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2015/06/12 11:05:22 (permalink)
So I got this used machine

During loads the CPU is up to 98-99%; higest temp 60-64C
I'm noT so worried about the temp but work load-temp, Is this OK?

Thanks guys.
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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/06/12 11:16:17 (permalink)
I wouldn't say it's too old, but it is dated at this point. One thing you can check is to open the task manager and actually see what's using up your cpu cycles while you're playing. Also, are you overclocked? If you're running stock speeds, you'd gain a lot of performance by getting a better cooler than the stock cooler (like an AIO or something) and pumping that baby up to 4.2ghz or so. Even 4ghz will show you a substantial improvement.
 
No doubt you'll have a better gaming experience once you pop that 970 in though haha. It'll be a world of difference, and no SLI issues to be worrying about either. 
 
What's your load like in other games? Some games are far more cpu dependent than others, particularly games with large crowds (AC4) to keep up with. 
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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/06/12 11:23:28 (permalink)
I'd look at doing an i5, ram, ssd. And even if ya need to save to get to that point. And with z170(next gen z97 with DDR4) at this point, I'd switch to ddr4, if buying a new mobo. In my opinion, ur getting 2nd gen ddr4 board...
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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/06/12 11:35:56 (permalink)
its about equal to amd FX cpu's so its not obsolete but its getting their
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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/06/12 11:36:41 (permalink)
I had a 4690K at stock clocks (turbo at 3.9GHz) with a 780ti running . The video card was bottle necked until I went overclocked 4.3GHz. With your system running PCIe 2.0, that may hold back the 970 bandwidth even with the cpu OC. So I believe you won't ever achieve optimal component performance with your current motherboard. Hopefully the 970 will give you a boost, you will notice less heat from your system that's for sure.
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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/06/12 11:55:57 (permalink)
Thanks for your quick replies.
 
Nothing usually is running in the background (firefox) that would drastically take up the CPU. 
I think my friend said he did OC'd to 4-4.2Ghz
And I do remeber flashing the MOBO.
 
My cooler:
http://www.corsair.com/en...ance-liquid-cpu-cooler
with 2 fans push and pull.
 
I'll try the extra juice up to 4.2GHz and also try the other games.
 
 
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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/06/12 20:00:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ryulonius 2021/09/05 03:42:44
Bill, I take it the Xeon X5690 would work too? (I have the X58 SLI)

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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/06/12 20:28:37 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ryulonius 2022/08/24 18:54:28
It is old in terms of age (6.5 years), but not old in terms of relative performance to what's out now.  Don't worry about the age of your stuff except if you think it will cease to function.  Intel warranty is based on a mission critical 3yr used 24/7, if you use it less than 8hr/day, it will certainly last longer-- except there are other components in your system with different lifespans.  So take heed of them.

The deal with relative performance is that Intel's hasn't been bumping up the IPC (instructions per clock) that much over the years, mainly due to competition (AMD) not even trying.  On average of CPU-bound apps, the Core i7-4000 series is about 30% faster per clock, which means at the same frequency/overclock as your i7-920, you gain a 30% advantage.  That is all that the last 6 years have give us.

Whether you think that gain is worth dropping a minimum of $500 just to get the new CPU, mobo and RAM is up to you.  
Intel has been compensating for the abysmal IPC by raising the stock speed clock.  So while Haswell is 30% ahead of Nehalem, the top model (i7-4790K) at 4GHz adds 50% more on top of something running at 2.66GHz.  So if you upgraded to i7-4790K, it will perform 80% faster than a stock i7-920.  Most new quads nowadays can overclock to the middle 4GHz range (pushing relative performance even higher to 100% ahead of an i7-920), and some folks attribute the higher overclock as worth it over an older CPU that did not overclock well.

But I don't like to gamble on overclocking potential because it is based on the silicon lottery (i.e. random luck); and my i7-920 wasn't stable past 3.7GHz.  

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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/06/13 05:25:23 (permalink)
My EVGA X58 mobo
Part Number: 132-BL-E758-A1
Part Desc: EVGA X58 SLI
 
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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/06/13 05:32:04 (permalink)
There are still several people on X58. It's a fine platform and you can always overclock the CPU (if you have a good CPU cooler) for additional performance.

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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/06/13 12:52:32 (permalink)
Starting to age? Yes. Want to boost performance without building a whole new machine? Get a Core i7 970/980, 980x or 990x. Trust me Even the old first gen six cores are keeping up the pace and out pace the new four cores.

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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/06/15 18:21:21 (permalink)
Is the 920 showing it's age? Yes. Is the X58? Not as much. The Socket 1366 is pretty good piece of kit for used street price and the CPUs are dirt cheap if you already have the board. My suggestion is upgrade the CPU to something unlocked. Personally, I'm running an unlocked Xeon ES in my E762. Works like a champ considering the age.
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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/06/20 17:57:49 (permalink)
Some days I regret selling my X58 board when I see how cheap the CPU's have gotten and how expensive it is to buy a used X58 board. It would be nice to have fun with a xeon or i7 6 core processor.

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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/06/25 07:20:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby ryulonius 2021/09/05 03:45:00
I agree with the X58 still being a good platform for gaming rigs and even for production as well.  Like many have said the Xeons are for the most part the way to go.  Most of the top end Xeons are no more than $200 for six cores.  Just keep in mind if OC'ing is a factor in your choice of a new CPU then keep in mind many(if not all) retail/non-ES Xeons are locked on the multipliers so they are only overclockable via base clock.  Look for a CPU that starts in the 3ghz+ range, whether quad or six core.  IIRC I picked up a Xeon X5590 for like 60-80 bucks which was the top tier quad core Xeon.  Six cores can start as low as $45 for a low 2ghz model but keep in mind you will barely hit 3ghz only using bclock to over clock them(if you are lucky).  Maybe it's just the SR-2 that was prone to this but from what I have seen and heard 200 on the base clock is about the limit and stock is 133 so do the math and look for a reasonable clock speed for your processor that can be reached in the 160-180 base clock range when looking at Xeons.
 
Honestly if you are gaming at 1080p the X58 will serve you well.  I say this because pushing surround or higher resolutions of course requires higher end cards.  While for the most part PCIe 2.0 does not hold FPS down on newer cards it is the limiting factor(however small it is) when it comes to GPUs on the X58.  Cores/threads are not much of a factor in gaming yet compared to clock speed, and quad channel has not proved much of a boost.  The same for DDR4 for the most part in regards to gaming.  X58 is the sweet spot as it has everything you need for quality 1080p gaming.
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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/06/25 07:30:57 (permalink)
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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/06/25 15:58:29 (permalink)
Just drop a Xeon 6 core in it as I even tired CX 7950's after AMD fixed the frame pacing... this is old and the video cards was stock clocked..
 
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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/07/01 16:04:56 (permalink)
I had the i7 920 to begin with when I first purchased my x58 Classified. Swapped it out a few years ago for a 990x and haven't had any issues at all. Not to mention OC'ing to 4.2Ghz was almost funny with how easy it was. 
I'm running with two GTX580's in SLI right now and even running games at 2560x1600 on Ultra settings. I'd echo the advice of upgrading that processor, but run through your task manager first and see if there are some other programs that might be hogging some CPU usage. 


  

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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/07/01 16:35:58 (permalink)
I have an X58 with a i7 950 with two gtx 580s. It is still a solid rig , but after 5 years I felt it was time for an upgrade. Still waiting on all the parts, but going Z97 with a Death Valley i7 and three gtx 970s in tri-sli. I am happy. :)


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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/07/07 19:09:45 (permalink)
MSI XPower X58/1366 board here running Hexacore Core i7 980x with 12GB of RAM in combination with a single Asus ROG series GTX680.  Seems to run everything pretty well at 1920x1200 and for general Windows use it's fine. 


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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/07/08 11:24:31 (permalink)
I ran a 930 (with a crappy IMC...silicon lottery there) for years at 4.2, it was a great system.  At 4.2 some CPU bound applications really started to show their age, and a couple CPU bound games could really make it chug.  I was thinking about going to a Xeon Hex core, but the board died too.  If I were you I would go for the used Hex Xeons and try my hand at clocking.
 
Lehpron is correct about the silicon lottery, I have seen ti first hand, with 920s that fall flat on their face at 3.4, and others that ran at 4.6 all day long, so there is definitely some margin for error there.  When i got my Dark board I got a 4930k, and that at stock outperformed my 920 at 4.2 noticeably in everything I tested.  It does depend on your budget, the X58 boards were AWESOME, very functional very well made, just a great board series all around, so i can see some apprehension  to move away from those, and a sub 100$ hex core is a hard proc to pass up.
 
So, if I were you, I would clock the 920 you got, feel free to ask for help with that and retest.  If you still find it lacking, I would see how much is it lacking and how much extra cash you have.  If it is not too bad, that Hex core will be a huge upgrade, if it feel seriously slow to you, might be time for a bigger upgrade.  Give the X58 a chance, such a great product line.
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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/07/08 15:00:02 (permalink)
Its showing its age a little but if you want to get a good 5-6 more solid years without thinking of upgrading from your x58 setup buy a core i7 970/980/980x or 990x. With the small advancements in cpus, and in games, upping your x58 setup to a six core the time it does become old and slow as dirt and you have to upgrade, people with x79's and x99's will be in the same boat. You wont win benchmarks, but gaming you will crush. Noticed I double commented lol. But still holds true and lephron has it right.
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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/11/14 07:00:06 (permalink)
Oh my temp went up to 81C the other day playing AC unity.
So now after a few more searchings';
GTX 470 is installed, Noctua NH-D14 is on its way, and I've decided to keep this chip and OC it to 4.3Ghz max with the new cooler till it burns its life.
Hoping to drop the Temp>5C or more.
yeay, I'm clocking out and going home.....

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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/11/14 07:19:27 (permalink)
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Oh my temp went up to 81C the other day playing AC unity.
So now after a few more searchings';
GTX 470 is installed, Noctua NH-D14 is on its way, and I've decided to keep this chip and OC it to 4.3Ghz max with the new cooler till it burns its life.
Hoping to drop the Temp>5C or more.
yeay, I'm clocking out and going home.....


If you can find an old Corsair H100 (newer models don't support that old motherboard) with the proper plate use that instead. Your temps will be much lower and better regulated.

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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/11/14 10:02:09 (permalink)
Awe,
I'm just going to guess that you prefer more of liquid cooler . I kinda did lean that way thinking that i'll get what i pay for which the saying may also go for NH-D14. Hence those post and vids I've come across is showing better temp than mine so i'll keep my fingers x-ed.
 
The Cooler is in the area scanned in at the destination, so I'm just waiting for its out for delivery....and then you know.....a day or 2 I'll give an update of how it went.
 
Thanks all.
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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/11/14 10:54:00 (permalink)
For the older CPUs I believe a closed water loop is a better cooling solution

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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/11/18 15:12:36 (permalink)
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its about equal to amd FX cpu's so its not obsolete but its getting their




Ha I was going to post that.
The 920 is about the same as a FX-6300 on CPU boss.

I just did a build with a FX6300 and I would pick the 6300 over the 920 any day of the week.

If you need more time with your 920 OC it.
I had mine at 4.2ghz and it was a beast.
You will want it on water.

EVGA has a nice OC guide for that thing in the X58 section of the forum.
Sooooo soooo easy to OC it.
 
 


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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/11/18 16:09:09 (permalink)
I just OC'ed it to 4.3 Ghz, and installed a Noctua NH-d14, and it's way cooler than my old liquid Corsair h50:
http://forums.evga.com/Noctua-d14-on-X58-any-one-m2351954.aspx
 
Yeah I'm still liking the 920, It's playing my newest games AC Unity just fine at low-mid settings, Arkam knight I got bored of real quickly (sorry not a Bat Man fan). And hopefully BO3 wont be too much of an issue. Damn new games

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Re: Is i7 920 to old? 2015/11/18 19:17:38 (permalink)
 
I think it's time to upgrade your CPU and Motherboard. Ram too.

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