, I'm trying to clean install Windows 10 on my machine as listed below in my signature - the only things that have changed are the monitors, everything else is pretty much as listed.
     
    The Corsair and Intel Cherryville 520 SSDs are on the Marvell SATA III ports, Corsair being primary, Intel being secondary.  I install Win 10 to the Corsair, with all other HDs (except the Intel) being disconnected (the beauty of hot swap bays in the Level 10 GT).  I can have my BIOS set up pretty much any way that I want, default options, my optimized settings, Dummy OCing on / off, Turbo on / off, SATA mode set to AHCI, the last BIOS released being installed, and Win 10 installs fine.  However, the following scenario happens every time regardless of how I start my install - default settings, optimized settings, selected optimized settings....
     
    To enable Hyper-V in win 10, you have to go to Programs and Features --> Turn Windows features on or off, and enable it from there.  If Virtualization Technology is not enabled in the BIOS it will not let you enable the Hyper-V Platform part of the feature.  If I have installed Win 10 with optimized settings, both are enabled, so I can immediately enabled all facets of Hyper-V.  If I have used the default settings, with leaves Execute Disable Bit enabled but disabled Virtualization Technology, then I have to reboot the computer, go into the BIOS, and enable VT before trying to enable all facets of Hyper-V.  Either way, I enable it all, and go to reboot.
     
    Here is where it gets interesting.  If I have Execute Disable Bit enabled, then after enabling Hyper-V and rebooting, the system goes into a boot loop, eventually throwing me into Automatic Repair.  If I disable Execute Disable Bit, then the system will be able to boot fine.  However, with Execute Disable Bit disabled, Hyper-V Manager will run, but when you try to load a VM, you get an error message stating that both VT and EDB have to be enabled.
     
    Now, here comes the tricky part.  If I go back and enable Execute Disable Bit, the system will not hang, but in fact boots up - but Hyper-V still thinks that EDB is disabled.
     
    Ive been trying this every single day for multiple hours per day for the last week, trying to see if any particular BIOS setting is affecting it, if allowing it to update drivers after install affects it, if installation of any programs affects it - all to no avail.  So, I've started researching - and I've found that the X58 platform made by other manufacturers (particularly GigaByte) has had many a problem with Hyper-V, dating back to Win Server 2008 days.
     
    The most poignant one that I found, which seems to explain the problem best, is this thread:  - it seems that Gigabyte had to release a BIOS that addressed a particular facet of their implementation of VT on that platform so that Hyper-V would not fail.
     
    So, with all that said - is it a possibility that our X58 mobos also are susceptible to this phenomenon, and that it has somehow just slipped through the cracks?
     
    I realize that this is by no means a new mobo, nor a very powerful system - it does what I want it to, and what I need it to, and yes, I could go out and spend several hundreds of dollars on a new mobo, RAM, and CPU and have a much more up to date system - but I would like to get it working as I have it right now, if at all possible.
     
    So, eVGA gurus - what should I tackle next to get this working?  And what other info would you like for me to pass on in here to help the troubleshooting process?




    post edited by evgaChuck - 2015/08/15 06:20:55
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    Re: X58 Classified 3 (E770) + Win 10 + native Hyper-V = fail? 2015/08/20 13:00:43 (permalink)
    I am very curious what is really wrong with the EVGA x58 motherboards and why they seem to be compatible with some advanced virtualization. I could never get vmware ESXI to work on my e759 and got some interesting responses from form moderators and the evga support staff.
    http://forums.evga.com/es...1556022.aspx?high=esxi

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    Re: X58 Classified 3 (E770) + Win 10 + native Hyper-V = fail? 2016/03/31 18:43:07 (permalink)
    Not bumping the thread, but coming back to it after having done a ton of research and having found one specific case that might be applicable here.
     
    I'm currently an Insider Preview build tester, and now it seems that I don't get boot loops, but I do get system freezing --> random reboot.
     
    Another curiosity is that the no matter what steps I take to make it work, now, even after the preview builds almost a year old, my issue with Hyper-V lingers.
     
    Even Steve Gibson's Securable app shows that VT is disabled when I have it enabled in my BIOS.  So, I really think that the thread I linked to in the OP is worth investigating.  I think there is  break in the BIOS that was never fixed, in that my BIOS claims hat VT is enabled, when in fact it does not survive the booting process into Windows 10.  I'm not worried about newer machines, just this one, as I would like to turn it into a development box and use my newer machines for gaming and such, rather than the other way around.


     
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    Re: X58 Classified 3 (E770) + Win 10 + native Hyper-V = fail? 2016/04/05 13:17:37 (permalink)
    Well, I suppose that having this mobo being at its EOL means that there is probably no more support for it at all, right?
    *Sigh*


     
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    Re: X58 Classified 3 (E770) + Win 10 + native Hyper-V = fail? 2016/04/05 21:20:18 (permalink)
    Don't use Windows 10.  The motherboard isn't the problem.  The spyware masquerading as an OS is the problem.  Windows 7 or Linux will virtualize perfectly.  MS said they were cutting off support for not new hardware in Windows 10.  You are likely experiencing that effect.
     
    Don't blame the hardware manufacturer because microsoft sucks balls.  If you are sticking to Windows 10 because your are running a game that can only work on Windows 10, then I guess that's what you have to have.  But everything else runs on Linux or Win 7.  The purpose of running that OS is negated if it doesn't support your hardware, not the other way around.
     
    For example, this is on Linux Mint 17.3 & Oracle Virtualbox.
     
     
     
     
    post edited by EnochRoot - 2016/04/05 21:24:15

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    Re: X58 Classified 3 (E770) + Win 10 + native Hyper-V = fail? 2016/04/06 09:18:23 (permalink)
    Lol.  That is what XP users say about Windows 7.  You're not helping jack in this topic.
     
    If you read the original post I made, it is not Win10 not supporting the hardware, it is about a glitch in the BIOS that is not enabling VT-x correctly,  Thanks for playing, though.


     
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    Re: X58 Classified 3 (E770) + Win 10 + native Hyper-V = fail? 2016/04/19 08:03:07 (permalink)
    Either something I did in tinkering around has fixed it, or else Insider Preview Build 14316 like my computer better with the updated drivers.  Hyper-V


     
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