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2015/07/26 09:55:03 (permalink)
EDIT: QUESTION ANSWERED. EVGA GTX 750 ti works just fine in my EVGA nForce 650i Ultra motherboard. Confirmed via actual test on 07/29/2015.
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Hi guys,
 
Yes, I know this is an ancient mobo. I know the advice will be "upgrade your cpu/mobo/etc." Already on top of that. I'm building a completely new system for myself. However, I want to repurpose the existing system as a second box for World of Warcraft (for the wife). My requirements are a GPU as fast as or faster than my vanilla GTX 560, cheap, and displayport (she'll be using an Apple Cinema Display, pre-Thunderbolt). The 750 ti fits the bill very nicely.
 
My concern is the lack of UEFI bios in the 650i Ultra. Can anyone here confirm still using this motherboard with a modern GPU?
 
EDIT: I can't post links, so, absent that: I was considering an EVGA GTC 750 ti, but might lean towards an MSI variant with dual-bios feature.
 
The EVGA has EVGA's legendary support, and a higher base/turbo clock rate. I also like the size (not even close to a requirement, just noting that I like it). However, the MSI has a dual-bios and a legacy switch that allows for compatibility with older motherboards. HP and their poor bios support is often cited as a reason for preferring this card. (Note, not considering it "poor" support for my mobo, as the mobo is from 2007. There was never an expectation of a bios update in 2012+, though a bugfix bios update to P04 would have been nice!)
 
Anyway, any feedback is welcome. And again, this is for repurposing old hardware for a 2nd WoW box. I KNOW I need a new CPU/GPU/mobo, etc. Skylake/Pascal :)
post edited by jasonkresge - 2015/07/30 08:01:14
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    jasonkresge
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    Re: EVGA nForce 650i Ultra and GeForce GTX 750 ti - UEFI bios question 2015/07/26 16:57:19 (permalink)
    I went through with the purchase of the EVGA GTC 750 ti SC. I realized that the MSI doesn't have Displayport. Additionally, I found two references to people using this exact card with nForce boards, specifically, 650i (didn't state if Ultra or SLI) and 680i SLI. So, I'm rolling the dice.
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    Re: EVGA nForce 650i Ultra and GeForce GTX 750 ti - UEFI bios question 2015/07/26 23:52:45 (permalink)
    The highest card you'd be able to run on the 650i Nforce board would be a 680. Anything in the 700 series or up will not work.
     
    NewEgg has a refurb 650ti if you act fast.
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    Re: EVGA nForce 650i Ultra and GeForce GTX 750 ti - UEFI bios question 2015/07/27 13:15:05 (permalink)
    EVGATech_ErinW
    The highest card you'd be able to run on the 650i Nforce board would be a 680. Anything in the 700 series or up will not work.
     
    NewEgg has a refurb 650ti if you act fast.


     
    Are you stating your position based on opinon, or have you personally slotted an EVGA 750 ti into an EVGA nForce 650i Ultra and gotten issues with the bios? THAT is the kind of evidence that I was looking for, and so far (on other websites), I've had only two people say they've tried it, and both said that it worked.
    post edited by jasonkresge - 2015/07/27 13:22:08
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    Re: EVGA nForce 650i Ultra and GeForce GTX 750 ti - UEFI bios question 2015/07/29 17:08:46 (permalink)
    EVGATech_ErinW
    The highest card you'd be able to run on the 650i Nforce board would be a 680. Anything in the 700 series or up will not work.
     
    NewEgg has a refurb 650ti if you act fast.




    I can now affirmatively state that the EVGA GeForce GTX 750 ti SC works FABULOUSLY on my EVGA nForce 650i Ultra, no issues :) Just plug and play (and reinstall drivers, of course).
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    Re: EVGA nForce 650i Ultra and GeForce GTX 750 ti - UEFI bios question 2015/07/29 22:45:07 (permalink)
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    Are you stating your position based on opinon, or have you personally slotted an EVGA 750 ti into an EVGA nForce 650i Ultra and gotten issues with the bios? THAT is the kind of evidence that I was looking for, and so far (on other websites), I've had only two people say they've tried it, and both said that it worked.




    Just for laughs, I tried a Titan on an Nforce 6, and 730a board, and it didn't work. (I was trying for the most absurd "Brawn" achievement in 3Dmark), also tried a 960 and a 980. A 680 Classified worked fine. I've also tried a 960 on an Asus P5N-D, which is a 750i board, and it didn't work, even with a BIOS update.
     
    Personally, I haven't seen a 700-series card or higher work in an Nforce board, but people report that it does happen, like ball lightning, Sasquatch sightings, or people mysteriously disappearing in the mountains. If it does work, then you're one of the lucky ones, as many calls that I've taken where someone's trying to use any sort of Maxwell card on a non-UEFI board, it doesn't work.
     
    What are the full specs on the system that you're using?
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    Re: EVGA nForce 650i Ultra and GeForce GTX 750 ti - UEFI bios question 2015/07/29 23:09:55 (permalink)
    Erin - I've only had two people before me attempt to slot a GTX 750 ti (EVGA model) into an nForce 6 mobo, and both were successful. I have yet to meet or speak with a person who failed to slot a GTX 750ti into an nForce 6 mobo. Full specs (links provided from my Newegg order history):
     
    Core 2 Quad Q 6600 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115018
    EVGA nForce 650i Ultra - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188017
    G.SKILL 2x1GB (2 kits, total of 4 sticks) DDR2 800 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231098
    SeaSonic S12 II SS-500 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151034
    WD Black 500GB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136320
    (1st GPU, 2008) EVGA 9600GT 512MB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130334
    (2nd GPU, 2012) EVGA GTX 560 SC - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130661
    (current GPU, today) EVGA GTX 750 ti SC - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487024
     
    Running Windows 7 x64 Home Premium
     
    EDIT: Not sure why 700 series cards would have problems. Only the 750 and 750 ti are Maxwell. Majority of 700 series is Kepler, while at least 1 model is Fermi. These should all work on legacy boards. Maxwell seems to be the only one so far with this issue, well, from what I've seen.
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    Re: EVGA nForce 650i Ultra and GeForce GTX 750 ti - UEFI bios question 2015/07/30 00:26:43 (permalink)
    I wouldn't expect a 960 card to work but it is possible a 750ti might work but of course that is not guaranteed. 

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    Re: EVGA nForce 650i Ultra and GeForce GTX 750 ti - UEFI bios question 2015/07/30 08:00:47 (permalink)
    rjohnson11
    I wouldn't expect a 960 card to work but it is possible a 750ti might work but of course that is not guaranteed. 


    The 750 ti does work. I've edited the original post to be more clear.
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    Re: EVGA nForce 650i Ultra and GeForce GTX 750 ti - UEFI bios question 2015/08/01 01:31:24 (permalink)
    Maybe it's just the older pre-built Dells, HPs, etc. with the Nforce, and things like the Intel H/B chipsets. They likely have such a dumbed-down BIOS that they can't handle the 700-series and higher cards.
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    Re: EVGA nForce 650i Ultra and GeForce GTX 750 ti - UEFI bios question 2015/08/01 10:44:03 (permalink)
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    Maybe it's just the older pre-built Dells, HPs, etc. with the Nforce, and things like the Intel H/B chipsets. They likely have such a dumbed-down BIOS that they can't handle the 700-series and higher cards.


    I'm starting to think the same. Everytime I've heard of this issue, it was a pre-built. And honestly, they weren't legacy mobos either. They were mostly 1st gen UEFI boards that didn't have an update that allowed you to select between Legacy and UEFI for the GPU. Everytime I've seen a person take a retail board with a Maxwell GPU, it's worked so far.
     
    Go read the negative reviews on Amazon or Newegg for your 750 ti and 960. I swear, every negative review starts with "doesn't work on my HP (insert model number here)."
     
    Granted, I'm not confident in this. If someone asks me if a Maxwell card will work with their legacy non-UEFI mobo, I'll tell them 50/50, go ahead and roll the dice. I'm just glad that it worked in my case. Actually, I take that back. I wish that it hadn't worked. I was trying to get my wife to let me buy a G3258 + new mobo + DDR3 8GB for a budget build, but now that this card works, I'm stuck with the mobo even longer!
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    Re: EVGA nForce 650i Ultra and GeForce GTX 750 ti - UEFI bios question 2018/10/23 09:11:42 (permalink)
    I know this is old thread but I own this ancient mobo - EVGA NForce 650i ultra. Im going to buy a new GPU. Question is - will GeForce gtx 680 be working with this motherboard? I have the latest bios - P05.

    Specs: mobo NForce 650i ultra
    Gpu: want to buy gtx 680
    Cpu: Q6600 (oc to 3,2 GHz)
    Psu: OCZ modextreme pro 500w
    Hdd: Seagate barracuda 500gb

    I saw you put EVGA 750ti succesfuly but i dont want to ''roll the dice'' :)
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    Re: EVGA nForce 650i Ultra and GeForce GTX 750 ti - UEFI bios question 2018/10/23 17:22:06 (permalink)
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    I know this is old thread but I own this ancient mobo - EVGA NForce 650i ultra. Im going to buy a new GPU. Question is - will GeForce gtx 680 be working with this motherboard? I have the latest bios - P05.

    Specs: mobo NForce 650i ultra
    Gpu: want to buy gtx 680
    Cpu: Q6600 (oc to 3,2 GHz)
    Psu: OCZ modextreme pro 500w
    Hdd: Seagate barracuda 500gb

    I saw you put EVGA 750ti succesfuly but i dont want to ''roll the dice'' :)

    It will work.
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