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There will be one way around this issue soon with Kp 980Ti
And hey don't just take my word for it..Check out post number #12 in the comments section in this techpowerup article about classified ti980 launching. Whoever posted that knows EXACTLY what they are talking about...I could not have said it better myself:
http://www.techpowerup.com/213971/ev...d-acx-2-0.html

Just For Clarification, This is the post number #12 Vince is referring to at techpowerup.com:

ShockG
This is a great card. As good as the HOF LN2 or KPE even for air and water cooling.
With all GM2XX GPUs, the limit is cooling. It is not a linear relationship where adding and power phases, voltage etc help scaling. These will do nothing at all.

No magic BIOS will increase overclocks and two cards with same week GPU, perhaps even same wafer will perform and scale near identically. The limit for all TI's is around 1500MHz. That has everything to do with the GPU layout/design and the target node. For instance running VID1.26V to pass 1555MHz where 1.19V passes 1526MHz speaks directly to this. Want to clean out the signal, then you need lower temps. Not 50, 40 or 30'C but around 10 to 15'C max load. Then you will see the GPU go to 1600MHz to 1620MHz game stable.

Remember that from air cooling to LN2 is only 600MHz at most (at least at present) which is a vary narrow window. That last 200MHz needs you to go down from -80'C to -130'C for instance and hold it there even under load. That is not a linear relationship and the cap for these GPUs is around 2100MHz.

So be it a 6,  8 or 14 phase PWM. It makes no difference at all for water and air cooling.
All we can do is hope for a high bin GPU if you care about that sort of thing. Perhaps even a card with Samsung memory so you can comfortably go over the 2GHz mark.

With the announcement that this scaling issues should be fixed in the TI version of the 980 kpe I think EVGA should at the very least consider giving current 980 kpe owners a chance to step up and pay the addition money instead of having to sell our cards to get something we all though we were paying for to begin with....
 
my two cents. 
 
And apparently the only fix would be a highly binned chip.

Sajin

Vlada011
Fury X have much better picture than TITAN X and details in games on far distance are more visible than on NVIDIA cards. In that I believe, I told that to people constantly but when someone fall in love he is blind. But they try to explain that NVIDIA sabotage and graphic details from first day of their work company only to offer better performance than competition. They sacrifice about 10-15% in sharpness and picture is more blurry because better performance. 

The person who compared the two admitted to messing with the color profiles on the amd card.
 
EDIT: He found out what the real problem was... http://forums.overclocker...6481&postcount=105
 
Both Fury X & Titan X look the same now. 

Dam... Can't access site. Work has it blocked booooooo :(
But I have this guy at my work who used AMD for many years, and quotes that AMD does not update their drivers, not for a long time at least. (people already know this so I have no idea why i'm mentioning this. but you get the idea)

kot0005
Have a 980 Classified under water and it doesn't do anything above 1506Mhz core (gamestable) No matter what voltage I give it. right now its at 1.25volts. I tried 1.4 volts but it wouldn't bulge So I will have to agree with the OP. My R9 290X would do around 1350Mhz with 1.3v but that's a different card and I had several cards with coil whine until I got the TRI-X from sapphire. I bought the classified so I don't get coil whine but I got this card from RMA and it have a loud whine during heaven and noticeable during games. Will probably hold off on the RMA and do it later next year so I can hopefully get a 980Ti classified and EK has a waterblock ready.
So these cards don't OC above 1500  unless you got a silicon lottery. No matter what bios and voltages you use on air and water.
 I only bought it to aboid coil whine issues since its a custom pcb with high quality caps etc.
 
Maybe EVGA should Make a 980Ti Classified G (Gaming) card. 1200Mhz base and 1400Mhz boost. $759, same layout as classified but Comes with RGB Logo, single slot with block.

You didn't read the thread. The Classified Kingpin cards did win the silicon lottery for overclocking. The catch is, you have to use LN2 to see it and not play video games with your card because that's not what it's meant for. That series of video card is like a drag race car and you are trying to make it your daily driver.

stalinx20

Sajin

Vlada011
Fury X have much better picture than TITAN X and details in games on far distance are more visible than on NVIDIA cards. In that I believe, I told that to people constantly but when someone fall in love he is blind. But they try to explain that NVIDIA sabotage and graphic details from first day of their work company only to offer better performance than competition. They sacrifice about 10-15% in sharpness and picture is more blurry because better performance. 

The person who compared the two admitted to messing with the color profiles on the amd card.
 
EDIT: He found out what the real problem was... http://forums.overclocker...6481&postcount=105
 
Both Fury X & Titan X look the same now. 

Dam... Can't access site. Work has it blocked booooooo :(
But I have this guy at my work who used AMD for many years, and quotes that AMD does not update their drivers, not for a long time at least. (people already know this so I have no idea why i'm mentioning this. but you get the idea)

What NVIDIA delete picture from their forum...Fury X vs TITAN X image...
They force me to borrow R9-290X GeForce and to show to people clearly where to look and how to recognize.
Person who admitted messing with drivers can say what he want... I could show what happen and without control panel with drivers updated from device managed, naked without CCC and Control Panel. That's only one more prove that NVIDIA is aware of everything. Why they hide instead to explain.
Example before many years ATI 5870 card without driver you can set 1080p resolution, option is available in monitor settings.
NVIDIA Fermi you need to install driver or max settings is 1280x1024.
 
 

If you don't want to use with LN2 they explain that KPE cards are not good for every day. 

Maybe price could be cheaper if they sell only PCB without cooler and backplate.
Backplate don't need for LN2? And cooler is well made and only increase price. 
 
 
Who posted this video...? Like someone say for this only solution is better binning, nothing else...
here problem is not driver, voltage, scaling on ambient temps, 
only poor graphic processor.

I don't think this is true....you would have to be pretty ignorant to do this..... All you have to do is a simple google search on the namesake...
 

Scarlet-Tech
 
 
 Most people that bought the 980KPE have no idea why they are named K|ngp|n edition.. they just saw the money they were spending and spent it.

EVGATech_DaveB

antandbetty
I don't think this is true....you would have to be pretty ignorant to do this..... All you have to do is a simple google search on the namesake...
 

Scarlet-Tech
 
 
 Most people that bought the 980KPE have no idea why they are named K|ngp|n edition.. they just saw the money they were spending and spent it.

Isn't it for the Woody Harrelson bowling movie?

I would buy one if that was the real KINGPIN edition!   LOL.  Make sure it has a sweet comb-over!
 
As for the rest of this thread.... it sounds like I can be happy with my reference 980ti hitting 1547mhz (+320) & 8000mhz (+495) on Water. 

Vlada011

stalinx20

Sajin

Vlada011
Fury X have much better picture than TITAN X and details in games on far distance are more visible than on NVIDIA cards. In that I believe, I told that to people constantly but when someone fall in love he is blind. But they try to explain that NVIDIA sabotage and graphic details from first day of their work company only to offer better performance than competition. They sacrifice about 10-15% in sharpness and picture is more blurry because better performance. 

The person who compared the two admitted to messing with the color profiles on the amd card.
 
EDIT: He found out what the real problem was... http://forums.overclocker...6481&postcount=105
 
Both Fury X & Titan X look the same now. 

Dam... Can't access site. Work has it blocked booooooo :(
But I have this guy at my work who used AMD for many years, and quotes that AMD does not update their drivers, not for a long time at least. (people already know this so I have no idea why i'm mentioning this. but you get the idea)

What NVIDIA delete picture from their forum...Fury X vs TITAN X image...
They force me to borrow R9-290X GeForce and to show to people clearly where to look and how to recognize.
Person who admitted messing with drivers can say what he want... I could show what happen and without control panel with drivers updated from device managed, naked without CCC and Control Panel. That's only one more prove that NVIDIA is aware of everything. Why they hide instead to explain.
Example before many years ATI 5870 card without driver you can set 1080p resolution, option is available in monitor settings.
NVIDIA Fermi you need to install driver or max settings is 1280x1024.

They most likely deleted it because it was false information. Gregster at the overclockers.co.uk forums was the guy who started the whole Fury X has better IQ then Titan X debate with a video he posted comparing the two.

Off course that nobody will buy K|NGP|N cards with stock clock.
What such card can tell you, with reference card at least you don't know what is inside,
K|NGP|N with stock clock you should know that she is not good enough to be Classified, what they will waste good chips and leave stock BIOS?
Such card should be cheaper than reference, that's like someone sell cards not capable to work on SC and Classified clock. I don't know someone to do that.
ASUS gave up, ASUS thought to do that with 780Ti Matrix but they have so brain to figure out what that mean and that only completely crazy person will not figure out that.
People simply love to install cards and play game and except normal performance difference they get 20-25% more because they choose overclocked model.
Why someone need to gamble with safe 20-25%. If someone overclock he will do that for fun, he will not gave up from 20-25% and to gamble for that if some manufacturer offer them. Same as people hurry to buy i7-4790K in much bigger number than Intel expected, because they give them Turbo so high that people with 4770K couldn't overclock their processor on such speed. 4.4GHz Turbo. 
ASUS always offer some little OC and more look on stability and to sell more cards, if they change that with last two generation and in future they will offer as fast as possible cards, they estimate that people buy other brands only because 30-50MHz faster cards and don't want to gamble if someone give them such speed. 
Example if ASUS launch Strix GTX980Ti with 1220MHz clock and some sample OC example 40-50MHz more, that would be fantastic card and many of them will buy that card rather than someone to offer them reference sample overclocked 350MHz and his results in benchmarks tests. Why they need constantly to press Reset, Apply, update software, check did software start with Windows, etc...
Why when someone sell 21-22% faster card than reference GTX980Ti, TITAN X is 5% stronger, you can imagine what that mean for gamer when some model give him 6-7 fps on highest settings in Crysis 3. Anyway he feel better card because upgrade, this 6-7 fps only gift over that. 

Scarlet-Tech
LOL!  on air, my cards failed with the stock bios.  here, Stock clocks, single card, on air.  
 
 
 
On water, this never happened, so yes, they can clock higher on water, as in anything over stock.  Therefore, your statement is 100% true, they should clock higher on water.. I made it to 1570 on water, which is pretty damn good without needing to do anything with voltage after Vince released the new bios's. They scaled the same with his bios as they did with using the EVBot, which was nice to no longer be required to use the EVBot. 

Looks like evga is just shooting themselves in the foot if the card can't operate properly at 70C. EVGA must love doing rma's. If the card can't operate properly at 70-80C the card shouldn't be sold with a air cooler attached.    

Scarlet-Tech

really.. can people NOT read?  SINGLE CARD, ON AIR at Stock clock... I am not even apoloetic for being rude at this point.. people SERIOUSLY need to read.  i HATE repeating myself so much in these forums.. 
 

 
lol, my bad I guess I left out the most important bolded part. You don't have to apologize it didn't sound that bad . But still kpn 980's has SLI config issues. Saw multiple users complain on KPN forums and OCN. But these are also the people who bought it for gaming and wanted to push 1600Mhz.
 

Scarlet-Tech
they used to have a card much like that.. it was called the FTW, and it didn't do any better on the 970 or 980.. which is probably why there is no 980ti version.  The only difference was the lower phase and lack of RGB, but it was designed and advertised as a higher end gaming card, not as an extreme overclocking card.  Less people bought it, because the classified costed more, and the FTW of the last two series were having troubles.
 

 
Yeah I remember that card, but it probably didn't do well cause it was reference PCB and had a high probability of having coil whine. At least for me. I hope that's the case with others because I see a lot of people with reference PCB high end cards complain about coil whine and in my personal experience too I had Little to no whining issues on custom pcb cards.

Sajin

Vlada011
Fury X have much better picture than TITAN X and details in games on far distance are more visible than on NVIDIA cards. In that I believe, I told that to people constantly but when someone fall in love he is blind. But they try to explain that NVIDIA sabotage and graphic details from first day of their work company only to offer better performance than competition. They sacrifice about 10-15% in sharpness and picture is more blurry because better performance. 

The person who compared the two admitted to messing with the color profiles on the amd card.
 
EDIT: He found out what the real problem was... http://forums.overclocker...6481&postcount=105
 
Both Fury X & Titan X look the same now. 

Sajin if this mess with drivers, this is completely different situation, video is made only to present performance in GTA5 TITAN X vs Fury X and now I will show how I recognize GeForce and Radeon last 10 years and without someone to tell me what's inside PC... I can show you hundreds details similar...
I have no problem to people love NVIDIA, and I'm their fan but some people are really stupid what they justify and how they believe to NVIDIA and their politic... This what you see now before 5 years different was 50% bigger. And that will recognize every person when install R9-290X after TITAN X.
 

I told you that I notice that and in video clips, don't need to be picture, when I look someone to play games you can find similar difference on different sides.
And if I can't recognize immediately I recognize when I saw both clips on AMD and Gefore. Later when both clip finish I could say where is NVIDIA?
How if difference not exist and when I explain where people to look. Usually is difference not so big as on this picture but again I know to recognize.
Same is if you install some 5 years old game and only drivers, nothing else. When you go in past that difference is bigger, now is very small, this picture present little more than in reality but I post only to show people how that look when someone say different picture.