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Re: X79 Dark Fast boot 2015/05/26 06:47:53 (permalink)
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Here you go:
 The temps in the bios are not correct as you can see in the Windows screen shot they hover around 30 or below.


I have no idea, maybe its for 3930K only?


CSPlayer089 just posted it works on his 4820, so maybe something with the boot loader? What power supply  do you have?

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Re: X79 Dark Fast boot 2015/05/26 09:20:05 (permalink)
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How do you have your EIST, turbo and C state's as?
 
mine are like this. If you are using stepping then of course you will see your clocks varying in windows depending on the load of the CPU.



I have mine like that, Just with a x47 multiplier.
 
Check the app yourself. Looks fine in CPUZ on the cores, maybe its reading it wrong? I have no idea. This whole boot case seems to be weird and not how it's suppose to act.




Try using another tool.
 
I do notice a small flux in clock speed, very tiny about .5mhz but that is normal.
 
Also I recommend not using Eleet tune for the clock multiplier. Use manual mode.
I've never had a good experience using eleet. It always seems to be off or reading inaccurate sensor reporting.
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Re: X79 Dark Fast boot 2015/05/26 13:09:00 (permalink)
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Here you go:
 The temps in the bios are not correct as you can see in the Windows screen shot they hover around 30 or below.


I have no idea, maybe its for 3930K only?


CSPlayer089 just posted it works on his 4820, so maybe something with the boot loader? What power supply  do you have?


CSPlayer089 reported faster boot times, We don't know if they were affected by exactly the same issue tho.
 
But I'm using a Corsair HX1050 Revision 2 PSU.
 
Can't be the bootloader, Like I said I've tried Win 8.1 and Win10 [a few builds.] All wiping the SSD clean.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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How do you have your EIST, turbo and C state's as?
 
mine are like this. If you are using stepping then of course you will see your clocks varying in windows depending on the load of the CPU.



I have mine like that, Just with a x47 multiplier.
 
Check the app yourself. Looks fine in CPUZ on the cores, maybe its reading it wrong? I have no idea. This whole boot case seems to be weird and not how it's suppose to act.




Try using another tool.
 
I do notice a small flux in clock speed, very tiny about .5mhz but that is normal.
 
Also I recommend not using Eleet tune for the clock multiplier. Use manual mode.
I've never had a good experience using eleet. It always seems to be off or reading inaccurate sensor reporting.




I'll check it later. CPU-Z says its fine [other than the 0.5mhz bclk flux which I know is normal lol]
 
 


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Re: X79 Dark Fast boot 2015/05/26 15:56:21 (permalink)
The faster boot time was not very significant, but it is definitely noticeable. 

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Re: X79 Dark Fast boot 2015/05/26 22:28:46 (permalink)
If the Windows bootloader can't load for whatever reason, it goes immediately into the Bios screen. On a UEFI system with an SSD drive, this happens in the blink of an eye.  Have you tried it at stock settings? I've overclocked my system before as to where it would not load on startup. 

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Re: X79 Dark Fast boot 2015/05/27 03:47:38 (permalink)
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If the Windows bootloader can't load for whatever reason, it goes immediately into the Bios screen. On a UEFI system with an SSD drive, this happens in the blink of an eye.  Have you tried it at stock settings? I've overclocked my system before as to where it would not load on startup. 


It's not the bootloader man. If it was since it's setup a GPT partition, it wouldn't boot...at all. Plus if you review the thread. Dustin and I came to a similar thing. 1) If I use ELEET controlled multiplier option in bios, I could fast boot. Or B) If I used Dustin's method of disabling all boot devices. For some reason this works.


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Re: X79 Dark Fast boot 2015/05/27 06:54:23 (permalink)
If I used Dustin's method of disabling all boot devices. For some reason this works.
 
So think about what you just said, in other words it's trying to load anything but the bootlader. I'm not saying it's b a bad bootloader, i'm saying it's not finding it. I have all drives listed and it boots just fine. Try plugging the boot drive into the Marvel controller in AHCI mode and see if it makes a difference.

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Re: X79 Dark Fast boot 2015/05/27 07:38:53 (permalink)
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The faster boot time was not very significant, but it is definitely noticeable. 




I timed(with a stop watch) my boot to desktop from POST beep.Zero difference (5.7 seconds using both methods) between using Fast boot or disabling fast boot for me. This is using full UEFI boot settings, no legacy devices and  win8.1 on SSD in my case.
 
If you're using full UEFI settings with fast boot enabled, GPT partitions/EFI partions created for windows boot manager, then only use UEFI boot drive BBS priorities menu.
 
Legacy boot devices can be listed and configured in the boot manager menu.
post edited by dustingg - 2015/05/27 07:53:33

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Re: X79 Dark Fast boot 2015/05/27 11:47:39 (permalink)
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If I used Dustin's method of disabling all boot devices. For some reason this works.
 
So think about what you just said, in other words it's trying to load anything but the bootlader. I'm not saying it's b a bad bootloader, i'm saying it's not finding it. I have all drives listed and it boots just fine. Try plugging the boot drive into the Marvel controller in AHCI mode and see if it makes a difference.


I'm saying that makes zero sense. If it's not finding it, Than it wouldn't boot. If it works one way and not the other, It's not the hardware, it's the bios.

PS. If dustingg got the same problem, than it can't be the bootloader but yet the bios not using features correctly/not listing stuff correctly.
post edited by Warboy - 2015/05/27 11:52:29


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Re: X79 Dark Fast boot 2015/05/27 12:20:13 (permalink)
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If I used Dustin's method of disabling all boot devices. For some reason this works.
 
So think about what you just said, in other words it's trying to load anything but the bootlader. I'm not saying it's b a bad bootloader, i'm saying it's not finding it. I have all drives listed and it boots just fine. Try plugging the boot drive into the Marvel controller in AHCI mode and see if it makes a difference.


I'm saying that makes zero sense. If it's not finding it, Than it wouldn't boot. If it works one way and not the other, It's not the hardware, it's the bios.

PS. If dustingg got the same problem, than it can't be the bootloader but yet the bios not using features correctly/not listing stuff correctly.




 
I believe the "set boot priority" ladder is for legacy boot devices only, when using Fast boot /UEFI
 
The "UEFI boot drive BBS priorities" becomes the main boot menu for UEFI boot devices

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Re: X79 Dark Fast boot 2015/05/27 18:31:06 (permalink)
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If I used Dustin's method of disabling all boot devices. For some reason this works.
 
So think about what you just said, in other words it's trying to load anything but the bootlader. I'm not saying it's b a bad bootloader, i'm saying it's not finding it. I have all drives listed and it boots just fine. Try plugging the boot drive into the Marvel controller in AHCI mode and see if it makes a difference.


I'm saying that makes zero sense. If it's not finding it, Than it wouldn't boot. If it works one way and not the other, It's not the hardware, it's the bios.

PS. If dustingg got the same problem, than it can't be the bootloader but yet the bios not using features correctly/not listing stuff correctly.




 
I believe the "set boot priority" ladder is for legacy boot devices only, when using Fast boot /UEFI
 
The "UEFI boot drive BBS priorities" becomes the main boot menu for UEFI boot devices


Than shouldn't it become disabled after CSM is disabled?




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Re: X79 Dark Fast boot 2015/05/28 06:58:39 (permalink)
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If I used Dustin's method of disabling all boot devices. For some reason this works.
 
So think about what you just said, in other words it's trying to load anything but the bootlader. I'm not saying it's b a bad bootloader, i'm saying it's not finding it. I have all drives listed and it boots just fine. Try plugging the boot drive into the Marvel controller in AHCI mode and see if it makes a difference.


I'm saying that makes zero sense. If it's not finding it, Than it wouldn't boot. If it works one way and not the other, It's not the hardware, it's the bios.

PS. If dustingg got the same problem, than it can't be the bootloader but yet the bios not using features correctly/not listing stuff correctly.


 
I believe the "set boot priority" ladder is for legacy boot devices only, when using Fast boot /UEFI
 
The "UEFI boot drive BBS priorities" becomes the main boot menu for UEFI boot devices


Than shouldn't it become disabled after CSM is disabled?






Mmm not sure but I think it allows alternative boot options if UEFI boot is aborted or not working. Maybe like a redundancy.

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Re: X79 Dark Fast boot 2015/05/28 12:00:37 (permalink)
No that menu is still operational so you can boot from alternate sources like a USB drive. CSM disabled does not change it. It just kills any Legacy boot drivers.
 
If I get a change tonight I will time the system with Fast Boot on and off.
 
So I made changes and booted into Windows, let everything load, then restart. Started timer as soon as I saw the X79 splash screen, then stopped it when I saw my Windows background photo and the mouse cursor.
 
15 seconds with Fast Boot on.
18 seconds with Fast Boot off.
 
More interesting is the fact it took twice as long to shut down with Fast Boot off. 
post edited by MhzManiac - 2015/05/29 06:56:23

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Re: X79 Dark Fast boot 2015/05/29 07:14:47 (permalink)
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No that menu is still operational so you can boot from alternate sources like a USB drive. CSM disabled does not change it. It just kills any Legacy boot drivers.
 
If I get a change tonight I will time the system with Fast Boot on and off.
 
So I made changes and booted into Windows, let everything load, then restart. Started timer as soon as I saw the X79 splash screen, then stopped it when I saw my Windows background photo and the mouse cursor.
 
15 seconds with Fast Boot on.
18 seconds with Fast Boot off.
 
More interesting is the fact it took twice as long to shut down with Fast Boot off. 


what kind of boot devices do you have connected? That seem's like a really long boot time. How many SSD's or HD's if any? Optical drive?
post edited by dustingg - 2015/05/29 10:55:17

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Re: X79 Dark Fast boot 2015/05/29 18:21:41 (permalink)
There are 3 ssd's and a platter drive as well as an UEFI supported Samsung optical. If it's dragging its the WD platter which was a backup in case I had to go back to Windows 8. I could remove it since I'm not using it and see what happens.
 
I guess that was it, as it shaved the time down to 9 seconds with the Platter drive disconnected.
 
How much of a turtle do I have? Maybe some others can post boot times after a restart from X79 splash screen to Windows background wallpaper with operational mouse?
post edited by MhzManiac - 2015/05/29 22:51:06

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Re: X79 Dark Fast boot 2015/05/30 09:59:38 (permalink)
Oh I see. Yah that optical drive most def is slowing your boot process. The more HD and other boot devices listed in the ladder will increase boot time for sure. both my rigs from POST beep or splash screen to desktop is 5.7seconds with only 2 SSD's connected and only one of them being the windows boot manager.

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Re: X79 Dark Fast boot 2015/05/30 12:38:18 (permalink)
Thanks for posting your boot time. I think 3 more seconds to keep my DVD active will be Okay with me.

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