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2015/05/01 16:24:43 (permalink)
Last year I built a "Hackintosh" Mini-ITX computer containing a Gigabyte GA-H87-WIFI motherboard and an Intel Core i7-4770K quad-core CPU. The power supply in this computer is rated at 180 watts. The 4770K CPU contains on-board Intel HD4600 graphics. If I run this configuration on the Unigine "Heaven" benchmark, it returns a result of 12.4 frames per second. If I install my EVGA GT610 graphics card in the PCIe 3.0 slot and run the computer with it, "Heaven" returns only 4.5 frames per second.
 
Is this normal? I am constrained to use the GT610 because of the maximum length allowed of a graphics card in this small case. According to the "eXtreme Power Supply Calculator," with the graphics card in, the minimum power required is 181 watts. With it out, the minimum power required is 159 watts.
Other details: 16 GB Kingston RAM, Samsung 840 EVO 250 GB SSD, running Mac OS X 10.10.3 "Yosemite," Gigabyte BIOS version F8.
 
What am I missing? Is the driver supplied with the card not adequate for this card in this computer? Is the HD4600 just that much faster than the GT610? or what?
 
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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/02 04:43:51 (permalink)
    If you're looking to get any sort of 3D performance, the 610 isn't the card for that. According to some benchmarks, the HD4600 scores nearly twice what the GT610 can.
     
    You should be able to fit a GTX650 in the same space as a 610. That will give much better performance.
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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/02 05:50:42 (permalink)
    wstrohm? Is the HD4600 just that much faster than the GT610? or what?



    Yes!. Much!.

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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/02 09:48:29 (permalink)
    "You should be able to fit a GTX650 in the same space as a 610. That will give much better performance."
     
    Better performance, yes. Fit, yes. But power requirement, no. EVGA says 400 watts minimum, and my power supply is only 180 watts. The "eXtreme Power Supply Calculator" says I need 166 watts minimum, 216 watts recommended for my exact configuration. So since I have 180 watts, should I go by that and buy a GTX 650, or forget it based on EVGA's requirement? And if I do get a GTX650, what kind of performance improvement should I expect?
     
     
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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/02 09:53:48 (permalink)
    wstrohm
    "You should be able to fit a GTX650 in the same space as a 610. That will give much better performance."
     
    Better performance, yes. Fit, yes. But power requirement, no. EVGA says 400 watts minimum, and my power supply is only 180 watts. The "eXtreme Power Supply Calculator" says I need 166 watts minimum, 216 watts recommended for my exact configuration. So since I have 180 watts, should I go by that and buy a GTX 650, or forget it based on EVGA's requirement? And if I do get a GTX650, what kind of performance improvement should I expect?
     

    Why not get a new Power Supply?
    EVGA SuperNOVA 550 GS Power Supply and even has the ECO Mode for Less Than $90.
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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/02 10:52:28 (permalink)
    "Why not get a new Power Supply?"  Dimensions of your linked supply are 86mm (3.39") x 150 mm (5.9") x 150 mm. Although relatively small for a power supply, 540 watts is major overkill, and also would not fit inside the Mini-ITX case.
    http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00001941
     
    This is a simple choice: Believe EVGA and do not install a GTX650, or believe the eXtreme Power Supply Calculator website and install the GTX650.
    post edited by wstrohm - 2015/05/02 10:57:33

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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/02 10:56:12 (permalink)
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    "Why not get a new Power Supply?"  Dimensions of your linked supply are 86mm (3.39") x 150 mm (5.9") x 150 mm. Although relatively small for a power supply, 540 watts is major overkill, and also would not fit inside the Mini-ITX case.
     
    This is a simple choice: Believe EVGA and do not install a GTX650, or believe the eXtreme Power Supply Calculator website and install the GTX650.


    Sorry your link is not working, I would then use the HD4600 Video.

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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/02 10:57:49 (permalink)
    Please try the edited link, thanks!

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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/02 11:12:07 (permalink)
    Built  in 180W PSU, this is small for sure.
    I would pick the biggest GPU you can find that has No Power Connector on it.
    Off Hand I cannot find a single that uses less than 300 Watts.
    Even the GT610 needs 300 Watts
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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/02 11:19:46 (permalink)
    "Built  in 180W PSU"  ... um, yes, as I wrote in my original post. And the eXtreme Power Calculator returned results as I attached in my 2nd post. So the question is, is the power supply in the SD101 adequate for the EVGA GTX650 or not? As you can see from the image, it says a minimum of 166 watts is required if I add the GTX650 (for my computer, which runs the equipment I described in my original post), and I have 180 watts. But EVGA says the GTX650 requires a 400 watt supply. Is the GTX650 worth a shot in my system or not? An easier, if nasty, question is: Who's lying?
     
    [Edit: In regards to your last message, I have had the GT610 in my computer, and it works using the DVI output on my 1280 x 1024 monitor. I have seen no problems, and according to the eXtreme Power Calculator, for that configuration I need a minimum of 155 watts (even though EVGA says 300 watts). My problem is that the GT610 only returns a result on "Heaven" of 4.5 fps.]
    post edited by wstrohm - 2015/05/02 11:30:59

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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/02 12:01:08 (permalink)
    "An easier, if nasty, question is: Who's lying?"
    I would say that they are EVGA Cards so EVGA is not lying that is the specifications come from EVGA and Not From eXtreme.
    The eXtreme Power Calculator is just that eXtreme.
    4.5 fps is not so bad as it is not really a Gamming Card.
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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/02 15:40:19 (permalink)
    OK, I appreciate your inputs; thanks for answering!
     
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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/02 16:01:30 (permalink)
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    OK, I appreciate your inputs; thanks for answering!
     
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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/02 22:05:14 (permalink)
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    4.5 fps is not so bad as it is not really a Gamming Card.




    It is, compared to the measly Intel IGPU.

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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/02 22:58:45 (permalink)
    I always though of the X10 and X20 cards to be for systems that need something to attach a monitor and don't have intergrated graphics of any kind.
     
    As for power usage, it can depend on a number of factors, such as the rest of your system, and quality of power supply (and if the rating is peak or continuous)
     
    In any case I'd recommend getting a beefer Power supply, you have a number of very good parts there, but the power supply is minimal all things considered along with a GTX 650 or better, as the 4770k is a pretty good CPU, it "needs" (sort of) other parts around it that are of roughly equal power, lest you be driving a $1000 car with $800 wheels.
     
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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/02 23:00:01 (permalink)
    Thanks for linking the specs of the case. That makes things much easier. I agree with bcavnaugh, you should really forgo adding in a discrete card and just use the onboard Intel GPU, unless you're planning on getting a bigger case.
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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/03 06:09:27 (permalink)
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    I always though of the X10 and X20 cards to be for systems that need something to attach a monitor and don't have intergrated graphics of any kind.
     
    As for power usage, it can depend on a number of factors, such as the rest of your system, and quality of power supply (and if the rating is peak or continuous)
     
    In any case I'd recommend getting a beefer Power supply, you have a number of very good parts there, but the power supply is minimal all things considered along with a GTX 650 or better, as the 4770k is a pretty good CPU, it "needs" (sort of) other parts around it that are of roughly equal power, lest you be driving a $1000 car with $800 wheels.
     
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    The OP has a Mini Computer Case with a Built in PSU and it cannot be upgraded.
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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/03 10:26:24 (permalink)
    @bcavanaugh,
     
    You have been very helpful, and it is much appreciated. However... I discovered another EVGA product newly added to Amazon, which is the nVidia GeForce GT740. This is a low-profile (has to be), 6" long (has to be <6.77") relatively low-power (~60 watt) graphics card that just might work in my system if the bronze-rated Thermaltake 180 watt power supply can handle it. According to the eXtreme Power Calculator, for my particular setup the minimum power requirement with this card is 181 watts. Hairy to be sure, but anyway I am looking to improve my "Heaven" benchmark to above the 12.4 fps with the on-board Intel HD4600, so I am going to try it. I'll report back here with the results, good or bad. If bad, I've lost time and $108. If good, I'll leave it in and see what happens. I've downloaded and installed the nVidia CUDA driver for Mac v 7.0.36, which is the latest. Hope that works on Mac OS X 10.10.3... that might actually be the worst problem.
     
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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/03 11:06:57 (permalink)
    Yes, http://www.evga.com/Products/ProductList.aspx?type=0&family=GeForce+700+Series+Family most all will work or should work in your computer. Do you carry around your computer or is it stationary? All you can really do is test and if it work it works.
    EVGA GeForce GT 740 2GB or EVGA GeForce GT 740 4GB Superclocked (Single Slot) look good. Both are also in stock on Amazon.
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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/03 12:06:54 (permalink)
    Stationary. It's my primary desktop since 2014; Apple went with Intel in 2006. My PowerPC G5 tower is now my backup for old games, etc. I have to use the particular GT740 (http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=02G-P4-3740-KR), not the FTW or SC since both are either a lot larger and will not fit, or else consume too much power. This Mini-ITX slips under my computer desk shelf below my monitor, and is very quiet (so far).
     
    FWIW, its single-core score on Geekbench 3 is 4012, and quad-core score is 15848. That is quite fast compared to off-the-shelf quad-core Macs, but I want a higher fps from Heaven if possible. Basically I am just experimenting (with hope).
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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/04 16:27:35 (permalink)
    Installed the GT740 today. Found the required nVidia driver for the Mac and installed it. Using the GT740, I now get the following result on the Heaven benchmark. Very happy here! (Remember, the Intel HD4600 on-board graphics resulted in 12.4 fps.) Ran the "Intel Power Gadget" and the CPU load is less than 20 watts.
     
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    post edited by wstrohm - 2015/05/04 17:04:27

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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/05 03:28:34 (permalink)
    Well that was pretty clear. 740 is better than GT 610 and Intel's offering.
     
    Then again you haven't shown us the results of HD 4600. Only words.

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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/05 10:12:40 (permalink)
    Fine, Fettle, here are the older results FYI.
     
    GT 610: left pic; Integrated Graphics HD4600 middle pic; GT 740 right pic.
     
     
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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/05 10:22:25 (permalink)
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    Fine, Fettle, here are the older results FYI.
     
    GT 610:
     





    I see nothing.

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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/05 10:29:10 (permalink)
    Look again.

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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/05 10:48:21 (permalink)
    wstrohm
    Look again.




    Thank you.
     
    What is platform and why did it kept changing?.
     
    Why is GT 740 shown as Nvidia chip 256mB?.

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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/05 11:06:18 (permalink)
    wstrohm
    Installed the GT740 today. Found the required nVidia driver for the Mac and installed it. Using the GT740, I now get the following result on the Heaven benchmark. Very happy here! (Remember, the Intel HD4600 on-board graphics resulted in 12.4 fps.) Ran the "Intel Power Gadget" and the CPU load is less than 20 watts.
     
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    I would disable the Intergraded Video in you Bios to one save on Power and two to release the memory.
    Also if your Bios has a Multi GPU settings Disable it.
    That is a Nice Card, glad you are working well now. 
     
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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/05 11:11:49 (permalink)
    Fettle
    Well that was pretty clear. 740 is better than GT 610 and Intel's offering.
     
    Then again you haven't shown us the results of HD 4600. Only words.


    You seem to be a little rude here Fettle. This is not helping anyone.

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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/05 12:35:08 (permalink)
    bcavnaugh
    Fettle
    Well that was pretty clear. 740 is better than GT 610 and Intel's offering.
     
    Then again you haven't shown us the results of HD 4600. Only words.


    You seem to be a little rude here Fettle. This is not helping anyone.




    Use the report button.
     

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    Re: EVGA nVidia GT610 Graphics Performance? 2015/05/05 12:59:09 (permalink)
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    bcavnaugh
    Fettle
    Well that was pretty clear. 740 is better than GT 610 and Intel's offering.
     
    Then again you haven't shown us the results of HD 4600. Only words.


    You seem to be a little rude here Fettle. This is not helping anyone.




    Use the report button.
     


    That is ok I will just Block You.

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