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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/03 03:39:58
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I'm going to hold off upgrading for awhile, let other people be the gennie pigs. It was just last year that i finally upgraded to Win7 over Vista.
This is exactly why I know for a fact that developers are going to hold off on locking DX12 on their programs so soon. Not that holding off upgrading is a bad thing, but this is what developers do when they start implementing new features in their products, they check the #s to see how many people actually have different operating systems, whether it's vista, 7, 8, and now 10. It's how it was with XP and 7. It's been so long before they started using DX11, because the tolls showed that people were still using XP (this was a huge huge %. Part of this % were also developers. Thank you, Bill Gates, for canning XP, good riddance...) and didn't bother to upgrade. I know someone is going to tell me right off that "Windows 10 is a free upgrade", true...BUt, it is "limited time offer". There is still going to be a massive amount of people that don't get the windows 10 upgrade for free, and then they will have to buy it, making them delay the upgrade, so it might make developers reconsider to fully lock DX12 on their programs. Granted, they may have the dx12 features for recommended settings, and keep DX11 for minimum settings. One perfect example is Just Cause 2... They locked DX 10 on the game so anyone who had XP, at that time,was not able to play it, and the company was scrutinized for it. So it made users have to create a patch that allowed DX 9 users to try and play Just Cause 2. I'm not sure if this ever worked though, I never tried it.
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/03 05:19:35
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I use tablet PCs since XP Tablet Edition 2005. Seven improved hand writing recognition. Did'nt test long enough with 10, will see... But Windows 10 gives a far better tablet experience than 7 or 8/8.1 ! Surface with 8.1 is a joke !
I have many machines, some are still with Win XP (LAN without WAN), no need to install everything else : I don't play with OS, I work with apps. Others have Seven, I did'nt change for 8. 8 is a total fail on Surface, and useless on desktop. But 10 is great, except for privacy, on tablet. Will not install on desktops : no need.
Now, have to do with SP3 + W10 what I've done with every OS : deactivate useless services, block unneeded outgoing connexions. Not sure it will be enough.
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/03 05:26:18
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Seriously? So they give you the option to deactivate some of their massive invasions of privacy, but then switch those options back with the next 'update'? That's just beyond low.. that's probably illegal.
People forget, you accept the user agreement to install the software... Did you read it? I don't. I know that for a fact. So, anyone that accepts the terms (if they are outlined in the TOS) is DEFINITELY giving them permission, making it ok for them to do this.
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/03 06:57:43
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Seriously? So they give you the option to deactivate some of their massive invasions of privacy, but then switch those options back with the next 'update'? That's just beyond low.. that's probably illegal.
People forget, you accept the user agreement to install the software... Did you read it? I don't. I know that for a fact.
So, anyone that accepts the terms (if they are outlined in the TOS) is DEFINITELY giving them permission, making it ok for them to do this.
It also states on the EULA, during the installation, that Microsoft can pull your license at anytime they choose, without notice. People forget that too.
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/03 07:24:30
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I have already been thinking about this for months, ever since i ran the Tech preview back in February, If I do decide to run Win10Pro, I see a dual board system case in my near future, with Win7Ult on my everyday browser and business board, and the other board with an upgraded or full version Win10Pro , neutered, leashed, and chained just for gaming/ DX-12 and other fun stuff, with "only" game related data on it! or, a duel boot system, with front mounted hot swap bays for removing and replacing the everyday browser and business hard drive before swapping it with the gaming hard drive / after a cold boot  just in case! I pretty much have everything I need anyway, just need a case to put it all in! Any suggestions for a case guys? may just use two I have, but I have been thinking about getting a duel anyway I like the Caselabs TX10 but maybe something a little smaller, and / or a little cheaper, I will post this on another thread just to find something..... Problems solved, at least for 5 years,
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/03 07:37:01
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Seriously? So they give you the option to deactivate some of their massive invasions of privacy, but then switch those options back with the next 'update'? That's just beyond low.. that's probably illegal.
People forget, you accept the user agreement to install the software... Did you read it? I don't. I know that for a fact.
So, anyone that accepts the terms (if they are outlined in the TOS) is DEFINITELY giving them permission, making it ok for them to do this.
It also states on the EULA, during the installation, that Microsoft can pull your license at anytime they choose, without notice. People forget that too.
Could you source this ? I did'nt find (OEM licence)...
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/03 07:42:41
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I just shut down my 10 desktop because of a process running in the background keeping cpu temps over 50C and using tons of resources. Normal temps are high20's-low30's. It was going on since last night. Windows Spotlight download/upload.....Are you kidding me MS? Is this part of the spyware thing? Interestingly it is not running on the rig with the preview. I'm holding off upgrading the Surface Pro because of things like this. This may actually ignite the Surface. Not good at all. 
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/03 08:17:55
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stalinx20
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Seriously? So they give you the option to deactivate some of their massive invasions of privacy, but then switch those options back with the next 'update'? That's just beyond low.. that's probably illegal.
People forget, you accept the user agreement to install the software... Did you read it? I don't. I know that for a fact.
So, anyone that accepts the terms (if they are outlined in the TOS) is DEFINITELY giving them permission, making it ok for them to do this.
It also states on the EULA, during the installation, that Microsoft can pull your license at anytime they choose, without notice. People forget that too.
Could you source this ? I did'nt find (OEM licence)...
Couple notions though, You do not own Windows, Bill Gates does. 2) It is "licensed" to you, meaning it is not for sale, so you don't own it (of course). So, they can do whatever they wanted, within reason though. My proof to this is below : 3. RESERVATION OF RIGHTS AND OWNERSHIP. Microsoft reserves all rights not expressly granted to you in this EULA. The Software is protected by copyright and other intellectual property laws and treaties. Microsoft or its suppliers own the title, copyright, and other intellectual property rights in the Software. The Software is licensed, not sold. (This means they can do whatever they want.) It doesn't say exactly they can pull your license "without notice", but this is the closest I got. So I'll take back what I said. You have to pretty much breach the EULA, though, for them to do it. Nobody does anyway. (not that I know of). See below : 15. TERMINATION. Without prejudice to any other rights, Microsoft may terminate this EULA if you fail to comply with the terms and conditions of this EULA. In such event, you must destroy all copies of the Software and all of its component parts. I guess you can say, it is not fair that they don't have to disclose all information (Read clause # 3, which I posted above). Since we don't own the software, they can initially do that, take our licenses if they wanted. But that would be a crap move to do, and upset a lot of people.
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/03 08:59:17
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Most softwares are licenced, not sold. You can read this in any EULA. I've reading this for all softwares I got since my first computer (a 286 AT in the late '80). This simply means you only own the right to use it. Same for mucic : it's just a matter of intellectual property, and it is normal. Just read Linux EULAs...
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/03 09:22:49
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True, but that doesn't mean that they can not take what's rightfully theirs. As bad as it sounds, you definitely have to agree with me that that is something they obviously don't have to put that in the EULA. Is it crap? yes.
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/03 18:28:55
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I just shut down my 10 desktop because of a process running in the background keeping cpu temps over 50C and using tons of resources. Normal temps are high20's-low30's. It was going on since last night.
Windows Spotlight download/upload.....Are you kidding me MS? Is this part of the spyware thing?
Interestingly it is not running on the rig with the preview.
I'm holding off upgrading the Surface Pro because of things like this. This may actually ignite the Surface. Not good at all.
The background issue may be Windows Update Delivery Optimization (WUDO). Basically it resembles BitTorrent in that Windows 10 devices share updates they have already downloaded with others, rather than getting them all direct from MS servers. This could lead to faster downloads when Microsoft's servers are under heavy load (like now), but it also eats your bandwidth if you happen to have already got your updates and others have not - as you are clearly seeing. The technology is turned on by default, so you have to explicitly opt out of the service under Windows Update's Advanced Options panel... somewhere. reference: http://www.ibtimes.com/windows-10-wudo-hijacks-customer-bandwidth-share-updates-2035859?ft=61pb1
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/04 03:35:00
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So how long does it usually take to get to install 10 once I'm in queue/reserved to do so? And my 2nd question. Last week on my desktop PC, I got a lovely boot disk failure. I "had" a legit bought copy of windows7 (plastic case and all), and I have looked everywhere for it. Im an organized kind of guy, but for the life of me I cant find it anywhere. So Im wanting to buy another copy of it instead of buying Windows 10 flash drive. Does anyone even sell windows 7 full retail version anymore? My usual place (Newegg) doesnt seem to have them. I still have my legit discs of 98, xp, and vista. I do have a legit w7 upgrade disc to go on top of vista, but not sure if doing a vista, 7 upgrade on a new hdd will give me an option to move up to 10 if I wanted too. I would be fine staying on 7 on my desktop though.
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/04 04:13:34
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Seriously? So they give you the option to deactivate some of their massive invasions of privacy, but then switch those options back with the next 'update'? That's just beyond low.. that's probably illegal.
People forget, you accept the user agreement to install the software... Did you read it? I don't. I know that for a fact.
So, anyone that accepts the terms (if they are outlined in the TOS) is DEFINITELY giving them permission, making it ok for them to do this.
It also states on the EULA, during the installation, that Microsoft can pull your license at anytime they choose, without notice. People forget that too.
That statement about pulling a license has been in Microsoft EULAs for years and years. To my knowledge they've only enforced it due to piracy issues.
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/04 04:51:09
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So how long does it usually take to get to install 10 once I'm in queue/reserved to do so?
And my 2nd question. Last week on my desktop PC, I got a lovely boot disk failure. I "had" a legit bought copy of windows7 (plastic case and all), and I have looked everywhere for it. Im an organized kind of guy, but for the life of me I cant find it anywhere. So Im wanting to buy another copy of it instead of buying Windows 10 flash drive. Does anyone even sell windows 7 full retail version anymore? My usual place (Newegg) doesnt seem to have them. I still have my legit discs of 98, xp, and vista. I do have a legit w7 upgrade disc to go on top of vista, but not sure if doing a vista, 7 upgrade on a new hdd will give me an option to move up to 10 if I wanted too. I would be fine staying on 7 on my desktop though.
if you can get Win7 to boot, you can use keyfinder or similar program to retrieve (be sure to write it down carefully and double check it) your Win7 Activation key. You can then download a Win7 iso and reinstall a clean installation of Win7 if needed. edit: also, after you make an installation disk from the iso file, you may be able to use it repair your current Win7 installation. (you did check to make sure you did not leave a flash drive plugged into a usb port? This can cause a boot disk failure) edit: the other link was out of date, it has been updated! Win7 iso download: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-recovery
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/04 05:04:31
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Thank you. Im going to take the drive (WD300g CAVIAR) into our IT guy at work. He has a docking station he said we can drop it into to see if the drive is actually dead or just has some other issues. Ive tried several times to boot it up, and always get the boot disk failure notice. I dont live on pc's like some people, so Im not up to date on everything that can happen to them and how to resolve the issue sometimes. Thanks for the reply though. Nope, no usb drives in it or anything.
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/04 05:16:16
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Thank you. Im going to take the drive (WD300g CAVIAR) into our IT guy at work. He has a docking station he said we can drop it into to see if the drive is actually dead or just has some other issues. Ive tried several times to boot it up, and always get the boot disk failure notice. I dont live on pc's like some people, so Im not up to date on everything that can happen to them and how to resolve the issue sometimes.
Thanks for the reply though.
Nope, no usb drives in it or anything.
always nice to have I.T. guys around to help out  if the drive is still good, he should be able to repair the bootmgr. or at least get the activation code. Good Luck! Pgc,
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
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OMG, Came home from getting the grand daughter on the school bus, and powered up the desktop and it actually booted up. One thing I did last week is I was trying to use a USB cable from a monitor (Dell 2407) to load an SDCard from the LCD onto the desktop, because its the only slot I have available to do an sdcard with. (laptop died last week). I had left the usb cable plugged into the monitor and am wondering if thats what caused the boot failure? I unplugged it before attempting a boot up just now. And is my actual product key the one they show you in the system properties?
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/04 05:45:04
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no, that is not the activation code, you will need a keyfinder to retrieve that
p.m. me your email and I will send you one
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/04 06:55:29
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It's funny...I realized after re-installing 8.1 on my tablet, that the settings between 8.1 and 10 are pretty similar. Put 10 back on the tablet last night...seems OK. I went through all the settings and shut off a lot of things having to deal with sharing ID, etc. Will have to see how that plays out. On my desktop, it was easier to find those "privacy" settings...but still all there. Shut off a lot of them on the desktop with 8.1 as well. Will let it play out and see...
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/04 07:14:05
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All is well in the world again. After my laptop died on me last week I had no way of unloading videos of my quads racing from my Mobius' micro sdcard. Then I remembered I had an sdcard slot on one of my 4 monitors on my desktop pc (desktop doesnt have a native sd slot). So I plugged a usb cable into the monitor then to my pc and used the Dell 2407's sdcard slot to unload my flight videos. I didnt think it would cause a "boot disk failure" the next time I booted up with the cable still plugged in even though the sdcard was not inserted. Ahhh, live and learn I guess. Not sure whats more frustrating. Building a 260mm Blackout quad, or operating systems? lolol. Thanks for all the help guys. I really appreciate it. T.T.
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/04 08:42:14
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no, that is not the activation code, you will need a keyfinder to retrieve that
p.m. me your email and I will send you one
Go here: http://www.piriform.com/speccy Speccy gives you the Windows 10 Key under Operating System. Pretty easy
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Pgcmoore
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/04 13:47:16
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yes, piriform stuff is awesome, CC is great, I keep keyfinder 2.0 around cause you dont have to install it, it's from '08 but still works great  Piriform's Recuva is awesome for file recovery and HD wiping (for free) also! Edit: YAY! Corsair finally approved my rma for my K70! no more editing every post and thing I type!!! 
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/06 13:42:18
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Just got notified on my desktop that I could rollover to Win10, but I'm going to wait. Unless the 980Ti SLI issues have been resolved?
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James_L
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/06 14:49:48
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rsxownes
Just got notified on my desktop that I could rollover to Win10, but I'm going to wait. Unless the 980Ti SLI issues have been resolved?
As far as has been reported this is still an issue of which needs to be resolved. 
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/07 15:07:34
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I am on 10 now, and having no issues so far, but I have only scraped the surface.
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Re: Who is not upgrading to windows 10 and why?
2015/08/11 06:15:21
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Has anyone else seen the commercial with the babies and windows 10? "This generation wont have to worry about passwords, they wont have to be obsessed with security" Lol with all the privacy invading "features" implemented into 10 by default I think the next generation will have to be even more obsessed with security. Plus I doubt these children will even use 10 as the next iteration will be out before they are even old enough to use a computer. Gotta love advertising.
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