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Re: EVGA Hadron Air Really loud PSU fan, even when in desktop with very little load 2014/07/10 07:04:53 (permalink)
Can anybody else report if this is the same little Delta 7000RPM fan that we all had blowing on our overclocked athlons 14 years ago? Looks like it to me. I've had one, and I remember the high pitched whine at full blast.
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Re: EVGA Hadron Air Really loud PSU fan, even when in desktop with very little load 2014/07/10 10:35:24 (permalink)
The fan on my Air and Hydro are both Delta's FFB0412VHN, 9500rpm (they never go near 9500 except at boot).  Could be that more than one model is used though.
 
EVGA are earning top marks for the RMA process so far :-)
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Re: EVGA Hadron Air Really loud PSU fan, even when in desktop with very little load 2014/08/07 02:13:54 (permalink)
for those who havent RMA'd and wondering whether replacing the fan is an option I've posted my fix at /FindPost/2201208
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Re: EVGA Hadron Air Really loud PSU fan, even when in desktop with very little load 2014/12/31 23:53:37 (permalink)
Same issue with the terribly loud psu fan. Rather than RMA the case and get another dud I bought a few spare fans.
 
 

 
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Re: EVGA Hadron Air Really loud PSU fan, even when in desktop with very little load 2015/01/07 19:29:12 (permalink)
Hi everyone,
 
I recently replaced the 40x28mm fan in the Hadron Air PSU.  I used:
- 1 scythe mini kaze 40x10mm (~4.8CFM)
- 1 scythe mini kaze 40x20mm (~5.1CFM)
I put the  20mm closer to the back of the computer
 
My system:
Gigabyte GA-z97n-wifi
4790k (No overclock)
2x 8gb 1600mhz ram
1x 2tb hdd, 2x 240gb ssds
msi gtx 970
 
At first it was an amazing mod.  The PSU was basically silent.  I was so happy. Then I plugged in my MSI GTX 970 (148 watts tdp) and began playing a game (Far Cry 4).  My temperatures were amazing... And then my fps dropped to 25-30 (from a solid 50 /w vertical sync).  This wasn't a case of a random demanding scene, my fps were not coming back...lol. I was confused, and I immediately suspected the PSU.  I put my hand behind the PSU, and my fears became true, the air was pretty damn hot... My gpu temps were excellent (like 65c).
 
I closed out of Far Cry 4, and I let my computer chill for 5 minutes on my desktop...still hot air.  I decided "Ah WTH, I'll try another game". I opened The Crew, and I got a blue screen... Remember this is just my experience, I'm interested if anyone else has successful had long gaming sessions with smaller fans in their psu.
 
Now I can't say I know 100% that the fan mod was the culprit, but I'm ~90% confident.  I think that my voltages dropped severely due to the heat issues.  I still haven't found an exact match for the original fan online.  I've found 2 extremely close model numbers, so my educated guess is the stock fan puts out between 15.8-24cfm, I'm leaning towards 15.8. Those fans operate at 45dBa and 51dBa, respectively.  This u1 sized PSU (the stock hadron) has a super inefficient fan... I mean a normal psu has a what, 70-120mm fan?
 
The best alternative I can find is a Sunon GM1204PQV1-8A.  It "supposedly" moves 17cfm and operates at 36.5dBA. It's coming in the mail. I'm going to clean and oil it before I install it.  I now think EVGA wouldn't put in a loud ass fan that moves 15.8CFM, if it wasn't required to keep the psu cool. Maybe you can get away with 12cfm, but buying 2 noctua fans that move 4cfm and taping them together most likely won't support a strong graphics card.  I am currently using my computer with the 2 small fans and just my integrated gpu. Both my PSU, and the air behind it, are ice cold.  This makes sense to me because my last EVGA 80 plus gold PSU (Supernova) turned the fan off until it was needed.
 
My recommendations if you want to do something about the noise, is open the fan and drop some singers sewing oil in (google how to do this).  Or buy a different fan (what I did).  I personally don't believe stacking fans yields much benefit when you are exhausting hot air out of the case.  I think they are more effective at cooling intake air as it travels through the tunnel.  I'm going to be honest I didn't read the whole forum before I typed this, so sorry if this is repetitive, but I think my experiences could be useful for someone.
 
EDIT- I also want to add that I bought an infrared thermometer gun, so I can get some idea of the temperature of the air coming out of the psu (there's no program or sensor to see this).  I should hopefully have some good info in a few days.
post edited by thejuicegoose2 - 2015/01/07 19:39:41
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Re: EVGA Hadron Air Really loud PSU fan, even when in desktop with very little load 2015/01/09 17:51:55 (permalink)
Just buy a few replacements. EVGA used the cheapest crappiest fan they could find. They are loud as the quality is poor. Plenty on ebay, alibaba or through various electronics retailers. 
 
Its a pity as it ruined an otherwise good case. At the price they retail the Hadron for its unforgivable and profit mongering. I am onto my 3rd fan. There are many many better fans - see the rang at rs-online for better bearing style fans. Silent and push more air.
 
As I live in Australia I am not about to send the PSU to Taiwan directly (which is their return policy) - thats some poor service there.
 
I asked if I could buy spare fans from them and was advised no.
 
Try     Digikey dot com     they have the FFB0412VHN fans 
Otherwise lots of alternatives at     rs-online dot com
 
Search for a fan around:
Specs:
 
Dimensions: 40mm x 40mm x 28mm
 
Bearing: Ball
 
RPM: 9,500 RPM
 
Airflow: 15.79 CFM
 
Noise Level: 45 dBA
 
Power Connector: 3 Pin
 
Rated Voltage: 12 VDC
Operating Voltage: 4.5 - 13.8 V
Input Current:  0.16 Amp (0.24 Amp max)
 
Input Power:  1.92 W
Max Air Pressure:   12.94 mmH20
Features: RPM Sensor
Edit - I had links to heaps more but the forums deleted them
 
I went same brand replacements but this looks good
 
s-online /web/p/axial-fans/4924354/
DC Axial Fan, 40 x 40 x 28mm, 28.3m/h, 3.72W, 12 V dc (CeraDyna Series)
Air Flow 28.3m³/h
Bearing Type CeraDyna C
Depth 28mm
Dimensions 40 x 40 x 28mm
Fan Speed 9000rpm
Height 40mm
Maximum Current 310mA
Noise Level 41dB
Power Consumption 3.72W
Series CeraDyna
Supply Voltage 12 V dc
Width 40mm
post edited by series6 - 2015/01/09 18:30:46
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Re: EVGA Hadron Air Really loud PSU fan, even when in desktop with very little load 2015/02/09 10:40:35 (permalink)
Sounds like a solid recommendation. Have you replaced the fan yet? If so, how are the results? 

series6
Just buy a few replacements. EVGA used the cheapest crappiest fan they could find. They are loud as the quality is poor. Plenty on ebay, alibaba or through various electronics retailers. 
 
Its a pity as it ruined an otherwise good case. At the price they retail the Hadron for its unforgivable and profit mongering. I am onto my 3rd fan. There are many many better fans - see the rang at rs-online for better bearing style fans. Silent and push more air.
 
As I live in Australia I am not about to send the PSU to Taiwan directly (which is their return policy) - thats some poor service there.
 
I asked if I could buy spare fans from them and was advised no.
 
Try     Digikey dot com     they have the FFB0412VHN fans 
Otherwise lots of alternatives at     rs-online dot com
 
Search for a fan around:
Specs:
 
Dimensions: 40mm x 40mm x 28mm
 
Bearing: Ball
 
RPM: 9,500 RPM
 
Airflow: 15.79 CFM
 
Noise Level: 45 dBA
 
Power Connector: 3 Pin
 
Rated Voltage: 12 VDC
Operating Voltage: 4.5 - 13.8 V
Input Current:  0.16 Amp (0.24 Amp max)
 
Input Power:  1.92 W
Max Air Pressure:   12.94 mmH20
Features: RPM Sensor
Edit - I had links to heaps more but the forums deleted them
 
I went same brand replacements but this looks good
 
s-online /web/p/axial-fans/4924354/
DC Axial Fan, 40 x 40 x 28mm, 28.3m/h, 3.72W, 12 V dc (CeraDyna Series)
Air Flow 28.3m³/h
Bearing Type CeraDyna C
Depth 28mm
Dimensions 40 x 40 x 28mm
Fan Speed 9000rpm
Height 40mm
Maximum Current 310mA
Noise Level 41dB
Power Consumption 3.72W
Series CeraDyna
Supply Voltage 12 V dc
Width 40mm




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Re: EVGA Hadron Air Really loud PSU fan, even when in desktop with very little load 2015/02/11 01:15:33 (permalink)
HI,
 
I replaced it with the CeraDyna Series from rs-online per the bottom of my post after going through about a half dozen of the stock branded FFB0412VHN fans - all of which have been quiet at first but then gotten louder.
 
I regret buying the Hadron Air Case due to all the psu fan issues and would suggest anyone reading this to not bother buying the Hadron cases and buy a case than you can swap and change the psu, and though a company that sells spare parts readily and has a better returns policy.
 
For those stuck with this crappy psu try rs-online com for alternative fans or buy a few FFB0412VHN fans and hope you get a good one that stays good.
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Re: EVGA Hadron Air Really loud PSU fan, even when in desktop with very little load 2015/02/11 22:16:27 (permalink)
Have you considered adding a 40mm fan to the front grill of the PSU? I would imagine that if you configure it as intake, it will help bring in cool air into the PSU and lighten the load for the exhaust fan. 
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Re: EVGA Hadron Air Really loud PSU fan, even when in desktop with very little load 2015/02/12 00:35:32 (permalink)
Hi Cookieman,
 
I run the CPU on a Novtua C14 with custom twin fan cooling and the GTX970 on a full cover liquid cooling on a thin dual core copper and brass radiator. The internal temps are ultra low - even for my enviro conditions (tropical Queensland).
 
Next mod will be to scrap the ****ty PSU and run a water loop for the CPU and GPU and I have got a copper radiator from a car parts specialist that Im modifying to fit on at the top of the case radiating the heat up. 
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Re: EVGA Hadron Air Really loud PSU fan, even when in desktop with very little load 2015/03/09 05:25:12 (permalink)
Mine was intolerable, which frankly is a problem with all 40mm fans that spin at high speed. I wanted to replace the stock fan but wasn't comfortable with the reduced airflow so I replaced the stock fans with 2 fans in a push-pull arrangement. One pulling into the PSU and zip-tied to the front of the PSU and the other replacing the stock fan. I used the Evercool 40mm fan EC4007M12CA. They're $6 a pop. The Noctua is 20.
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Re: EVGA Hadron Air Really loud PSU fan, even when in desktop with very little load 2015/03/13 15:41:02 (permalink)
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Mine was intolerable, which frankly is a problem with all 40mm fans that spin at high speed. I wanted to replace the stock fan but wasn't comfortable with the reduced airflow so I replaced the stock fans with 2 fans in a push-pull arrangement. One pulling into the PSU and zip-tied to the front of the PSU and the other replacing the stock fan. I used the Evercool 40mm fan EC4007M12CA. They're $6 a pop. The Noctua is 20.




How has this affected the airflow? I've recently got this case myself and am wondering how adding the extra fan on the front of the psu cage affects stability and the sound.
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Re: EVGA Hadron Air Really loud PSU fan, even when in desktop with very little load 2015/04/01 13:10:26 (permalink)
I honestly don't know. I haven't taken the time to measure temps or airflow. I kind of just decided that it will have to be good enough, and if the PSU dies before I'm ready to give up this case I can always replace it if it doesn't take out a motherboard along with it.
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Re: EVGA Hadron Air Really loud PSU fan, even when in desktop with very little load 2015/05/03 13:09:10 (permalink)
under load, my PSU is the loudest hottest thing on my machine - its like a hurricane coming out of the back of it - compared to my CPU/case/GPU fans which are all on smart power settings. My CPU barely gets to 60% fan speed when playing Hardline same with my GPU fan it barely does anything but the PSU fan is like 200%.  Is this the issue ?  Does EVGA do anything if you call them - like replace it with a new model PSU or something like that?  Or should I just resign to the fact that im gonna eat the cost of the case and the slimline dvd drive and find new mini case?

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Re: EVGA Hadron Air Really loud PSU fan, even when in desktop with very little load 2015/05/04 07:44:56 (permalink)
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Or should I just resign to the fact that im gonna eat the cost of the case and the slimline dvd drive and find new mini case?



That's been the consensus so far. The amount of noise the PSU outputs bothers people differently. Some hate it, some don't mind it, some just drown it out with well placed speakers or headphones. The latter IMO being an unacceptable alternative. I've read and seen video reports of people using machine oil to lube the fan (voiding warranty), or just simply sending it to EVGA to get a replacement with claims that it fixed their issue and that the PSU is quieter now. Then again, quiet to one person, may be too loud for the next.
 
Only surefire way to fix the issue is to either mod the Hadron to make room for a SFX PSU like some others have done or do like you said, eat the cost of case + slimdrive and checkout different cases that perhaps use ATX of SFX PSUs that are quieter.  had a great list of mitx and matx cases for 2015, I especially like the the Ncase M1, and the Inwin H-Frame Mini if only it could fit a full size gpu. lol
 
Personally, I've gotten used to the PSU noise. I stopped playing a particular game that was causing my Hadron to sound like a jet taking off in my office (World of Warcraft on ultra settings at 1440p) and really only play GTA5 at mid-high settings at 1440p and my system is surprisingly quieter than it was before.
 
 
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Re: EVGA Hadron Air Really loud PSU fan, even when in desktop with very little load 2015/05/04 09:32:13 (permalink)
yea that sucks - the whole reason why i bought the case was because i was looking for something quiet and low key not a full tower beast. but thats what the hadron air sounds likes, a full case beast. I will try evga support before i void my warranty or buy maybe a corsair 250 even though i hate how that thing looks. 

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Re: EVGA Hadron Air Really loud PSU fan, even when in desktop with very little load 2015/05/04 10:08:45 (permalink)
Yup, felt the exact same way. 
I think I'm still in the denial phase because I love the look of the case.
 

 
 
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Re: EVGA Hadron Air Really loud PSU fan, even when in desktop with very little load 2015/05/04 10:58:18 (permalink)
LOL exactly 

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Re: EVGA Hadron Air Really loud PSU fan, even when in desktop with very little load 2015/05/11 13:10:54 (permalink)
im certain that the the problem is having a non-blower graphic card.  having the power supply that close to the graphics card is bad design imo.  having a graphic card with a rear exhaust blower should be an absolute necessity for this case.  now i am faced with the situation of either buying a new card or a new case and power supply.  

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Re: EVGA Hadron Air Really loud PSU fan, even when in desktop with very little load 2018/04/02 08:40:44 (permalink)
I have 2 old small form Factor pc ( ibuypower Revolt and digital storm bolt) and they both use same model PSU FSP GROUP 500 Watt 80+ Gold certified which is a SFX PSU that is flat and looks exactly like the EVGA HADRON PSU, with only one 30 mm  I belive exhaust fan, but the bolt has a blower intake add on fan pointed towards the psu intake to help keep it cool, checked online and I found same PSU with extra intake fan built in at it's other end, also these PSUs seem to be relatively cheaply made and both - on top of the revving small fan- have such annoying coil whine and I am about to hot glue some of their inside coils and it seems to have worked  for some users.
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