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Re: Can this be done with radiators? 2015/05/20 08:22:32 (permalink)
Dave: I have three or four sections of tubing left in the system besides the two for the fill ports however I don't think I can get down beyond that as I need the flexibility to get some of the quick disconnects off.
 
AnonymousGuy: Looks impressive. For the kill coils I was thinking about them however I did not want them just floating around the res/hoses. Any issues you have seen with them in the reservoir?
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Re: Can this be done with radiators? 2015/05/20 08:51:35 (permalink)
@Matt
I was more kidding than anythign else, but I know you are going to be as closer as you can be to no tubes  :)
 
@AnonymousGuy

 
That is pretty awesome.
With the chillers, are you insulating on the PC end or are you keeping the temps up enough that you don't have condensation issues?
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Re: Can this be done with radiators? 2015/05/20 08:53:03 (permalink)
No the kill coils sink.  on a previous reservoir they ended up getting sucked into the outlet port going to the pump, but they're big enough diameter that they didn't get "lost".  That's an ideal place for the kill coil to end up since then I know coolant is actively flowing over it.

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Re: Can this be done with radiators? 2015/05/20 08:56:33 (permalink)
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No the kill coils sink.  on a previous reservoir they ended up getting sucked into the outlet port going to the pump, but they're big enough diameter that they didn't get "lost".  That's an ideal place for the kill coil to end up since then I know coolant is actively flowing over it.


Cool. With my plugs it always has to flow around them however I had to put a spacer in to raise them up a mm or they would bottom out the T-block that I had them in and not seal well. Not fun seeing a slow drip out of a fitting. I could have put one in the GPU loop block but I wanted it easily to get to and swap. Do you ever have to swap them out or just leave in permanently?
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Re: Can this be done with radiators? 2015/05/20 09:01:33 (permalink)
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@AnonymousGuy

 
That is pretty awesome.
With the chillers, are you insulating on the PC end or are you keeping the temps up enough that you don't have condensation issues?



I set the minimum temperature on the chillers to be the dewpoint at 80F + 50% RH, which is 60F.  Right now it's 77F and 25% RH ambient in here (monitor next to my monitor), and that's about average.  50% would be "worst case" if I left my front door wide open on a rainy day.  There really wouldn't be a way for me to insulate the entire desktop since chilled water is circulating through everything.  At one point I went below dewpoint just to try it out and everything metal started sweating...gpu blocks, metal fittings, etc.  Bad things ensued where I nearly lost a video card because the one above it was dripping on it.  There's some ridiculous ideas I have for being able to deal with insulating an entire desktop, but they're extremely expensive and/or messy.
 
I did design a microcontroller setup that could track the dewpoint in real time, but at 60F I'm already approaching the limit of how cold my chillers can go.  The people who get 10F with one chiller is because they're only dealing with a tiny amount of liquid on a short loop.

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Re: Can this be done with radiators? 2015/05/20 09:07:22 (permalink)
I have seen some pretty elaborate setups for protection from condensation before, that's why I asked..... but your idea is quite sound, keep it above dew point and you should be fine, I have thought of this myself in the past, using a chiller and maintain the temps needed, and don't need the case space of a bunch of radiators, and your temps will be great!
 
And to think all this came about from a question about radiators in parallel...  :)
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Re: Can this be done with radiators? 2015/05/20 09:29:40 (permalink)
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I have seen some pretty elaborate setups for protection from condensation before, that's why I asked..... but your idea is quite sound, keep it above dew point and you should be fine, I have thought of this myself in the past, using a chiller and maintain the temps needed, and don't need the case space of a bunch of radiators, and your temps will be great!
 
And to think all this came about from a question about radiators in parallel...  :)



The only problem becomes that chillers and remote-locating them ends up taking a fair bit of square footage (and in my case, my house layout to be a certain way...if you're married good luck convincing her of this whole plan :)), but the performance and zero-office-noise can't be touched by a traditional air cooled radiator setup.  I don't even have any fans installed on my desktop and just sealed the case up with fabric to keep dust from settling its way in.  
 
Also, you have chilled water so you can add as many boxes as you have heat exchangers and pump for.  The principle is the same as what server farms use to cool their racks of computers.  I thought about using the chilled water feed and teeing it off into a Cool Shirt so then I have chilled water circulating around my chest and don't need an AC in the summer, but I'd be mildly concerned about getting hypothermia :)
 
EDIT: When LinusTechTips was doing the series on whole-room watercooling (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8bLtg9J1Oc) I was facepalming myself like "nooooo dude that's not going to work".
 
EDIT EDIT: Oh and you don't even need to use chillers you can replace the chillers with regular radiators to relocate everything further away from your desktop, then you're no longer constrained by how much space you have in your case.  That's what Linus was going for with an array of air cooled radiators on his roof.
post edited by AnonymousGuy - 2015/05/20 09:31:58

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Re: Can this be done with radiators? 2015/05/20 11:38:27 (permalink)
On the ROOF?  It gets hot up there.
 
i know I can do it without the chillers, but I love the idea and being able to keep the hardware right around ambient, and chillers make that WAY easier.  If you are covering this kind of distance, what pumps are you using, iwaki's?
 
As for your idea of the watercooled shirt, I think I would prefer a seat cushion and a hat, knowing me though, I would quickly reach the limit of your 1600W chiller.... according to the other half I am a walking space heater and sometimes humidifier......
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Re: Can this be done with radiators? 2015/05/21 01:34:51 (permalink)
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I have seen some pretty elaborate setups for protection from condensation before, that's why I asked..... but your idea is quite sound, keep it above dew point and you should be fine, I have thought of this myself in the past, using a chiller and maintain the temps needed, and don't need the case space of a bunch of radiators, and your temps will be great!
 
And to think all this came about from a question about radiators in parallel...  :)



The only problem becomes that chillers and remote-locating them ends up taking a fair bit of square footage (and in my case, my house layout to be a certain way...if you're married good luck convincing her of this whole plan :)), but the performance and zero-office-noise can't be touched by a traditional air cooled radiator setup.  I don't even have any fans installed on my desktop and just sealed the case up with fabric to keep dust from settling its way in.  
 
Also, you have chilled water so you can add as many boxes as you have heat exchangers and pump for.  The principle is the same as what server farms use to cool their racks of computers.  I thought about using the chilled water feed and teeing it off into a Cool Shirt so then I have chilled water circulating around my chest and don't need an AC in the summer, but I'd be mildly concerned about getting hypothermia :)
 
EDIT: When LinusTechTips was doing the series on whole-room watercooling (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8bLtg9J1Oc) I was facepalming myself like "nooooo dude that's not going to work".
 
EDIT EDIT: Oh and you don't even need to use chillers you can replace the chillers with regular radiators to relocate everything further away from your desktop, then you're no longer constrained by how much space you have in your case.  That's what Linus was going for with an array of air cooled radiators on his roof.


Now that is interesting
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Re: Can this be done with radiators? 2015/05/28 02:08:49 (permalink)
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I had a pump fail. I have a flow sensor on each loop (GPU and CPU/MB) connected to a channel of my fan controller. If the flow is not moving the alarm goes off. It pretty well covers the low water and pump failures as if it is not moving due to pump or no water it goes off. I forgot to open a valve after cleaning a filter (valves on either side of a filter so I can clean them without draining the loop) and the alarm got me to check. I keep the reservoirs pretty well filled so I can't see the water moving.


Got pics of your setup?


I was able to get pics up here this weekend. I was just delayed in posting due to the work backlog from the holiday.
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Re: Can this be done with radiators? 2015/05/28 07:08:18 (permalink)
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I had a pump fail. I have a flow sensor on each loop (GPU and CPU/MB) connected to a channel of my fan controller. If the flow is not moving the alarm goes off. It pretty well covers the low water and pump failures as if it is not moving due to pump or no water it goes off. I forgot to open a valve after cleaning a filter (valves on either side of a filter so I can clean them without draining the loop) and the alarm got me to check. I keep the reservoirs pretty well filled so I can't see the water moving.


Got pics of your setup?


I was able to get pics up here this weekend. I was just delayed in posting due to the work backlog from the holiday.



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